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re: UA back to school plan... Shame the unvaccinated kids
Posted on 7/29/21 at 12:15 pm to TideWarrior
Posted on 7/29/21 at 12:15 pm to TideWarrior
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NY is not the only state that is looking to mandate it.
Thank God I don't live there.
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Posted on 7/29/21 at 12:18 pm to The Spleen
SECFan, just a point of clarification for you. "Covid" isn't doing a dmaned thing to divide us, but the elites' entire dystopian SCAMDEMIC of "covid", left vs right, BLM, Antifa, racism, climate change et al has accomplished EXACTLY what is was intended to do. Keep the citizenry at one another's throats, and the public's attention focused away from where it should be -- on the soul-less human scum pulling the strings, enriching themselves even further, and grabbing what remaining crumbs of power still held by the individual.
"Look there, not over here."
PROBLEM ----> REACTION ----> SOLUTION. Lather, rinse, repeat.
"Look there, not over here."
PROBLEM ----> REACTION ----> SOLUTION. Lather, rinse, repeat.
This post was edited on 7/29/21 at 12:20 pm
Posted on 7/29/21 at 12:25 pm to TideSaint
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Thank God I don't live there.
I agree but what I am concerned with is states like where I live in NC(democratic controlled) that are possibly looking at requiring vaccination passports like NY, including for those traveling into the state. I was talking to someone in the athletic department yesterday and concerns there is it could prevent sports teams from traveling to play if not vaccinated instate and prevent teams from traveling outside to states not requiring it.
Posted on 7/29/21 at 12:27 pm to TideWarrior
Posted on 7/29/21 at 12:35 pm to TideWarrior
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I was talking to someone in the athletic department yesterday and concerns there is it could prevent sports teams from traveling to play if not vaccinated instate and prevent teams from traveling outside to states not requiring it.
I think I found your problem:
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where I live in NC(democratic controlled)
Posted on 7/29/21 at 12:44 pm to HighTide_ATL
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Everyone should be allowed to choose to be vaccinated or not with the only true consequence being if you don't get it, and get Covid, you have to accept that you may have been able to prevent your own hospitalization/death.
no, sadly thats not the only potential consequence. the jury is still far from decided on whether or not those whove taken the drug arent becoming an actual health risk to those who havent, let alone themselves. as ive said and provided many times, the clinical trial never actually tested for such things or in fact, much of anything, but one thing it definitely admitted to not proving prevention of, was death from the virus.
interesting point to note today, VAERS has been down all day. take of that what you will but its certainly news worthy. LINK
heres the data released yesterday for california, citing significant increases in covid cases in the highest jabbed cities, while drops in cities with fewer. LINK
luc montagnier (the most renown virologist in the world) specifically stated the mRNA injection is whats causing the variants (that ADE thing). now again, not saying hes right but his opinion certainly shouldnt be mocked. LINK
report including screenshots of the data showed from the cdc's meeting regarding the significant increase in heart conditions among youth due to the drug. LINK
much more to it obviously, but again the point im making is in reality we dont know the full scope of potential affects that can occur from the experiment. only more time and hopefully enough voices being heard to decipher what truly is or isnt true on the subject will tell, and hopefully me going ahead and posting direct links will prevent any attempted distractions from those who already have their minds made up.
Posted on 7/29/21 at 12:55 pm to rushball
rushball, concerning VAERS and vax deaths/injuries. You ain't seen nothin' yet. Stay tuned. CAVEAT: Of course, the "unvaccinated" and the "variants" will get the blame from the lapdog media and politicians. That goes without saying.
And the reported figures are somewhere between 1% and 10% of the actual numbers.
And the reported figures are somewhere between 1% and 10% of the actual numbers.
This post was edited on 7/29/21 at 12:57 pm
Posted on 7/29/21 at 1:04 pm to Bamatruther
I am aware thst this article is "off topic" but I couldn't resist posting it anyway. It should come as little surprise that this is happening, when the last decade+ has shown everyone that the only thing needed to make $$$ in the "markets" is: BUY THE F-ING DIPS!
Anyone surprised?
Anyone surprised?
Posted on 7/29/21 at 1:04 pm to Bamatruther
yea, thats a very real possibility that im afraid of.
Posted on 7/29/21 at 1:06 pm to TideWarrior
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Except several things wrong with this statement.
The "non-FDA approved" descriptor was only part of my statement, and not the overall point.
