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Posted on 7/28/21 at 4:17 pm to rushball
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you were part of their experiment
This what you posted on page 11 responding directly to my post. All I did was quote it.
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you are in fact part of nothing more than an unproven experiment, and to those who were insistent on being justified for wanting to shame kids or anyone for not taking this unproven sack of garbage, im still glad you took it.
Why would my feelings be hurt? You came in here on a rant posting a scientific opinion at best. Everything you posted as mentioned via a Google search will come up with multiple sources both medical and not to debunk that scientific opinion.
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its embarrassing how willing some are to let others think for them
It is and why do you let someone do it for you I am not sure. Because no matter how you try and defend the statement you just made, it is exactly what you have been doing during your whole rant. Someone you support formed an opinion(scientific), maybe with some validity, but not enough to keep it from being debunked by medical professionals and others who have fact checked it. If it was 100% correct without a doubt there would not be so many out there debunking what you claim.
Again you are living a reality that has you following lock step what someone has told you to believe and nothing more.
In all honesty to me the only truth I have found in any of this or I should say in the whole pandemic including the vaccine is no one has a clue on either side. Like TS said in time the truth will come out. But what I do believe is it everyone's choice to make for themselves. It is not the government's choice, it is not an institution to shame(using the thread title), or sure in the hell not your opinion based off of what might be true or not to shame those that do get the vaccine or to convince them you know what is best for them.
In all actuality your failed attempts to convince people in this thread is no different then shaming those that have been vaccinated. I know you will come back and either say I was defending those that are not or trying to educate people, but you have done neither, except to become aggressive towards others that you have failed to convince and/or do not share your opinion.
So who should be ashamed of themselves? People that feel they have the choice to make on their own and are not willing to let others think for them or the person that is trying to force what they believe on them and that their choice is wrong.
Posted on 7/28/21 at 6:23 pm to The Spleen
bahhh..
wait do I hear a sheep speaking?
wait do I hear a sheep speaking?
Posted on 7/28/21 at 7:13 pm to macjonesgoat
The CDC quietly changed its guidance to say even vaccinated people should get tested if they've been exposed to COVID-19
Well ain't this just peachy keen?
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Until Tuesday, the CDC maintained that fully vaccinated people did not need to get tested for COVID-19, unless they developed symptoms.
But, new data shows vaccinated people may be able to transmit the Delta variant just as well as the unvaccinated.
The CDC is now urging anyone who's been in close contact with someone who has COVID-19 to get tested 3-5 days later, so they don't put others at risk.
A new set of guidelines released by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on Tuesday changes the coronavirus testing protocol for fully vaccinated people in the US.
The CDC now recommends that vaccinated people who have been exposed to COVID-19 get tested for the virus - even if they don't have symptoms.
Well ain't this just peachy keen?
This post was edited on 7/28/21 at 7:33 pm
Posted on 7/28/21 at 7:33 pm to TideWarrior
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Why would my feelings be hurt? You came in here on a rant posting a scientific opinion at best. Everything you posted as mentioned via a Google search will come up with multiple sources both medical and not to debunk that scientific opinion.
how is explaining what the clinical trial itself tested and then linking the trial itself to prove it, just an opinion? you know, exactly what my initial meme was about in the first place. im sorry google has now failed you (and quite a few others) multiple times in realizing thats what you needed to look at, but then again here you are still just running away from it, so its not surprising.
nothing ive saids even really been attempted to be debunked, least of all what ive said about the very real questions and negative impacts of the drug itself (ha VAERS reports and fauci emails are a conspiracy now).
yesterday was nothing more than a couple of weirdos having a circle jerk and trying to get political as a way to feel better about knowing absolutely nothing on this subject, which you certainly took part in. if i confused you for being the only one of them who didnt actually join the experiment itself then sure, i take it back. i hope feel better about it now.
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sure in the hell not your opinion based off of what might be true or not to shame those that do get the vaccine or to convince them you know what is best for them.
ha well you can claim its no big deal to have a drug made by the worst scum on the planet with fricking mRNA in it that didnt test for a damn thing to be now getting injected into kids as young as 6 months old up to old timers with multiple other conditions, but you have no right to attempt shaming me on it for lets just say....having trust issues with it. your thoughts on this are reckless at best. the truth on the matter will be upheld. deal with it.
all in all this was nothing more than another pathetic argument you tried to make based entirely on conflating facts with feelings. thanks for the laughs though.
