re: What do you guys think about the "Jalen" packages?

I would rather see a true WR on the field. I think it will be easily defended against when we go to La and against State and Auburn. Nothing wrong with letting the guys have fun though.

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I would rather see a true WR on the field

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I agree. I don't think we need tricks. Our offense is talented across the board. I don't see Jalen being a better option at any position. Sure, we might trick the defense by running something weird, but what is going to be the result of the trick? A completed pass to Jalen? A pass BY Jalen? A run by Jalen? I like our WR's catching and running. I like Tua passing. And I like our RB's running.

As far as LSU, I hope Saban doesn't play them like he has in the past. I think he gives them too much credit sometimes and gets conservative to minimize mistakes and eek out a win. I don't think that's the best plan with this offense.

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don't want to ever again see Tua going downfield for a pass.

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Agreed. Now that the Jalen packages are out of the bag, any competent defensive corridnator is going to tell his guys just to wallop Tua if he lines up as a non-QB whether he has the ball or not.

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Probably more time is spent practicing these packages then opposing defenses will spend preparing for them.

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Not sure why you'd think this. These specialty packages are relatively straight forward and only minor wrinkles to existing packages


If Dana Holgerson installs his entire WVU offense in 3 days, a Saban run program can handle a small specialty package

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opposing defenses will spend preparing for them.

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It isn't just spending time in practice, it is asking the opposing coaches to develop and the players to remember and execute an entirely new set of assignments.


The wildcat wrecked the NFL in 2008 because it took defenses time to respond + players time to adjust to recognizing and understanding new assignments/responsibility

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he drive you referenced stalled out and resulted in a FG.

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Look again. The drive against Arkansas produced a touchdown. And it's ludicrous to suggest that an 11 yard gain on first down, followed by a 7 yard gain on first down caused a drive to stall. 2nd and 3 is exactly the kind of result you want on 1st down. Maybe it was the play called on 2nd and 3.

Bottom line...the only thing you have to base your opinion on is, well, just your opinion. Stats don't lie.

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the package seems to disrupt the rhythm of the offense

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I'd argue it disrupts the defense even more for the rest of the game, not just one drive

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Stats don't lie.

Stats “lie” all the time - there are myriad books written on the subject.

“Stats” are meaningless without context and a sophisticated enough understanding to perform proper analysis.

There is an adage in the data science world - “anyone who is competent enough to interpret data is competent enough to mislead with it”

For example, according to the stats Jalen has a higher completion percentage than Tua this year - does anyone think that Jalen is a more accurate passer than Tua?

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Yada, yada, yada.

Bottom line...there's nothing to support your opinion on this topic other than a tingling feeling running up your leg, because it sure isn't supported by a rational analysis of the results.

Nothing. Zero. Zilch.

LSU will win the time of possession battle. But, with our offense that may not be an indicator of anything significant.

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Results of the 4 plays so far:

Hurts run for 5 yards.
Hurts run for 27 yards.
Hurts pass to Harris for 11 yards.
Tua pass to Hurts for 7 yards.

Avg. 12.5 yards per snap.


Eh. Have you seen our regular offensive stats?

Tua - 14.31 yards per passing ATTEMPT
Tua - 20.0 yards per completion
Tua - 4.7 yards per carry (with sacks included)
The first 3 RB's off the bench are averaging a combined 5.99 yards per carry.

So, let's not just assume if we'd run the normal offense that we wouldn't have picked up just as many yards. Or more, since if Tua had completed two normal passes, the stats tell us he would have gotten 40 yards out of it.

See how fun stats are?

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"If" he would have completed. "If" is a really big word.

No "ifs"...reality: the other 46 snaps that Tua took vs. Missouri, other than the "Jalen package"...completions, incompletions, handoffs, and sacks...we averaged 7.9 yards per SNAP.

Against Arkansas, we averaged 11.26 yards per SNAP, other than the Jalen package, with Tua.

Yeah, stats can be really fun when you just cherry pick the good plays and ignore the ones that have gotten bad results.

I would assume that you're astute enough to know that's not the point. The point is that some posters look at the packages as if they are a bad idea, when clearly they aren't. They have by any measure been successful. And the notion that they caused the offense to bog down is, well, just stupid.