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re: UA back to school plan... Shame the unvaccinated kids
Posted on 7/28/21 at 9:47 am to Robot Santa
Posted on 7/28/21 at 9:47 am to Robot Santa
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At this point I'm not sure there is anything that can be done and I fear that it will take either an outright civil war or some kind of global conflict between NATO and the aforementioned countries to change anything.
Yep. To be honest, we've had the longest true "peace period" in the world since probably Pax Romana - and Pax Romana existed in a much, much "smaller" world.
That was never going to last forever, nor was our lordship as the world's one superpower. We will continually grind towards conflict, specifically with China (which Russia will tag along with), and eventually someone will make a strategic or reactionary decision that will spark conflict. You just have to hope we are good enough and strong enough to win our objectives, that no nuclear weapons are involved and that it somehow snaps us out of our current unsustainable cultural rut.
I'm not really confident in any of those (the most recent leaked WarGaming of a Battle of Taiwan backs up that assertion).
This post was edited on 7/28/21 at 9:49 am
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Posted on 7/28/21 at 9:51 am to SummerOfGeorge
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ut I'm not sure how any student of history looks at America in 2021 and doesn't see the Roman Republic of the last 100-200 years BC.
Our society has become a society of dependency. To many want to rely on the leadership to resolve problems at hand instead of relying on self preservation and resolving the issues with our knowledge and as a group without someone telling what is best for us and how to live.
But as a student of history patterns like this that continue down a path we are going may no longer be able to be change without forcing it. Forced change is how this country was formed and it is how many a civilization has become only a memory throughout time.
Our leaders on both sides of the isle have failed the people and this pandemic and the lack of leadership throughout hopefully was an eye opener and a road to change in how this country is governed.
Posted on 7/28/21 at 9:52 am to TideWarrior
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Our society has become a society of dependency. To many want to rely on the leadership to resolve problems at hand instead of relying on self preservation and resolving the issues with our knowledge and as a group without someone telling what is best for us and how to live.
But as a student of history patterns like this that continue down a path we are going may no longer be able to be change without forcing it. Forced change is how this country was formed and it is how many a civilization has become only a memory throughout time.
Yep yep yep
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the lack of leadership throughout hopefully was an eye opener and a road to change in how this country is governed.
Not gonna happen. Nothing opens anyone's eyes anymore. That would require seeing something and having it challenge and change something you previously held as a belief. America doesn't do that anymore.
This post was edited on 7/28/21 at 9:54 am
Posted on 7/28/21 at 10:04 am to TideWarrior
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Our society has become a society of dependency. To many want to rely on the leadership to resolve problems at hand instead of relying on self preservation and resolving the issues with our knowledge and as a group without someone telling what is best for us and how to live.
And how did we get to that point? By allowing lobbyists, dark money, Super PACs, etc. to take over our government. "We The People..." no longer applies to our system of government. Citizens United was the single most disastrous decision by the SCOTUS since Dred Scott. Between corporate interests controlling the voting decisions of countless representatives and the integrity of our entire election process being undermined at every turn the candle of democracy is being burned from both ends.
Posted on 7/28/21 at 10:11 am to Robot Santa
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Between corporate interests controlling the voting decisions of countless representatives and the integrity of our entire election process being undermined at every turn the candle of democracy is being burned from both ends.
Not to mention think-tanks/activist groups that in terms of size and scope have become nearly the equivalent to corporate interests in terms of defining the issues and messages that are churned out by politicians, the media and "influencers". It both stifles discussion and thinking, creates a very limited space for who can actually get to the point of running for office within each party and it creates a populace that is inundated with nothing but extreme, loud and apocalyptical sounding discussion on issues as mundane as infrastructure. Everyone is either on the RIGHT SIDE or the EVIL SIDE of every issue.
If you vote AGAINST INFASTRUCTURE you don't care about bridges collapsing. If you vote FOR INFASTRUCTURE you are voting for illegals to come to America and Communism. In reality, there is a group of 4-5 people who are putting good faith effort into putting together a bill that, while not perfect, helps deal with some of our true issues. However, they won't be allowed to do that, because one side wants NOTHING while the other side wants an Infrastructure deal that CURES RACISM. And you can apply this same logic/system to basically any bill or legislative discussion.
This country furkin sucks arse.