Posted on 7/28/21 at 8:44 pm to rushball
You do realize the cliff on the far right is just as steep as the one on the far left so please be careful not to fall off.
All your posts have been an attempt to convince people but yet the ones that do not believe you still try. Why if you are so correct why bother? Easy answer because you are seeking validation and no one has yet to give it to you. Post your info and let people make their own choice regarding it.
What is funny I am responding more to you now in jest which seems to demonstrate your lack of comprehension or ignorance to the fact that no matter how hard you beat your chest it will not change anything. Every response to me you once again pedal your information as if I care.
So let me give you some simple facts from my perspective or the reality I live in. I am not vaccinated and do not feel there is enough science yet to determine how effective the current vaccinations are or if they have any serious side effects. I have seen information from medical professionals that say they are needed, maybe not as effective, possibly dangerous, etc.. From that in my opinion no one really has a clue and like TS said previously, the truth will come out eventually. But right now who knows and I do not really give two cents what you think or what rhetoric/propaganda you want to post.
I also do not trust the majority of the information that comes from our government or any organization that speaks on its behalf. Maybe I find myself cynical in that regard do to my past experiences and involvement but I digress.
I understand you will respond to this post because you can not resist which is why I find this, at least to this point, entertaining. You have come into a thread someone started about shaming unvaccinated students, yet you made every attempt to shame people who disagree with you. People responded to the thread and the plan laid out by the university, which the gist of the conversation at its deepest level dealt more with a person's choice and their right to determine what is best for them whether or not to get vaccinated. Yet you are trying to convince people and make their choice for them and if they do not agree with you, you attack them.
So in short you joined the thread as an opportunity to push your opinion. I do not care how valid the information you may have is, but it is still your opinion supported by what you feel is accurate/factual information. But carry on and it seems your agenda is not to give up. So if in your opinion I am running from this conversation sorry to disappoint you and enjoy in your quest for validation.
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all in all this was nothing more than another pathetic argument you tried to make based entirely on conflating facts with feelings
All your posts have been an attempt to convince people but yet the ones that do not believe you still try. Why if you are so correct why bother? Easy answer because you are seeking validation and no one has yet to give it to you. Post your info and let people make their own choice regarding it.
What is funny I am responding more to you now in jest which seems to demonstrate your lack of comprehension or ignorance to the fact that no matter how hard you beat your chest it will not change anything. Every response to me you once again pedal your information as if I care.
So let me give you some simple facts from my perspective or the reality I live in. I am not vaccinated and do not feel there is enough science yet to determine how effective the current vaccinations are or if they have any serious side effects. I have seen information from medical professionals that say they are needed, maybe not as effective, possibly dangerous, etc.. From that in my opinion no one really has a clue and like TS said previously, the truth will come out eventually. But right now who knows and I do not really give two cents what you think or what rhetoric/propaganda you want to post.
I also do not trust the majority of the information that comes from our government or any organization that speaks on its behalf. Maybe I find myself cynical in that regard do to my past experiences and involvement but I digress.
I understand you will respond to this post because you can not resist which is why I find this, at least to this point, entertaining. You have come into a thread someone started about shaming unvaccinated students, yet you made every attempt to shame people who disagree with you. People responded to the thread and the plan laid out by the university, which the gist of the conversation at its deepest level dealt more with a person's choice and their right to determine what is best for them whether or not to get vaccinated. Yet you are trying to convince people and make their choice for them and if they do not agree with you, you attack them.
So in short you joined the thread as an opportunity to push your opinion. I do not care how valid the information you may have is, but it is still your opinion supported by what you feel is accurate/factual information. But carry on and it seems your agenda is not to give up. So if in your opinion I am running from this conversation sorry to disappoint you and enjoy in your quest for validation.