FDA approval aside, there is very little data that proves the vaccine will prevent you from the following long term:
A. getting covid
B. transmitting covid
C. being hospitalized from covid
D. dying from covid
Will it lower your chances? Maybe. Lower than if you already had the virus before? Not enough data to definitively claim this.
Do we know long term effects of this vaccine on our health? No, we don't. We can't possibly because it's relatively new.
There are some significant documented side effects of the various vaccines available, which is something that absolutely needs to be taken into account before electing both to be vaccinated, and which vaccine to get.
So again, if someone has bothered to look at the data vs simply listening to MSM, and they decide that they aren't one of the at-risk populations, they shouldn't be shamed or treated poorly for choosing to not get a vaccine that has very little data behind it to prove it's long term efficacy and safety. Obviously it's going to continue to happen because the vaccine has become monetized and politicized. However, choosing to participate in that type of behavior not only is polarizing and counter-productive, it is disgusting.
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Posted on 7/29/21 at 1:41 pm to HighTide_ATL
Some might call me crazy, but I would consider DEATH to be a 'significant documented side effect". In fact, I might even call it just an "effect".
If the same(or much fewer) "adverse effects" had been applied to this "vaccine" as all previous ones in US history, it would have been stopped months ago. EUA, indeed!
If the same(or much fewer) "adverse effects" had been applied to this "vaccine" as all previous ones in US history, it would have been stopped months ago. EUA, indeed!
Posted on 7/29/21 at 1:59 pm to Bamatruther
Look, the thread has it's quota of rabid anti-vax Trump supporting conspiracy theorists.
You literally started a new profile to spout unnecessary, inflammatory rhetoric in a mostly civil conversation. You're either an alter and you're trolling, or someone ITT directed you here to stir shite up. Zero percent chance you happened across this thread organically lol
You literally started a new profile to spout unnecessary, inflammatory rhetoric in a mostly civil conversation. You're either an alter and you're trolling, or someone ITT directed you here to stir shite up. Zero percent chance you happened across this thread organically lol
This post was edited on 7/29/21 at 2:02 pm
Posted on 7/29/21 at 2:03 pm to Bamatruther
Covid “discussions” never fail to deliver 
Posted on 7/29/21 at 2:33 pm to HighTide_ATL
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FDA approval aside, there is very little data that proves the vaccine will prevent you from the following long term:
A. getting covid
B. transmitting covid
C. being hospitalized from covid
D. dying from covid
I never supported the use of the vaccine in this thread and have stated not enough data one way or another. My point was not just you but others have stated it is not FDA approved yet, but that makes a weak argument because that is all but a formality at this point.
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So again, if someone has bothered to look at the data vs simply listening to MSM, and they decide that they aren't one of the at-risk populations, they shouldn't be shamed or treated poorly for choosing to not get a vaccine that has very little data behind it to prove it's long term efficacy and safety. Obviously it's going to continue to happen because the vaccine has become monetized and politicized. However, choosing to participate in that type of behavior not only is polarizing and counter-productive, it is disgusting.
The original thread was created because someone(I assume has a child attending) feels the new plan adopted by UA is shaming students who have not been vaccinated. I would guess the majority of the students who are attending this fall whether they were vaccinated or not have no clue or have done any research in regards to data to vaccinate or not vaccinate. But again the college is not requiring it and it is still up to the individual to make their own choice which many in this thread seem to forget.
In regards to your comment you are also assuming people choosing to get the vaccine only because they get their info from a media outlet. Why are so many so quick when defending their side automatically assume the other side's belief/opinion can not come from a credible source? Why are some so determined what they believe to be the truth can not be denied?
No offense but isn't ironic that a thread started about shaming has become if you do not agree with the anti-vax data you are a fool so we will shame you, even though the anti-vax posters came in here to defend the supposed shaming by the university.
But in the end UA was not shaming anyone nor were they forcing a choice. Poorly written in regards to the language used yes but not anything different done throughout the rest of the country and in some situations less.
I guess my issue is to many have come in here to do exactly what the thread was concerned about only to do it as well. One poster in particular has been aggressive, called people names, and continue to attack anyone that will not agree with him.
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So again, if someone has bothered to look at the data vs simply listening to MSM, and they decide that they aren't one of the at-risk populations, they shouldn't be shamed or treated poorly
So again if someone feels being vaccinated is what is best for them, which is their choice, they should not be shamed or treated poorly either.