This post was edited on 7/28/21 at 10:14 am
Posted on 7/28/21 at 10:24 am to SummerOfGeorge
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it creates a populace that is inundated with nothing but extreme, loud and apocalyptical sounding discussion on issues as mundane as infrastructure
"I think we need to modernize our highways, bridges, rail lines, and public transportation" is now an extremely controversial position. Why? If you want to debate how to achieve something so obvious then by all means, have at it. That's what Congress is meant to do. The debate has shifted to whether we should even try though, and you can't compromise on that. The same can be applied to healthcare, wages, education, or any other topic that comes up. "I think poor people should have access to affordable healthcare" is a controversial opinion. "I think history is an important topic for children to be educated on and they should be exposed to multiple perspectives on the subject" is a controversial opinion. It's pure insanity.
Posted on 7/28/21 at 10:45 am to The Spleen
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My point wasn't entirely about the risk at the individual level. I'm a healthy person and not all that at risk, but I go to places regularly where I can encounter people that are at higher risk.
If I'm coming in contact with people that are higher risk, the onus of protection is on those people to get vaccinated, not me.
If I'm healthy, and at low risk of being affected by the virus, there is little incentive for me to get a vaccine that isn't FDA approved and has pretty significant documented side effects. Have you ever seen someone with GBS or Bell's Palsy? I spent years working with people who suffered from conditions like these.
The risk of the potential long-term side effects to MY health and MY future for something that otherwise doesn't give me much benefit doesn't outweigh the risks of me possibly giving the virus to someone that can simply get the vaccine themselves. There are likely tens of millions that share this sentiment because like me, they simply aren't at much of a risk of Covid.
Get the vaccine if you feel the need, but don't attempt to shame people for having very plausible reservations for not doing the same.
This post was edited on 7/28/21 at 10:46 am
Posted on 7/28/21 at 10:56 am to SummerOfGeorge
HDT said it best:
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“There will never be a really free and enlightened state until the state comes to recognize the individual as a higher and independent power, from which all its own power and authority are derived.”
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“Must the citizen ever for a moment, or in the least degree, resign his conscience to the legislator? Why has every man a conscience then? I think that we should be men first, and subjects afterward. It is not desirable to cultivate a respect for the law, so much as for the right. The only obligation which I have a right to assume is to do at any time what I think right.”
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“government is best which governs least"; and I should like to see it acted up to more rapidly and systematically. Carried out, it finally amounts to this, which also I believe—"That government is best which governs not at all"; and when men are prepared for it, that will be the kind of government which they will have.”
Posted on 7/28/21 at 11:16 am to SummerOfGeorge
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CURES RACISM.
I read an article this morning regarding our current political climate with that statement in mind.
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It is even dangerous today to observe that any given legal problem is not a problem of racism. Some are; many are not. But if everything is a product or relic of racism, the “racism” label becomes less notable or less imperative to address.
There is no need to rewrite history. Racism permeates our history, including a war in which hundreds of thousands of many races died to end slavery in this country.
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We have continued that struggle through the Civil Rights period and into the current day. But those efforts are hampered, not advanced, by converting all political disputes into zero-sum fights over racism, which leaves little room for debate and even less room for persuasion.
The resulting silence is not evidence of consensus but of intimidation. Racism is real, but it cannot be defeated if it is reduced to a political trump card.
Posted on 7/28/21 at 11:22 am to bogeypro
Why are there so many sheep downvoting those who go against the narrative? Why are you so quick to trust this vaccine pushing government? This same government and MSM who've lied to us from the beginning...
When did it become so unpopular to question the narrative on a virus with a 1% mortality rate?
Why do they change the mask-wearing mandate, every few months? Why don't they show numbers of people who've recovered without being vaccinated? Why have NO MSM outlets shown the videos of people that have had SEVERE neurological, among other, reactions? Or the numbers of deaths caused by this vaccine?
Why were they so quick to dismiss hydroxychloroquine?
Why are we so quick to believe lying politicians and our MSM... Most of which don't give a damn about the normal folks... Those downvoters? Ever read George Orwell's "1984"? Did you know that his "War of the Worlds" broadcast, which caused MAJOR panic, was actually a psy-op? To see how people would react??
Why are we so quick to believe something because someone else says so? Are folks that "braindead"? Derrrrr....
Do you really believe that these people only want what's best for you and they're trustworthy? Just FYI, the district of one of these beings, has decriminalized petty theft...
When did it become so unpopular to question the narrative on a virus with a 1% mortality rate?