Posted on 7/28/21 at 9:18 pm to TideWarrior
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All your posts have been an attempt to convince people but yet the ones that do not believe you still try. Why if you are so correct why bother? Easy answer because you are seeking validation and no one has yet to give it to you. Post your info and let people make their own choice regarding it.
no, i came here only to post the reality of the situation regarding how unproven, unaffective, and potentially dangerous the drugs are to the people who said they were ok with kids being shamed for not taking it. ive already posted to you the direct link from the actual clinical trials studies and results that proved my claims (along with a thorough walkthrough of it), and you continue to dismiss them for no reason, and based on nothing. why would i not respond to that?
the escalation only came yesterday by the same ones who want to shame kids after i posted facts about faucis gain of function research funding in that wuhan lab. they and still you continue to dismiss the facts ive listed that have long been provided to the public sphere in regards to the drugs testing and results by labeling them ''conspiracy'' ''opinion'' ''shaming'' and its a complete joke. sure, i had fun watching it at times but the only ones i ever actually ''shamed'' were the ones who wanted kids bullied. you think me shedding additional light on the subject in regards to VAERS reports and scientifically analyzed research by the most renown virologist in the world and many others is still ''shaming'' people who have joined the experiment then lord help you.
Posted on 7/28/21 at 9:31 pm to TideSaint
Posted on 7/28/21 at 10:20 pm to rushball
This message is only intended for the 10% or so who will see it and actually actively consume and consider its contents. The remaining 90% or so who choose to go on about their daily zombified, comfortable lives will have no idea what hit them when the world crumbles beneath their feet. Apathy and blissful ignorance have always been the downfall of men and civilizations, and history is about to "rhyme".
Children of tomorrow
I apologize to you
On behalf of those in my time
For the things we didn't do
We didn't stop the tyrants
So your fate could be prevented
We watched them steal our freedom
By our silence we consented
We didn't choose to circumvent
The doom you've not escaped
While the Bill of Rights was murdered
And the Constitution raped
Some of us were lazy
Others too afraid
To think about our children
The ones we have betrayed
I guess we were too busy
To be concerned or care
To try to ease the burden
Of the chains we made you wear
We could have been good shepherds
When the wolf got in the fold
But we watched the flame of freedom die instead
And left you cold.
I'm sorry we were timid
My selfish generation
We left you but a remnant
Of a free and prosperous nation
I'm sorry for our actions
Like cowards we behaved
We could have left you freedom
Instead you are enslaved
Children of tomorrow
Descendants of our land
I'm sorry we allowed this
The fate you now with stand.
Only for those with critical thinking skills
Children of tomorrow
I apologize to you
On behalf of those in my time
For the things we didn't do
We didn't stop the tyrants
So your fate could be prevented
We watched them steal our freedom
By our silence we consented
We didn't choose to circumvent
The doom you've not escaped
While the Bill of Rights was murdered
And the Constitution raped
Some of us were lazy
Others too afraid
To think about our children
The ones we have betrayed
I guess we were too busy
To be concerned or care
To try to ease the burden
Of the chains we made you wear
We could have been good shepherds
When the wolf got in the fold
But we watched the flame of freedom die instead
And left you cold.
I'm sorry we were timid
My selfish generation
We left you but a remnant
Of a free and prosperous nation
I'm sorry for our actions
Like cowards we behaved
We could have left you freedom
Instead you are enslaved
Children of tomorrow
Descendants of our land
I'm sorry we allowed this
The fate you now with stand.
Only for those with critical thinking skills
Posted on 7/28/21 at 11:39 pm to TideSaint
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But, new data shows vaccinated people may be able to transmit the Delta variant just as well as the unvaccinated.
And yet the vaccines are still very effective at preventing major effects and hospitalizations of the delta variant. You don't want the vax? Whatever. I still think you are an idiot and will feel zero sympathy for anyone that chooses not to get it and then dies from Covid. Zero.
Posted on 7/29/21 at 6:04 am to BamaDude06
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You don't want the vax? Whatever. I still think you are an idiot and will feel zero sympathy for anyone that chooses not to get it and then dies from Covid. Zero.
That's fine.
I'll just be here sitting pretty with my natural antibodies.
Posted on 7/29/21 at 6:53 am to BamaDude06
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And yet the vaccines are still very effective at preventing major effects and hospitalizations of the delta variant.
Very little data to back this statement up. Not much data either that shows the vax is significantly better than one's natural antibodies against Delta should they have already had the virus before. Anyone that tries to say there is, is just pushing a narrative.
