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Posted on 2/23/23 at 8:58 am to
Posted by Teague
The Shoals, AL
Member since Aug 2007
22277 posts
Posted on 2/23/23 at 8:58 am to
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will Miller put this team on his back and take them to the finals?


I hope not, I hope it continues to be, last night not withstanding, a very deep team with lots of contributors.
Posted by paperwasp
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Posted on 2/23/23 at 9:05 am to
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a young Danny Manning

Danny and the Miracles
Posted by Goombaw
Kentucky
Member since Jan 2013
6328 posts
Posted on 2/23/23 at 9:37 am to
Here’s the rest of the article.
quote:

Where does Brandon Miller go to get his reputation back?

It won’t be on the basketball court, even when he scores 41 points as he did Wednesday, with one driving layup to force overtime and another to win the game. When Miller stepped into his sanctuary at South Carolina, he was greeted by craven chants of “Lock him up.”

On what charge? On what evidence? If his attorney’s statement is correct, Miller did not commit either of the damning acts suggested at the preliminary hearing. He did not meet up with Miles in response to Miles’ text to deliver Miles’ gun, which sat hidden in the back seat of Miller’s car, because Miller “was already on the way” when that text was sent. Nor did he park his car to block the exit of the Jeep in which Jamea Harris sat because he had already arrived and parked “when the Jeep pulled up behind him.”

One life already has been lost. Why try to throw away another before even hearing Miller’s side of the story? It would have been wiser, and it will remain so unless facts dictate otherwise, to stand on innocent until proven guilty in a moral and ethical sense as well as a legal one.

Alabama, in possession of far more facts than any of its detractors, has supported Miller by keeping him on the team, on the floor and in the lineup since the tragedy. While major college programs often tilt the scale toward winning over doing the right thing, no convincing case has been made on social media or elsewhere that school officials would have been justified in suspending the freshman, let alone dismissing him.

On what charge? On what evidence? If his attorney’s statement is correct, Miller did not commit either of the damning acts suggested at the preliminary hearing. He did not meet up with Miles in response to Miles’ text to deliver Miles’ gun, which sat hidden in the back seat of Miller’s car, because Miller “was already on the way” when that text was sent. Nor did he park his car to block the exit of the Jeep in which Jamea Harris sat because he had already arrived and parked “when the Jeep pulled up behind him.”

One life already has been lost. Why try to throw away another before even hearing Miller’s side of the story? It would have been wiser, and it will remain so unless facts dictate otherwise, to stand on innocent until proven guilty in a moral and ethical sense as well as a legal one.

Alabama, in possession of far more facts than any of its detractors, has supported Miller by keeping him on the team, on the floor and in the lineup since the tragedy. While major college programs often tilt the scale toward winning over doing the right thing, no convincing case has been made on social media or elsewhere that school officials would have been justified in suspending the freshman, let alone dismissing him.

On what charge? On what evidence? If his attorney’s statement is correct, Miller did not commit either of the damning acts suggested at the preliminary hearing. He did not meet up with Miles in response to Miles’ text to deliver Miles’ gun, which sat hidden in the back seat of Miller’s car, because Miller “was already on the way” when that text was sent. Nor did he park his car to block the exit of the Jeep in which Jamea Harris sat because he had already arrived and parked “when the Jeep pulled up behind him.”

One life already has been lost. Why try to throw away another before even hearing Miller’s side of the story? It would have been wiser, and it will remain so unless facts dictate otherwise, to stand on innocent until proven guilty in a moral and ethical sense as well as a legal one.

Alabama, in possession of far more facts than any of its detractors, has supported Miller by keeping him on the team, on the floor and in the lineup since the tragedy. While major college programs often tilt the scale toward winning over doing the right thing, no convincing case has been made on social media or elsewhere that school officials would have been justified in suspending the freshman, let alone dismissing him.

In a 20-minute interview Wednesday with ESPN’s Rece Davis and Pete Thamel for their College GameDay podcast, Alabama AD Greg Byrne said the school knew within a day of the shooting that Miller and teammate Jaden Bradley had been at the scene. Hindsight shows that Alabama should have shared that information with the public ahead of the preliminary hearing. The school’s silence on that point allowed Miller to become a public villain Tuesday. Despite his lawyer’s strong statement a day later, the original accusation almost always makes a far greater impression.