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However, choosing to participate in that type of behavior not only is polarizing and counter-productive, it is disgusting.
Exactly but yet both sides are doing it.
A logical discussion even debate can be productive but both sides have to be willing once they present their information to allow the other time to read/comprehend it and make their own choice. But a few in here believe their info is the only info that is accurate and that you must adhere to them and accept what they tell you.
Posted on 7/29/21 at 3:17 pm to TideWarrior
Let me start by saying that you and I aren't necessarily disagreeing here. While I responded to you, some of what I say is just in general. It's not me arguing against you. Just making that clear.
I'm not saying you supported it. I'm just clarifying my statement. The vaccine isn't FDA approved. That's not the sole point of emphasis, it's just a fact. If someone is hinging their entire decision not to get it on that, I agree they're just delaying the inevitable and might as well just get it.
Why are people that way? Because they want to win. They want to be right and the other side to be wrong.
I'm not saying those that chose to get it only listen to the MSM, nor am I saying those that choose not to get it are the only ones that have read the data (or vice versa). I'm saying if you made your decision based off MSM alone (or even just mostly), I find that to be a gamble, and personally I recommend re-evaluating your decision making process because those sources are not only flawed but demonstrably untrustworthy.
You're responding to me, so I can't tell if this is aimed at me or not. I'm assuming it is though due to the "no offense" preface.
While there are definitely people in here shaming those that don't believe anti-vax information, that's not my objective. Just making sure that's clear. Most of what I say ITT, is in response to people shaming those for not getting the vaccine. I don't think UA is doing that, however I would be disappointed if I see that take place.
That individual is just as much part of the problem as those that shame the unvaxxed.
100% agree
And they'll continue to do it because American society has been increasingly polarized over the last couple decades, exponentially so since the introduction of current social media platforms. Not sure what will help establish a legitimate change. I have zero faith in the current President or his administration to help this at all, and genuinely feel like they'll just make it worse.
Just to be clear, that's not an endorsement of Trump either.
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I never supported the use of the vaccine in this thread and have stated not enough data one way or another. My point was not just you but others have stated it is not FDA approved yet, but that makes a weak argument because that is all but a formality at this point.
I'm not saying you supported it. I'm just clarifying my statement. The vaccine isn't FDA approved. That's not the sole point of emphasis, it's just a fact. If someone is hinging their entire decision not to get it on that, I agree they're just delaying the inevitable and might as well just get it.
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In regards to your comment you are also assuming people choosing to get the vaccine only because they get their info from a media outlet. Why are so many so quick when defending their side automatically assume the other side's belief/opinion can not come from a credible source? Why are some so determined what they believe to be the truth can not be denied?
Why are people that way? Because they want to win. They want to be right and the other side to be wrong.
I'm not saying those that chose to get it only listen to the MSM, nor am I saying those that choose not to get it are the only ones that have read the data (or vice versa). I'm saying if you made your decision based off MSM alone (or even just mostly), I find that to be a gamble, and personally I recommend re-evaluating your decision making process because those sources are not only flawed but demonstrably untrustworthy.
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No offense but isn't ironic that a thread started about shaming has become if you do not agree with the anti-vax data you are a fool so we will shame you, even though the anti-vax posters came in here to defend the supposed shaming by the university.
You're responding to me, so I can't tell if this is aimed at me or not. I'm assuming it is though due to the "no offense" preface.
While there are definitely people in here shaming those that don't believe anti-vax information, that's not my objective. Just making sure that's clear. Most of what I say ITT, is in response to people shaming those for not getting the vaccine. I don't think UA is doing that, however I would be disappointed if I see that take place.
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One poster in particular has been aggressive, called people names, and continue to attack anyone that will not agree with him.
That individual is just as much part of the problem as those that shame the unvaxxed.
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So again if someone feels being vaccinated is what is best for them, which is their choice, they should not be shamed or treated poorly either.
100% agree
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Exactly but yet both sides are doing it.
And they'll continue to do it because American society has been increasingly polarized over the last couple decades, exponentially so since the introduction of current social media platforms. Not sure what will help establish a legitimate change. I have zero faith in the current President or his administration to help this at all, and genuinely feel like they'll just make it worse.
Just to be clear, that's not an endorsement of Trump either.