Everyone should be allowed to choose to be vaccinated or not with the only true consequence being if you don't get it, and get Covid, you have to accept that you may have been able to prevent your own hospitalization/death. This public shaming, blame gaming, and all around secondary citizenship that's taking place for those that choose not to get a non-FDA approved vaccine...it's pretty disgusting.
I have sympathy for anyone that ends up in the hospital or legitimately dies from Covid whether they got vaxxed or not (because vaxxed ppl are dying too).
Posted on 7/29/21 at 8:05 am to HighTide_ATL
HighTide, give the poor fella a break. He heard it on his tee-vee, so it MUST be true!
Posted on 7/29/21 at 9:18 am to Bamatruther
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HighTide, give the poor fella a break. He heard it on his tee-vee, so it MUST be true!
You're not helping
Posted on 7/29/21 at 9:28 am to HighTide_ATL
Well excuse me. Reckon I'll just stick to my script of bring cold, unpleasant truths to the board.
Good day, sir.
Good day, sir.
Posted on 7/29/21 at 9:29 am to BamaDude06
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variant. You don't want the vax? Whatever. I still think you are an idiot and will feel zero sympathy for anyone that chooses not to get it and then dies from Covid. Zero.
COVID continues to reveal the truly awful among us. Thank you for unmasking yourself.
Posted on 7/29/21 at 11:41 am to HighTide_ATL
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Everyone should be allowed to choose to be vaccinated or not with the only true consequence being if you don't get it, and get Covid, you have to accept that you may have been able to prevent your own hospitalization/death. This public shaming, blame gaming, and all around secondary citizenship that's taking place for those that choose not to get a non-FDA approved vaccine...it's pretty disgusting.
Except several things wrong with this statement.
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to get a non-FDA approved vaccine
1) The FDA is in the process of approval for all the current vaccines out there except Johnson & Johnson who has yet to apply. Timeline is looking by Labor Day or sometime in September for the others.
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FDA official noted that as part of the emergency use authorization granted last year, the vaccines have already undergone a "thorough scientific evaluation" in order to "meet FDA's rigorous standards for safety, effectiveness, and manufacturing quality."
The FDA is going to approve what is already in use.
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Everyone should be allowed to choose to be vaccinated or not
2) Yes they should but the FDA will do the opposite of that.
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One of the top medical officials in the federal government says full approval also could lead to employers getting additional legal cover to mandate that their employees get vaccinated. "If it was approved with the full approval from FDA -- which we all anticipate may be coming pretty soon ... maybe in the next couple of months -- then the legal ability to mandate becomes a lot stronger," Dr. Francis Collins, director of the National Institutes of Health, said last week.
The White House has increased its outreach to business and civic leaders, some of whom have told administration officials that they will have more leverage to require vaccinations for employees after the FDA grants full approval.
Ken Langone, a co-founder of Home Depot who also serves as chairman of the board of trustees at NYU Langone Medical Center, believes there will be far less litigation if the vaccines are fully approved. "You get the FDA to say, 'It's final, it's approved,' and I can guarantee you all the places I'm involved in, if you don't get vaccinated you will get fired," Langone told CNBC on Wednesday. "You have an obligation to your fellow man to protect him as well as yourself."
All the FDA approval will do is give the government more control and provide liability protection to businesses who mandate that employees will be required or get fired. Also from everything I am reading it will prevent those who decide not to get vaccinated, unless they can prove medically it will harm them, the inability to draw unemployment.
A friend of mine that works in DC and pretty high up with the DoD recently told me once they get the FDA approval they will force all in the military as well.
So for those on the bandwagon of no FDA approval and it needed might want to rethink that as like the CDC the FDA is no better. But if you are willing to give the government more control over you so be it.
Posted on 7/29/21 at 11:45 am to TideWarrior
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New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo noted Wednesday that final approval of the Covid-19 vaccines would give states more legal authority to mandate vaccination.
"Under emergency use authorization states are limited as to what they can mandate," Cuomo said while addressing The Association for a Better New York at a virtual meeting. "Once the vaccine is finally approved, then the state has more legal authority to mandate the vaccine."
NY is not the only state that is looking to mandate it.
Posted on 7/29/21 at 11:51 am to rushball
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how is explaining what the clinical trial itself
Do any of those clinical trials explain how the vaccine alters one's DNA since you never answered that question earlier in the thread?
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