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What do you guys think about the "Jalen" packages?

Posted on 10/18/18 at 4:56 am
Posted by SmokeTide
Gulf Coast Alabama
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 10/18/18 at 4:56 am
I think it's pretty great that Jalen is still trying to contribute and from what I've read is considered a leader in the locker room despite losing his starting role.

I love the small wrinkles that have been added to the offense from game to game. Personally, I like seeing Hurts in the game in some form or fashion, more for he's been classy throughout this process rather than I feel like he's better than a currect player that might otherwise line up in that position.

I'm not sure if these packages will be used against better teams, but at very least they have to eat a little practice time to address it. After the Tua "scare" we had earlier this week, is it wise to put our Backup QB in and risk injury being to cute?
Posted by JeffAtlanta
Atlanta GA
Member since Sep 2018
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Posted on 10/18/18 at 5:10 am to
Probably more time is spent practicing these packages then opposing defenses will spend preparing for them. If this were a movie franchise, it would probably be considered “fan service”.

The time would probably better be spent developing the pocket passing of Jalen and Mac Jones.

I’m typing this on my mobile so the terseness of my response may make it sound overly negative - that is not how I mean it. CNS obviously sees value in the package.
This post was edited on 10/18/18 at 5:20 am
Posted by BamaJuggs
Member since Sep 2012
412 posts
Posted on 10/18/18 at 5:17 am to
Can't wait to see Tua and Jalen lined up on the outside in the wildcat. D Harris snaps ball, Jalen comes around for a reverse, then the throw back to Tua for 6.
Posted by FairhopeTider
Fairhope, Alabama
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 10/18/18 at 6:26 am to
It’s nice for a wrinkle here and there but our offense is too damn good to waste too much time on it.
Posted by Teague
The Shoals, AL
Member since Aug 2007
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Posted on 10/18/18 at 6:32 am to
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If this were a movie franchise, it would probably be considered “fan service”.


Pretty much how I feel. It's fine, but just a gimmick. As long as we don't waste too many plays doing it, then I don't care. They've mostly worked, but it's not like they've worked better than just running the offense.
Posted by mrbroker
Sylacauga Alabama
Member since Jul 2011
16504 posts
Posted on 10/18/18 at 6:39 am to
they are giving other teams a sneak peak at these looks so they have something to prepare for. I think we will see Jalen and Tua in the future games a lot more than we have. Maybe not in the UT game but surely in the LSU game.

I was hoping they would have both been in the game for the opening snap vs Lville.
Posted by mrbroker
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Posted on 10/18/18 at 6:40 am to
we are going to be facing much tougher D's soon and a few wrinkles will not hurt. Plus one of our 3 stud WR's may be out a few more weeks.
Posted by East Coast Band
Member since Nov 2010
62722 posts
Posted on 10/18/18 at 6:45 am to
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Maybe not in the UT game but surely in the LSU game.

I think the opposite. Saban always plays the LSU very conservatively. I would think most every play in that game will be very "pro" set like.
Perhaps the UT will be more open.
Posted by UAgrad93
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Posted on 10/18/18 at 7:09 am to
It gives the opposing DC's more formations and "possibilities" to have to contend with, like the swinging gate on PAT instead of the conventional PAT set. Not only do they have to take time to line up against it, prepare for the plays seen, they also have to guess as to what MIGHT come from those sets. Added time here means less time on our more conventional sets and offense. Then throw in the fact that Locksley and company have a few wrinkles in with our regular sets, equals ANOTHER headache for the DC.
Posted by Teague
The Shoals, AL
Member since Aug 2007
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Posted on 10/18/18 at 7:27 am to
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It gives the opposing DC's more formations and "possibilities" to have to contend with,


Does it really though? I don't remember all the plays, but aren't we basically just putting a different guy out there and running the play? I doubt defensive coordinators are spending a ton of time how to stop Jalen Hurts as a slot receiver or on a toss sweep. I get that he could take a handoff then pass, but that's a "standard" trick play that every team prepares for - don't leave your man until the runner crosses the LOS.

I think our normal offense is a well-oiled machine. I'm fine with Jalen wrinkles, but I really don't think they add much except making the fans and Jalen happy.
Posted by MagillaGuerilla
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Posted on 10/18/18 at 7:42 am to
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I doubt defensive coordinators are spending a ton of time how to stop Jalen Hurts as a slot receiver or on a toss sweep. I get that he could take a handoff then pass, but that's a "standard" trick play that every team prepares for - don't leave your man until the runner crosses the LOS.



That's the beauty of it, a minuscule amount of prep vs the trick plays Bama has already shown.

The play that will matter from that formation will not be put on tape until they need it, forcing defense to play it based off what they've seen so far.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 10/18/18 at 8:01 am to
I like them, but honestly I think they are just poison pills to throw into DC's planning.

We've already shown packages of Jalen taking jet sweeps, taking a jet sweep and then running a counter roll out and Jalen just running a stop route.