This post was edited on 7/29/21 at 3:21 pm
Posted on 7/29/21 at 5:54 pm to HighTide_ATL
"Look, the thread has it's(sic) quota of rabid anti-vax Trump supporting conspiracy theorists."
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That has to be the most stereotyped, unoriginal rebuttals in this or any other such debate. First, I don't support ANY politicians. They are all lying crooks on their best days. Secondly, my position is not even remotely about "vaccines", because this thing is so much bigger than covid/vaccines it is beyond comprehension for most people. Finally, only time will tell if what I have posted becomes "conspiracy FACT", or not.
What I can say is that around about April/May 2020, mandatory vaxxes/passports and the like were merely delusional fantasies of those right-wing "conspiracy theorists". Well, what say ye now? What if I were to "predict" some sort of major outage of the internet/power grid within the next 3-6 months(maybe sooner), eventually leading to and ushering in of global CBDCs(Central Bank Digital Currencies", and all manner of dystopian "security" and surveillance measures, along with millions of people dying from (supposedly) "covid" and massive food inflation and shortages? Because I AM predicting it right here and now. It's coming, and when it does, you can shove your weak "conspiracy theory" prattle you-know-where.
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That has to be the most stereotyped, unoriginal rebuttals in this or any other such debate. First, I don't support ANY politicians. They are all lying crooks on their best days. Secondly, my position is not even remotely about "vaccines", because this thing is so much bigger than covid/vaccines it is beyond comprehension for most people. Finally, only time will tell if what I have posted becomes "conspiracy FACT", or not.
What I can say is that around about April/May 2020, mandatory vaxxes/passports and the like were merely delusional fantasies of those right-wing "conspiracy theorists". Well, what say ye now? What if I were to "predict" some sort of major outage of the internet/power grid within the next 3-6 months(maybe sooner), eventually leading to and ushering in of global CBDCs(Central Bank Digital Currencies", and all manner of dystopian "security" and surveillance measures, along with millions of people dying from (supposedly) "covid" and massive food inflation and shortages? Because I AM predicting it right here and now. It's coming, and when it does, you can shove your weak "conspiracy theory" prattle you-know-where.
Posted on 7/29/21 at 5:55 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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but I'm not sure how any student of history looks at America in 2021 and doesn't see the Roman Republic of the last 100-200 years BC.
Glad you brought this up. Washington did call the US the Rome of the new age. What is mighty must survive complacency and corruption. Rome could not, and it doesn't help they recruited a lot of Legions who were not Roman.
Posted on 7/29/21 at 6:01 pm to The Spleen
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Good. They need to be shamed.
Besides the obvious facts of the vaccine, it's issues, unknown issues, strengths etc. I lost a good friend of mine due to the vaccine. It was terrible. About 7,000 people have died from the vaccine in the US according to the CDC. I had Covid, I survived, and I do not plan to get the Vaccine. People cling to the Vaccine, just like they did masks.
The CDC even had a study on the masks and how they frankly do not work as well as they could because you guessed it, people are involved. Constantly touching their face, adjusting the mask, not cleaning them etc.
Another issue with Covid and is really something I haven't seen brought up in here. Covid is not that deadly, compared to other Pandemics and the like during times of much higher death rates and less medical care.
Posted on 7/29/21 at 6:06 pm to CrimsonBoz
Posted on 7/29/21 at 6:28 pm to Bamatruther
I think this thread has run it's course.
Having a heated debate about a highly controversial subject is welcome here as evidenced by the length of this thread.
Having said that, Boz and I went back through all the posts and there are definitely some concerning posts that don't have a place here.
We aren't pointing fingers. There are multiple comments from both sides that crossed the line.
We feel locking the thread is the best course of action instead of banning people for their opinions.
We've both made our thoughts on the subject widely known, but at the end of the day we are all (mostly) Alabama fans and what makes this board truly great is how passionate we are for the University of Alabama.
Roll Tide.
Having a heated debate about a highly controversial subject is welcome here as evidenced by the length of this thread.
Having said that, Boz and I went back through all the posts and there are definitely some concerning posts that don't have a place here.
We aren't pointing fingers. There are multiple comments from both sides that crossed the line.
We feel locking the thread is the best course of action instead of banning people for their opinions.
We've both made our thoughts on the subject widely known, but at the end of the day we are all (mostly) Alabama fans and what makes this board truly great is how passionate we are for the University of Alabama.
Roll Tide.
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