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About the 3-man front
Posted on 10/9/21 at 8:22 pm
Posted on 10/9/21 at 8:22 pm
Rushing totals today for Ole Miss and Arkansas, who were borh rushing against the same 3-man front defense.
Arkansas - 350 yds
Ole Miss - 323 yds
Damn.....
Arkansas - 350 yds
Ole Miss - 323 yds
Damn.....
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Posted on 10/9/21 at 8:31 pm to Jack Ruby
We need to make an adjustment for auburn or it’ll be a dogfight when it shouldn’t be
Posted on 10/9/21 at 9:21 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
Auburn has a zone OL blocking scheme. We will be fine against them.
Posted on 10/9/21 at 9:26 pm to Hawgeye
What makes you believe we will do better against a zone scheme? Ole miss ran a lot of zone today. Those outside zone stretch plays gashed us all day
Posted on 10/9/21 at 10:19 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
Bigsby and Nix will gash the shite out of that front if we don't adjust. If I'm Auburn, I run right at it all game long, then take shots over the top since it seems we had no safeties or corners on the field today.
Posted on 10/10/21 at 6:22 am to Jack Ruby
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I run right at it all game long, then take shots over the top
This has been the formula to beat us since last year. We are going to have to use some blitz packages to give teams a reason to pause or folks are going to do this to us the rest of the season. We could see a lot of shoot outs this year.
Posted on 10/10/21 at 7:06 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
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What makes you believe we will do better against a zone scheme? Ole miss ran a lot of zone today
Ole Miss tried to do what UGA did on their running plays…double team our DL and drive them into the LB’s which causes the LBs to get caught up and not make tackles. It’s the death nail to our defense…The fix is for the DL to drop and make a pile once they feel the double team.
Zone blocking schemes allows our LBs to run free and shoot gaps to make plays…UGA and Ole Miss figured that out.
This post was edited on 10/10/21 at 7:07 am
Posted on 10/10/21 at 7:14 am to Hawgeye
also our lbs seem to lose vision with the eye candy(window dressing, motions)
Posted on 10/10/21 at 7:32 am to Hawgeye
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double team our DL and drive them into the LB’s which causes the LBs to get caught up and not make tackles
quote:you can still double team and drive in a zone scheme especially against a 3 man front. Backside guard and center doubles the nose up to play side backer and play side guard and tackle double play side end. I’m not saying that’s what auburn is going to do but it’s definitely possible
Zone blocking schemes allows our LBs to run free and shoot gaps to make plays
Posted on 10/10/21 at 7:41 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
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I’m not saying that’s what auburn is going to do but it’s definitely possible
Ole Miss hadn’t done it much, if at all until yesterday. They took that from the UGA film.
And yes, you can still double in the zone scheme…but UGA and Ole Miss committed to the double and driving the DL back into LB’s…Texas and aTm had totally different OL schemes than what we saw against UGA and OM.
Posted on 10/10/21 at 7:44 am to Hawgeye
quote:this is what I’m worried about. That every team other than Mississippi state is going to make the adjustment now that the secret is out and it’s going to be tough to stop the run from here on out without making adjustments. I understand our best personnel is in the 3-2-6 but if we’re getting gashed we have to make an adjustment. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results
Ole Miss hadn’t done it much, if at all until yesterday. They took that from the UGA film.
Posted on 10/10/21 at 8:47 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
it's not a "3 man front"
it's a six man front with a nickel back - we are a first cousin to the 3-4 defense
to say this is a "3 man front" is ridiculous, it's like saying the 4-3 defense is a "4 man front"
Repeat: we have 3 down lineman, 3 linebackers, and a tweener nickel back
this thread is just more OhKnozzz, OMG Hogville type Bs
it's a six man front with a nickel back - we are a first cousin to the 3-4 defense
to say this is a "3 man front" is ridiculous, it's like saying the 4-3 defense is a "4 man front"
Repeat: we have 3 down lineman, 3 linebackers, and a tweener nickel back
this thread is just more OhKnozzz, OMG Hogville type Bs
Posted on 10/10/21 at 10:56 am to Harry Rex Vonner
Don't most people interpret 3 man front to mean "we have 3 down lineman." I've never heard anyone say, "we have a 7 man front." No one says a 3-4 defense is a 7 man front. It's a 7 man box.
Going to a 4 man front ONLY means "we have 4 down lineman." It says nothing about any other positions but the DL.
Going to a 4 man front ONLY means "we have 4 down lineman." It says nothing about any other positions but the DL.
Posted on 10/10/21 at 11:22 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
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We need to make an adjustment for auburn or it’ll be a dogfight when it shouldn’t be
Nah I actually really like our setup against Auburn and Nix, as long as we can cover their WRs well enough.
Nix is frantic as frick without 8 dropping back to cover his WRs, he'll keep plays alive with his legs but also make plenty of mistakes just because he gets so wound up when pressured. Dude has been running for his life all season because their OL isn't the greatest. LSU got some great pressure on him and chased his arse up and down the field all game, and LSU's lines just got dominated by UK.
I think this is one matchup where the "umbrella defense" works really well
Posted on 10/10/21 at 11:34 am to RazorBroncs
What I’m worried about is him constantly picking up first downs scrambling for 8 or 9 yards like corral did. Morgan had a terrible game spying corral yesterday and unless we fix that it could be a game where I pull all my hair out watching us getting them into 3rd and 6,7,8 and him scrambling for firsts to keep the drive alive
Posted on 10/10/21 at 12:27 pm to Harry Rex Vonner
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it's not a "3 man front"
it's a six man front with a nickel back - we are a first cousin to the 3-4 defense
Right and a 3-4 is a 3 man front
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to say this is a "3 man front" is ridiculous, it's like saying the 4-3 defense is a "4 man front"
That's not ridiculous that's just the definition of a 4 man front. You can also run a 4 man front with less linebackers and more defensive backs.
Again the front you run is a count of down linemen.
Posted on 10/10/21 at 12:44 pm to oklahogjr
I don't think we're really a cousin to a 3-4. That's very different personnel. Those OLBs are usually big enough to be DEs in a 4-3 scheme
Posted on 10/10/21 at 12:47 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
You need to have some biltz packages with your LBs all showing blitz and then dropping into coverage with two random LBs blitzing. The QB can't read them and will be looking downfield when the blitzer hits him. That's what Georgia does.
Posted on 10/10/21 at 12:49 pm to The Sultan of Swine
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don't think we're really a cousin to a 3-4. That's very different personnel. Those OLBs are usually big enough to be DEs in a 4-3 scheme
Yeah our personnel is really weird. Our DEs for example are undersized in a 3-4 as well since those would usually be tackle size around 300. Trey Williams is a very typically 4-3 DE at 255 for a speed rush.
What I want to know is what happened to being a multiple front? Sam and Odom have always said we're multiple and would do with the look that worked best. However we seem really attached here.
Posted on 10/10/21 at 12:50 pm to AlaCowboy
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You need to have some biltz packages with your LBs all showing blitz and then dropping into coverage with two random LBs blitzing. The QB can't read them and will be looking downfield when the blitzer hits him. That's what Georgia does.
Agreed we have a handful of blitzes and do stuff similar to this. We even did this on first and second down and then would just drop 8 on third and long for a completion. It was frustrating.
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