There are other legitimate fingers to point at Nate Oats and Alabama and their performance this week. The school allowed its head coach to meet the media per usual Tuesday, knowing the preliminary hearing was taking place but not briefing him on the testimony to that point. That was an obvious mistake, as was Oats’ decision to not ask for an update and his shockingly cavalier statement that Miller’s presence at the scene was a case of “wrong spot at the wrong time.”

At least that was the widespread perception of Oats’ words a day before anyone had heard from Miller’s attorney. The attorney’s statement indicates that what Oats said was not terribly far from the truth. He was excoriated for it from coast to coast, but until that moment, Oats generally had said all the right things since the shooting.

As Byrne said, “I’d actually been pleased up until that point about Nate’s empathy through this in trying to manage a very difficult situation.”

The difficulty remains, day by day, in different ways, for so many people. First and foremost, for the family of Jamea Harris, and in a lesser but no less real context, for Miller, Oats, Byrne, Alabama basketball and the university itself. Two other men stand accused of capital murder. There are still questions to be answered, and justice to be served.

Justice in the memory of Miss Harris is not served by slandering anyone with suggestive half-truths in support of reckless conclusions. Better we do what Darius Miles and Michael Davis allegedly, tragically did not do on that fateful night. Step back. Stand down. Do not add to the damage done.

Shockingly rational take from Scrabinsky.
Posted by Chadaristic
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 2/23/23 at 9:52 am to
Thank you for posting.
Posted by Dolphin1
Madison, AL
Member since Mar 2018
157 posts
Posted on 2/23/23 at 9:54 am to
Is there anyone interested in two tickets for the Arkansas game Saturday?
Posted by Bamafan18
Member since Oct 2018
3693 posts
Posted on 2/23/23 at 9:59 am to
How much
Posted by JIB
Member since Sep 2013
2627 posts
Posted on 2/23/23 at 10:00 am to
These kids these days don't use phones to talk, so I would assume all communication between Miles and Miller was via text, which they have.

To me, the tricky thing is if Miller wasn't on his way to Miles before Miles texted him. If Miller was already on his way and then Miles texted him about the gun it looks bad, but isn't criminal. If Miller was already on the way to get him when the text was sent, it had no impact of Miller's actions, so he's 100% in the clear.
Posted by McGregor
Member since Feb 2011
7056 posts
Posted on 2/23/23 at 10:16 am to
SEC Tournament schedule .... if the regular season ended today


Wednesday, March 8
Game 1: 12-seed South Carolina vs. 13-seed Ole Miss
Game 2: 11-seed Mississippi State vs. 14-seed LSU

Thursday, March 9
Game 3: 8-seed Arkansas vs. 9-seed Florida
Game 4: 5-seed Auburn vs. Game 1 winner
Game 5: 7-seed Vanderbilt vs. 10-seed Georgia
Game 6: 6-seed Missouri vs. Game 2 winner

Friday, March 10
Game 7: 1-seed Alabama vs. Game 3 winner
Game 8: 4-seed Tennessee vs. Game 4 winner
Game 9: 2-seed Texas A&M vs. Game 5 winner
Game 10: 3-seed Kentucky vs. Game 6 winner

Saturday, March 11
Game 11: Game 7 winner vs. Game 8 winner
Game 12: Game 9 winner vs. Game 10 winner

Sunday, March 12
Championship Game: Game 11 winner vs. Game 12 winner
Posted by Goombaw
Kentucky
Member since Jan 2013
6328 posts
Posted on 2/23/23 at 10:17 am to
By the way, not sure if this was mentioned during the game, but looks like Alabama had another underwhelming performance last night using the Wilson EVO NXT ball.

It’s an ugly ball, too, way too orange. Hope Oats can get them some significant practice time with the ball before the tourney.
Posted by Teague
The Shoals, AL
Member since Aug 2007
22277 posts
Posted on 2/23/23 at 10:21 am to
Assuming Scarbinsky wasn't one of the hundreds making wild comments earlier, then kudos to him for writing that.
Posted by Sauron
Birmingham
Member since Dec 2015
1100 posts
Posted on 2/23/23 at 10:31 am to
McElroy and Cubelic had Pat Forde on this morning. I had thought Forde would be a bit more of a rational example among the national pundits, but I was wrong.

