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re: How are we feeling concerning TX and OK to the SEC
Posted on 7/22/21 at 6:40 pm to Porker Face
Posted on 7/22/21 at 6:40 pm to Porker Face
Why is that?
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Posted on 7/22/21 at 6:55 pm to dchog
1. the blatant money grabbing is just getting too egregious. I honestly DGAF about athletic departments pulling in more $$$. I think they have plenty as is. Many of the current college athletes are spoiled little bitches who think they're entitled to so much when we are there for the name on the front of the jersey, not the back
2. The SEC used to be full of traditional rivalries, but fewer and fewer games will be those classic matchups. Who GAF about OU vs Mississippi State? Sure they are historically our rivals, but I grew up in the SEC era watching us play Tennessee and South Carolina, etc. We already hardly ever play those schools, I guess we will just give up on ever forming anything with the SEC and just try to relive the SWC days
3. We are going to lose against OU and Texas far more than we win. Look at us vs aTm and Missouri for christsake.
4. I don't really buy the puffery about "recruiting impacts" as I know we will end up behind on that end, and watching OU and Texas smoke us every year isn't my idea of a big plus for Arkansas
5. It's already impossible to see any real media coverage about any college team outside Bama, Clemson, OSU, ND, and an handful of others. This won't make that situation any better
2. The SEC used to be full of traditional rivalries, but fewer and fewer games will be those classic matchups. Who GAF about OU vs Mississippi State? Sure they are historically our rivals, but I grew up in the SEC era watching us play Tennessee and South Carolina, etc. We already hardly ever play those schools, I guess we will just give up on ever forming anything with the SEC and just try to relive the SWC days
3. We are going to lose against OU and Texas far more than we win. Look at us vs aTm and Missouri for christsake.
4. I don't really buy the puffery about "recruiting impacts" as I know we will end up behind on that end, and watching OU and Texas smoke us every year isn't my idea of a big plus for Arkansas
5. It's already impossible to see any real media coverage about any college team outside Bama, Clemson, OSU, ND, and an handful of others. This won't make that situation any better
Posted on 7/22/21 at 7:35 pm to Porker Face
Basically we’re going to go to 16 or 18 super conference and then play in an 8 or 9 team division. We could call one side the SEC and the other side the SWC. What we’ve essentially done here is gone back to the original model with a partner conference we play some games against.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 7:47 pm to Porker Face
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the blatant money grabbing is just getting too egregious
It is what it is. CFB has become big business and these kids are asked to do the jobs of professionals. It's distasteful but it's where major college sports are headed.
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The SEC used to be full of traditional rivalries
This is the best thing that could happen to us in this sense. OK would quickly develop into a regional rival far more than any of the current SEC teams could (save A&M). We also get the closest thing to a real rival we have ever had back in Texas. We would be at the center of an SEC region instead of on the fringe.
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We are going to lose against OU and Texas far more than we win. Look at us vs aTm and Missouri for christsake.
We have had a clown show in our AD the last decade. I think we have solved that but either way this is yet to be written.
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I don't really buy the puffery about "recruiting impacts" as I know we will end up behind on that end, and watching OU and Texas smoke us every year isn't my idea of a big plus for Arkansas
Nothing is certain but it would be pretty surprising if it doesn't give us a better shot with Texas recruits that we are fighting the leftover B12 schools for. NIL is going to change recruiting more than this would anyway.
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It's already impossible to see any real media coverage about any college team outside Bama, Clemson, OSU, ND, and an handful of others. This won't make that situation any better
Nothing is going to make this better. Pretty much the same answer as the money thing. It's just the way it is.
The big argument is "Texas is poison". Even if they still are I say great. Let the rest of the SEC choke on that pill. Better yet lets help feed it to them *insert let them fight gif*. If they aren't then we get to watch Texas get slapped down with a bonus of snapping A&M out of the "We are the kings of Texas" lala land they have been living in since they joined. I don't see where this is bad for us.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 7:56 pm to Stonehog
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We’ve never beaten A&M since they joined the SEC, that’s 9 straight losses. But now we’re gonna start beating Texas and OU?