Why do they change the mask-wearing mandate, every few months? Why don't they show numbers of people who've recovered without being vaccinated? Why have NO MSM outlets shown the videos of people that have had SEVERE neurological, among other, reactions? Or the numbers of deaths caused by this vaccine?
Why were they so quick to dismiss hydroxychloroquine?
Why are we so quick to believe lying politicians and our MSM... Most of which don't give a damn about the normal folks... Those downvoters? Ever read George Orwell's "1984"? Did you know that his "War of the Worlds" broadcast, which caused MAJOR panic, was actually a psy-op? To see how people would react??
Why are we so quick to believe something because someone else says so? Are folks that "braindead"? Derrrrr....
Do you really believe that these people only want what's best for you and they're trustworthy? Just FYI, the district of one of these beings, has decriminalized petty theft...
This post was edited on 7/28/21 at 11:25 am
Posted on 7/28/21 at 12:59 pm to forestwhitackersgood
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Ever read George Orwell's "1984"? Did you know that his "War of the Worlds" broadcast, which caused MAJOR panic, was actually a psy-op? To see how people would react??
Dude ... you do know that George Orwell, who wrote 1984, is not the same guy who did the War of the Worlds radio broadcast, right? That was Orson Welles. And the broadcast was based on a book written in the late 1800s by H.G. Wells.
Posted on 7/28/21 at 1:05 pm to Sauron
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Dude ... you do know that George Orwell, who wrote 1984, is not the same guy who did the War of the Worlds radio broadcast, right? That was Orson Welles. And the broadcast was based on a book written in the late 1800s by H.G. Wells.
You're right... My brain is thinking too hard and I'm pissed about this whole situation.. Typo...
That said, it was still a psy-op and all other points stand... So am I wrong about the other topics brought up..
Posted on 7/28/21 at 1:09 pm to forestwhitackersgood
No worries. I'm not smart enough to engage in most of this discussion. I just stand on the sidelines and nitpick when folks get minutiae wrong.
It's what I do best. Ask any of my ex-wives.
It's what I do best. Ask any of my ex-wives.
Posted on 7/28/21 at 1:28 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Posted on 7/28/21 at 1:29 pm to Sauron
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I'm not smart enough to engage in most of this discussion.
None of us are.
Posted on 7/28/21 at 1:32 pm to Bamatruther
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Bamatruther
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Damn, son.
Posted on 7/28/21 at 1:38 pm to TideSaint
Trying to live up to my un. Wonder how long my posting privileges will last at this rate(?) The vast majority of folks really cannot handle the truth,
Posted on 7/28/21 at 1:54 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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This country furkin sucks arse.
- Average intelligence is dropping, despite instant access to all the information imaginable.
- Americans are increasingly untethered by a common morality.
The system was never designed to function in such an environment. A government by the people in a country where the average voter is an entitled dumbass will inevitably fail spectacularly.
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While our country remains untainted with the principles and manners which are now producing desolation in so many parts of the world; while she continues sincere, and incapable of insidious and impious policy, we shall have the strongest reason to rejoice in the local destination assigned us by Providence.
But should the people of America once become capable of that deep simulation towards one another, and towards foreign nations, which assumes the language of justice and moderation, while it is practising iniquity and extravagance, and displays in the most captivating manner the charming pictures of candour, frankness, and sincerity, while it is rioting in rapine and insolence, this country will be the most miserable habitation in the world.
Because we have no government, armed with power, capable of contending with human passions, unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge and licentiousness would break the strongest cords of our Constitution, as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.
Posted on 7/28/21 at 2:22 pm to TideWarrior
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So if you want to know why people like myself doubt your OPINION and any validity behind it is because you have continually made false assumptions and accusations towards posters like myself on this board. So when you can come to grips with reality and can actually comprehend what someone is saying with the ability to actually respond to what they actually said maybe someone will take you serious.
this right here explains the actual problem of the thread so well. i link to the clinical trial and even a walkthrough for it proving how dead wrong you were, and yet you still pretend my claims were just an opinion....the trial didnt test for shite or prove anything, and yea, the people who have for 13 pages now ignored this basic fact really ought to be ashamed of themselves. its embarrassing how willing some are to let others think for them, even when yours and your kids health are the topic.
yea i never said you were part of their experiment, i said to those who are. perhaps now you can discover that facts are far more important than your feelings.
Posted on 7/28/21 at 2:24 pm to rushball
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i never said you were part of their experiment
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you are in fact part of nothing more than an unproven experiment
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