Those are all plays that you 100% have to prep for, especially in the red zone and especially since we have now shown the ability to run all 3 options of basically the same play (run/pass/run then pass).
This post was edited on 10/18/18 at 8:04 am
Posted by UAgrad93
Sylacauga
Member since Oct 2015
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Posted on 10/18/18 at 8:12 am to
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Does it really though?


I would say yes it does!! We have run with him in Jet sweep motion twice, once Jalen ran it and the other was a bootleg and pass to Damien. We've run an RPO and hit Jalen with it. We split Tua out wide and Jalen ran the QB power. It is the unknown that drives a DC batshit crazy!! Who's to say that there isn't a double pass in there somewhere or even a throw back, or an option look and pitch to either one and they throw it. The beauty of it is, you would have a QB that can throw it and put touch on it if needed and not a RB or WR that would be moonlighting as a QB for one play. Defense has to be more disciplined too. A lot more expensive "eye candy" out there for a defense to get caught looking.

Again, DCs like the known and what they will have to combat against. When you go throwing more formations and personnel groupings that may or may not be used and plays that may or may not be used PLUS plays not seen on tape yet, it gives DCs a bad case of heartburn. When I coached, our DCs literally ate bottles of TUMS because of this. At the college level with these kinds of athletes, the stress has to be worse.
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 10/18/18 at 8:37 am to
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I like them, but honestly I think they are just poison pills to throw into DC's planning.




They are, and that's fine. Make the defense think more anytime he and Tua are on the field at the same time.

I'm just waiting for the play when Jalen throws a pass to Tua.
Posted by John Milner
Member since Jan 2015
6458 posts
Posted on 10/18/18 at 8:43 am to
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Can't wait to see Tua and Jalen lined up on the outside in the wildcat.


I don't want to ever again see Tua going downfield for a pass.
Posted by FairhopeTider
Fairhope, Alabama
Member since May 2012
20758 posts
Posted on 10/18/18 at 9:07 am to
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we are going to be facing much tougher D's soon and a few wrinkles will not hurt. Plus one of our 3 stud WR's may be out a few more weeks.


All I'm saying is let's not get too cute with it. Sure, it's a wrinkle that we can throw in every now & then but let's not march down the field doing one thing and then suddenly break this out in the red zone & risk stalling a drive. That's some Malzahn type stuff.
Posted by CrimsonBoz
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 10/18/18 at 9:12 am to
I imagine the water boy play when Bobby throws to the QB
Posted by LittleJerrySeinfield
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Posted on 10/18/18 at 9:17 am to
I think they're setting up a double pass where Jalen gets the handoff, throws a backward pass to Tua who then chucks it downfield to a receiver.
Posted by Riseupfromtherubble
You'll Never Walk Alone
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Posted on 10/18/18 at 9:26 am to
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I think the opposite. Saban always plays the LSU very conservatively


He’s also used gadget plays against LSU. The fake punt in Bryant Denny, the tackle eligible in overtime in BR both worked. The Maze pass almost worked...I agree he usually calls it tighter than other games but I think a lot of that had to do with LSU always having no passing game, and Alabama having the best run defense in the country by a wide margin. Our defense has been miles better than their offense since he got here. I still think they’re a middle of the pack team offensively, but this isn’t an elite defense we have. They’re good, but it’s a far cry from the ‘11, ‘16 defenses.

Plus he’s never had Tua. If Tua is healthy then I don’t really expect the game to ever be close. Their passing game is still average and from what I’ve seen there are several factors as to why. The offensive line being poor in pass blocking has a lot to do with it, and their receivers just aren’t that good. They drop balls and can struggle to get open. Burrow is a tough kid and a good leader, reminds me a lot of JPW in ‘08. Decent enough quarterback that has a little scrambling ability. Can make some throws, but he’s not a game breaker. Texas A&M has better weapons on offense than LSU, that’s just the truth. Their defense is good, especially in the back 7. They aren’t mistake free by any means though, and they aren’t more talented than the guys we have on offense. Hell, Greedy Williams is their star corner and Ruggs ran right by him last year and was open enough that even Jalen hit him deep down the field. Their nickel guy can’t play with Jeudy, and Fulton can’t play with Devonta all game. They’ll lose Irv or Jacobs consistently. They don’t rush the passer well. Truth be told they just don’t match up with us well. I think the only way to disrupt what we do offensively is to play in our backfield. An elite pass rush could slow us down. There isn’t one on the schedule. Give Tua time and somebody will get open because our guys are better than their guys from top to bottom. Jaylen Waddle is our 4th receiver. Their dime back isn’t covering him all game. We’re just a matchup nightmare. Don’t care how good someone’s DBs are, nobody has enough talent to keep up with our top 5 guys all game with Tua throwing the ball
Posted by BamaReb
N Carolina
Member since Nov 2017
291 posts
Posted on 10/18/18 at 9:37 am to
I think they are probably setting some other plays up by showing these early. The moment of hesitation a DB has because he's worried about Jalen reversing to throw may open a lane for Harris, Harris, Jacobs & Co to cut through, could be enough for a TD.
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