He doubled down on saying Alabama handled this poorly from the outset, and that Miller should have been suspended "for at least a couple of games." However, he didn't really specify why he felt that way, other than to say Miller "showed poor judgment."

It's obvious many of these folks just will not let go of their incorrect assumptions made on Tuesday, despite all evidence to the contrary.
This post was edited on 2/23/23 at 1:59 pm
Posted by Chadaristic
Member since Jan 2011
41017 posts
Posted on 2/23/23 at 10:35 am to
You should have known what side of the argument Forde was going to be on.
Posted by Teague
The Shoals, AL
Member since Aug 2007
22277 posts
Posted on 2/23/23 at 10:36 am to
They've already gone full stupid. It's very difficult to admit that and do a 180. As others come out defending the actual truth, the clowns will just discreetly shut up and try to change the subject rather than admit they were wrong. They'll have a few "but Oats said something slightly wrong" takes for a while, but mostly they'll just pipe down and try to talk about something else.
This post was edited on 2/23/23 at 10:49 am
Posted by bamatide07
Member since Jan 2019
5922 posts
Posted on 2/23/23 at 10:38 am to
Forde is a joke. He is yet another media blowhard that wants to sensationalize things without looking at the facts. He wrote articles ten years ago about Auburn having NCAA penalties under Chizik and nothing ever materialized from his Yahoo ! articles.
Posted by bamatide07
Member since Jan 2019
5922 posts
Posted on 2/23/23 at 10:39 am to
The two commentators on ESPN2 postgame last night had me fuming. Those guys are chumps.
Posted by CapstoneGrad06
Little Rock
Member since Nov 2008
73361 posts
Posted on 2/23/23 at 10:45 am to
I had to turn the game off at halftime and just follow online. Just couldn’t take the commentary on ESPN2.
Posted by Pastor Mike
Florida
Member since Dec 2020
7004 posts
Posted on 2/23/23 at 10:51 am to
quote:

yet another media blowhard that wants to sensationalize things without looking at the facts


That's ALL media
Posted by Robot Santa
Member since Oct 2009
46345 posts
Posted on 2/23/23 at 10:55 am to
quote:


They've already gone full stupid. It's very difficult to admit that and do a 180. As others come out defending the actual truth, the clowns will just discreetly shut up and try to change the subject rather than admit they were wrong. They'll have a few "but Oats said something slightly wrong" takes for a while, but mostly they'll just pipe down and try to talk about something else.


Yep. Narrative is going to shift to criticizing Oats and the school and then go away. They jumped to conclusions, but will never admit it. Lacking credibility isn't a barrier to media people. Admitting they lack credibility is.
Posted by Canyon16
Muscle Shoals
Member since Nov 2017
3857 posts
Posted on 2/23/23 at 11:00 am to
I muted the TV. Listened to Chris Stewart's call of the game.
I'm looking forward to Saturday's game vs Arkansas. Our guards played poorly last night. Gotta get focused, play with confidence against a hungry/motivated/looking for payback Razorback team.
Posted by TideCPA
Member since Jan 2012
14108 posts
Posted on 2/23/23 at 11:04 am to
quote:

He doubled down on saying Alabama handled this poorly from the outset, and that Miller should have been suspended "for at least a couple of games." However, he didn't really specify why he felt that way, other than to say Miller "showed poor judgment."
This is exactly what I pointed out the other day. National pundits, fueled by opposing fans and a clickbait-y headline, have built Miller up to be responsible for a murder by making it sound like he delivered a handgun to the assailant Uber-style while intentionally blocking the exit of the victim so they couldn't escape.

It's arguable that suspending him for a game or two would have actually caused MORE backlash at this point, because the narrative would be "Miller was an accessory to a murder and caused the death of a young woman, and Oats thought the appropriate punishment was a TWO GAME SUSPENSION?!? I'M VERY OFFENDED!"

There's nothing Alabama could have done other than shut down the basketball program and fire everyone that would appease the Clay Travises of the world, so there's no use in trying to do so at this point.
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