Bingo, let's bring in two more teams that will regularly beat us and drop the Kentuckys, USCs and Vanderbilts off of our schedule
Posted on 7/22/21 at 8:01 pm to TheCheshireHog
Give me a 12 team SEC schedule c. 2006 over a "division of a super conference". That was the golden era of CFB
We're going to play at South Carolina, Florida, Georgia every 20 years (or longer). Why even bother saying we're in the same conference. But we get Norman and Austin every other year. No thanks
We're going to play at South Carolina, Florida, Georgia every 20 years (or longer). Why even bother saying we're in the same conference. But we get Norman and Austin every other year. No thanks
Posted on 7/22/21 at 8:04 pm to TheCheshireHog
First I have no inside info or anything. Just cynical, lots of memories of Texas, and some knowledge of how they are and their egos.
With that said, it smells like a false flag to me. Coming out of nowhere, to suddenly be almost a done deal etc, is just suspicious. IMHO Texas leaked this story trying to to pressure the Big 10 and/or the Pac-12 to try to get special treatment for themselves by implying they are going to the SEC. Probable trying to hang onto the Longhorn Network and who knows what else special privilege. I highly doubt their ego will allow them to take the hit of having to give up TLN, no be in charge, and get pushed around by Bama among others. Then the shite they would catch from TAMU every damn day until the sun dies in 4.5 Billion years. Their delicate little egos could never take such a hit. They have never done anything but try to go the easy route, and the SEC IS NOT the easy route.
Lastly, OU is almost certainly tied to OSU due to state politics, and who knows about Texas politics. They would have to lose TLN, and would add only Oklahoma to the SEC TV footprint. So that makes OSU and the TLN poison pills for the SEC for almost no gain. That's not even considering that TAMU, Arkansas, and Missouri are all but certain to be dead set against adding them. Then you only need one other school to outright block them. One or all of USC, UF, and UGA would likely fall into the against block due to having schools that could then be added in their own states. Would be a dumb precedent for them to add instate competitors when they have the same issue in their own back yards.
Nope, I think this is a Texas ploy for negotiating leverage. JMHO
With that said, it smells like a false flag to me. Coming out of nowhere, to suddenly be almost a done deal etc, is just suspicious. IMHO Texas leaked this story trying to to pressure the Big 10 and/or the Pac-12 to try to get special treatment for themselves by implying they are going to the SEC. Probable trying to hang onto the Longhorn Network and who knows what else special privilege. I highly doubt their ego will allow them to take the hit of having to give up TLN, no be in charge, and get pushed around by Bama among others. Then the shite they would catch from TAMU every damn day until the sun dies in 4.5 Billion years. Their delicate little egos could never take such a hit. They have never done anything but try to go the easy route, and the SEC IS NOT the easy route.
Lastly, OU is almost certainly tied to OSU due to state politics, and who knows about Texas politics. They would have to lose TLN, and would add only Oklahoma to the SEC TV footprint. So that makes OSU and the TLN poison pills for the SEC for almost no gain. That's not even considering that TAMU, Arkansas, and Missouri are all but certain to be dead set against adding them. Then you only need one other school to outright block them. One or all of USC, UF, and UGA would likely fall into the against block due to having schools that could then be added in their own states. Would be a dumb precedent for them to add instate competitors when they have the same issue in their own back yards.
Nope, I think this is a Texas ploy for negotiating leverage. JMHO
This post was edited on 7/22/21 at 8:18 pm
Posted on 7/22/21 at 8:06 pm to cubsfan5150
The false prophet Jeff Long has damaged your faith. Have ye not seen the miracles of saint Muss?
