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Posted on 2/3/22 at 9:34 am to AUCE05
Posted on 2/3/22 at 9:34 am to AUCE05
All three of those schools hired coaches who have extensive experience recruiting the SE. But the relationships excuse is out the window with this class. The staff has to show they can pull the necessary talent, especially with an in-state class that is so stacked.
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Posted on 2/3/22 at 9:35 am to AUCE05
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We just got our arse beat in recruiting by OU, UF and Miami. All with new coaches. So the "needs time to develop relationships" excuse needs to DIAF.
What exactly is it about every coach at those schools recruiting in the Southeast and beyond over the past decade plus do people not understand?
Venables was at Oklahoma from '99 to 2011, then at Clemson until last year and now back at Oklahoma. That's 20+ years of having those relationships already.
Napier started coaching at Clemson in 2006 and has only coached outside the southeast 2 years since then. That's 14 years in and around the southeast with one year stints at Colorado St and Az St.
Cristobal started coaching at Rutgers in 03 and stayed through 05, but with the exception of his time just recently at Oregon has been at Miami, FIU and Alabama for 13 total years and is now back at home.
Everyone is in agreement that Harsin and co absolutely have to step it up this year, but don't act like these coaches that you're talking about haven't been in and around developing these relationships for years and years. And it's not just players, but they know the coaches and the network already and have known them for years. It's just absolutely ignorant to act like it's a remotely apt comparison to Harsin.
This post was edited on 2/3/22 at 9:38 am
Posted on 2/3/22 at 9:41 am to CharlieTiger
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What exactly is it about every coach at those schools recruiting in the Southeast and beyond over the past decade plus do people not understand?
Venables was at Oklahoma from '99 to 2011, then at Clemson until last year and now back at Oklahoma. That's 20+ years of having those relationships already.
Napier started coaching at Clemson in 2006 and has only coached outside the southeast 2 years since then. That's 14 years in and around the southeast with one year stints at Colorado St and Az St.
Cristobal started coaching at Rutgers in 03 and stayed through 05, but with the exception of his time just recently at Oregon has been at Miami, FIU and Alabama for 13 total years and is now back at home.
Everyone is in agreement that Harsin and co absolutely have to step it up this year, but don't act like these coaches that you're talking about haven't been in and around developing these relationships for years and years. And it's not just players, but they know the coaches and the network already and have known them for years. It's just absolutely ignorant to act like it's a remotely apt comparison to Harsin.
Posted on 2/3/22 at 9:44 am to CharlieTiger
Keep making excuses. Cristobal came in late from across the coubtry and stole a kid out of LA that we wanted. Venables had no in roads to the current TX HS network and went against TAMU and UT who are killing it.
Posted on 2/3/22 at 9:57 am to AUCE05
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Keep making excuses. Cristobal came in late from across the coubtry and stole a kid out of LA that we wanted. Venables had no in roads to the current TX HS network and went against TAMU and UT who are killing it.
Not making excuses. I said our staff has to step it up this year, but to act like these guys who are very well known and have been around recruiting these areas for as long as most of these kids have been alive isn't a difference maker, you're trying to convince yourself of that.
Cristobal was pulling kids from the southeast to Oregon already. They have kids from all over the south on their roster. We got three transfers from them that were from Alabama. You don't think he had already been recruiting Citizen?
I guess Venables coaching at Oklahoma for 12 years accounts for nothing. Sure, high school coaches change, but the networks of coaches in those areas run deep. And it's not as if Oklahoma hasn't been in the championship hunt every year for the past decade plus. That carries a lot of weight.
Again, if Harsin and co don't make it happen this year, I think he's likely looking for a new job after this year or next at the very latest, but you're examples are of very well established coaches that have been recruiting the southeast for years.
If one of these guys was a first year coach out of Fresno St and was doing that, that's one thing, but that's ain't the case here.
This post was edited on 2/3/22 at 9:58 am
Posted on 2/3/22 at 10:13 am to AuSteeler
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Fla and OU hired more experienced well know HCs.
Napier has been a head coach for 4 years at ULL and Venables has never held an HC job so in that regard neither of them are more experienced than Harsin who has been an HC at 3 different programs now since 2013.
Posted on 2/3/22 at 11:51 am to CharlieTiger
So today stops the bull shite excuses of it takes time to build relationships?
Or is all Harsin’s screw ups with the staff gonna be like just starting over on year 1 because of so much turnover. What’s the excuse gonna be now?
Or is all Harsin’s screw ups with the staff gonna be like just starting over on year 1 because of so much turnover. What’s the excuse gonna be now?
Posted on 2/3/22 at 12:49 pm to CorchJay
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So today stops the bull shite excuses of it takes time to build relationships?