Posted on 7/22/21 at 8:22 pm to cubsfan5150
Regularly beat us? Texas has a losing record against Arkansas since we left the SWC. Oklahoma would drop games against Arkansas as well. We faced better competition in the SEC.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 8:52 pm to dchog
I have really enjoyed the conversation in this thread...
Thanks folks...
Thanks folks...
Posted on 7/22/21 at 9:06 pm to dchog
When was the last time we beat aTm? Or Mizzou for that matter?
We are not just going to throttle Texas on the reg
We are not just going to throttle Texas on the reg
Posted on 7/22/21 at 9:10 pm to dchog
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Regularly beat us?
Yeah. Kind of like the way Mizzou beats us every year.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 9:23 pm to Stonehog
Not suprising with the drunk and the Aggie.
This post was edited on 7/22/21 at 9:38 pm
Posted on 7/22/21 at 9:56 pm to V Bainbridge
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The false prophet Jeff Long has damaged your faith. Have ye not seen the miracles of saint Muss?
This. Pittman will lead us to the promise land
Posted on 7/22/21 at 11:45 pm to Porker Face
The Aggies have never had a winning streak against Arkansas when they are good. You have to go back more than 50 years to find it. They don't bring the hate and animosity that Texas brings, remember the Texas bowl? That was a poorly coached team by a drunk and yet that team was more motivated in that game than as any other SEC game. It is something a bout Texas that Arkansas plays better than they should.
Texas is the most OVERRATED football team each year. They are simply not as good as advertised. They struggle with the likes of Iowa State and Kansas State. They won't do jack shite in the SEC. I'm not scared of them unlike some people. And besides we played better teams than Texas each year in the SEC, we just didn't see it.
Texas is the most OVERRATED football team each year. They are simply not as good as advertised. They struggle with the likes of Iowa State and Kansas State. They won't do jack shite in the SEC. I'm not scared of them unlike some people. And besides we played better teams than Texas each year in the SEC, we just didn't see it.
Posted on 7/23/21 at 7:44 am to Razorback Reverend
I dont see it being beneficial at all.
As far as recruiting goes guys who want to play in the SEC but stay home too now have two(maybe three) closer options. Guys who don't care about being close to home aren't flying to coop for us. They're going to LSU, Bama, Auburn and others. Yippie Texas tech and Okie state don't get recruits... Now neither do we. Where is the victory?
Now our schedule which was always very difficult just gets more difficult? I don't see the benefit besides the pockets of the suits getting bigger which doesn't pay my bills so I don't care.
As far as recruiting goes guys who want to play in the SEC but stay home too now have two(maybe three) closer options. Guys who don't care about being close to home aren't flying to coop for us. They're going to LSU, Bama, Auburn and others. Yippie Texas tech and Okie state don't get recruits... Now neither do we. Where is the victory?
Now our schedule which was always very difficult just gets more difficult? I don't see the benefit besides the pockets of the suits getting bigger which doesn't pay my bills so I don't care.
Posted on 7/23/21 at 8:02 am to Razorback Reverend
The Chargers could join the conference and it wouldn't matter. We need coaching. Nothing else matters.
Posted on 7/23/21 at 10:20 am to boogiewoogie1978
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We need coaching
We have an inherent disadvantage with recruiting compared to other SEC schools. No amount of coaching will change that. It can make the most of the talent we do get, but we’re never winning a national championship again.
Posted on 7/23/21 at 10:44 am to Porcine Human
On the bright side, we clearly dodged a bullet on all that Arkansas should go to the Big 12 talk. I’d rather be where we are right now than in Okie State, Baylor and Tech’s shoes. The SEC wouldn’t have taken us back, the Big 10 wouldn’t have answered our calls which would have left us with the ACC and PAC-12 as our only options before the AAC route. Glad cooler heads prevailed on that one.
Posted on 7/23/21 at 10:48 am to TheCheshireHog
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PAC-12 as our only options before the AAC route. Glad cooler heads prevailed on that one.
Joining the PAC 12 would be wild
Tailgating till the 9pm central kick off
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