Or is all Harsin’s screw ups with the staff gonna be like just starting over on year 1 because of so much turnover. What’s the excuse gonna be now?
There are no excuses going forward. He's been in the job for a little over a year. That should be enough time to get a pretty good foothold and start cultivating those relationships he'll need to make. It's not as black and white as you're making it out to be. We'll need to show improvement on the field too. He's certainly got an uphill battle in front of him with the player losses we've had.
I get the frustration, but when you have a pretty unknown coach come from Boise and compete against well known coaches that have been recruiting the southeast for well over a decade, I'm not sure how anyone expects him to be very successful immediately.
The state is loaded for 2023. If he can't get it done in year 2, it's time to find someone who can. The biggest selling point now is playing time. If he can't be successful with high school kids and transfers, then it's just not going to happen.
I'm not trying to defend the guy. He has to show he can get it done. He hasn't really done that yet. There were a few wins in this recent class, but not enough to get us where we need to be. I just don't think it's a remotely fair comparison putting him up against guys that have been doing it here for years.
Posted on 2/3/22 at 1:35 pm to CharlieTiger
Like I asked just wanted to define where the rubber meets the road and it’s my understanding everyone gave him a free pass this year. No results must be in the positive especially in recruiting. Just wondering when melting is acceptable.
Posted on 2/3/22 at 1:47 pm to AUCE05
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Keep making excuses. Cristobal came in late from across the coubtry and stole a kid out of LA that we wanted. Venables had no in roads to the current TX HS network and went against TAMU and UT who are killing it.
Give me a break. Miami finished like 3 spots ahead of us.
And their coach has a much bigger resume and success in his history.
A lot of teams fizzled down the stretch including FL, and all the hype their new coach brought in....
Posted on 2/3/22 at 1:50 pm to AuSteeler
Where was our new coach excitement last cycle?
Posted on 2/3/22 at 2:26 pm to AuSteeler
It was never unreasonable to suggest relationships were hurting recruiting. Especially when the ‘22 recruits largely talked about needing to build relationships with the staff during the summer and fall visits. But then the season unfolds, results are in, coaches are fired, and so on.
You also can’t paint the whole class with a broad brush. Not every recruitment was about relationships. Some were about opportunity. Some NIL. Some about their friends, draft picks, success on the field, talented rooms, and so on.
Most recruits had a combination of those things. Folks that want to say relationships don’t matter or that it’s all that matters or reference a single recruitment as proof are lying or trolling. Sometimes they’re doing both
All that to say — just use some common sense and you’ll figure out that a whole host of things were detrimental to our success on the trail in ‘22.
You also can’t paint the whole class with a broad brush. Not every recruitment was about relationships. Some were about opportunity. Some NIL. Some about their friends, draft picks, success on the field, talented rooms, and so on.
Most recruits had a combination of those things. Folks that want to say relationships don’t matter or that it’s all that matters or reference a single recruitment as proof are lying or trolling. Sometimes they’re doing both
All that to say — just use some common sense and you’ll figure out that a whole host of things were detrimental to our success on the trail in ‘22.
Posted on 2/3/22 at 2:35 pm to CorchJay
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it’s my understanding everyone gave him a free pass this year.
I don't think anyone's saying he gets a free pass. You can be frustrated and disappointed and also understand that many on here had their expectations too high for year 1. Was I hoping for better? Of course, but I also understood the reality of the situation.
Now in year two, he's had time to get a foothold in the region and especially with the amount of talent in state for 2023, I do expect a significantly better class.
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Just wondering when melting is acceptable.
Feel free to do that whenever you want. Just don't complain when someone calls you out on it.
Posted on 2/3/22 at 2:39 pm to TheJones
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But then the season unfolds, results are in, coaches are fired, and so on.
This is a great point. Some of the challenges that Harsin has faced are self inflicted. This has made that hill much harder to climb, but it's up to him to figure it out now.
Posted on 2/3/22 at 2:48 pm to CharlieTiger
Right. I think early on relationships were a big factor. And later on it was a lot of self inflicted damage. Both are true and fair.
I think it’s also fair to say going forward that this staff is now very low on excuses for lost battles on the trail. We kinda pointed this time out as a spot where we thought Harsin and staff would be about on as fair of ground as they could expect to be. So we’ll see what happens next
I think it’s also fair to say going forward that this staff is now very low on excuses for lost battles on the trail. We kinda pointed this time out as a spot where we thought Harsin and staff would be about on as fair of ground as they could expect to be. So we’ll see what happens next
Posted on 2/28/22 at 4:32 pm to CorchJay
Accidental bump Someone anchor this thing
Someone anchor this thingThis post was edited on 2/28/22 at 4:33 pm
Posted on 2/28/22 at 6:19 pm to TheJones
Get your crap together
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