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Posted on 3/6/23 at 1:39 pm to
Posted by DT55Forever1
Member since Jan 2018
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Posted on 3/6/23 at 1:39 pm to
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Brandon Miller - SEC Player of the Year, Freshman of the Year, First Team, Freshman Team


Nice that he got the recognition he deserved this time.
Posted by elposter
Member since Dec 2010
26699 posts
Posted on 3/6/23 at 1:47 pm to
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but this team quite easily has the most upside of any team we've ever had.


Probably right since I believe this is the first 1 seed we've ever had. BUT there are a couple other teams that I think could give it a run in terms of potential (obviously looking past the different eras, different type athlete differences).

The 87 team with McKey, Ansley, Farmer, Coner, etc

The 76 team with Reggie King and Leon Douglas (before my time but they were clearly legit national title good).

And I'm partial to those 1990, 1991. 1992 teams because this was always the team I remember most from my youth.
This post was edited on 3/6/23 at 2:50 pm
Posted by Alabama_Fan
The Road Less Traveled
Member since Sep 2020
16401 posts
Posted on 3/6/23 at 1:48 pm to
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FOX College Hoops@CBBonFOX·2m

The @SEC Player of the Year: @AlabamaMBB's Brandon Miller!


Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105802 posts
Posted on 3/6/23 at 1:53 pm to


Stats since Brandon stuff came out (last 4 games).

- obviously the 3PT numbers jump out - nobody > 30% and Nimari and Rylan 1/23 (while also being the 2 guys who take the most 3s per possession). Throw in Clowney and the 3 of them are 3 for their last 35 (8.6%).

- Mark has a TO rate of 19.6 and an assist rate of 5.8. That is really bad.

- Jaden is 3/12 on shots at the rim and 3/16 on 2s overall. That is also really bad.

- We have been able to win 3/4 because Clowney/Chuck/Pringle have defended the rim beautifully and rebounded the heck out of the well.

- Rylan, Bradley and Burnett both cant make a shot and are all turning the ball over at a 25+% clip (they turn it over 1 of every 4 possessions they handle it). You can't win basketball games like that.

- Sears, Griffen, Bradley and Burnett cannot all be sub-replacement level players for us in March. We have to have at least 2 of those guys get back in the groove.
This post was edited on 3/6/23 at 2:02 pm
Posted by JustGetItRight
Member since Jan 2012
16164 posts
Posted on 3/6/23 at 1:56 pm to
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Hopefully this is a sign that, while they'll never apologize, the media has collectively realized they jumped to a lot of horrible conclusions based on a set of very incomplete facts.


Nah, this one is given by the coaches. You’re not going to see a reporter admit they were wrong.
Posted by Joka2kold
Member since Nov 2019
6151 posts
Posted on 3/6/23 at 1:59 pm to
I wasn't! My bad for not clarifying it
Posted by Joka2kold
Member since Nov 2019
6151 posts
Posted on 3/6/23 at 2:03 pm to
I got a problem with that.

3 Freshman starting and we won 26 games with those 3 being HUGE reasons why.

That's CRAZY.

It doesn't matter who they get...there's nobody in the country that has 3 Freshman in their starting lineups.
Posted by BigBird09
Member since May 2012
6083 posts
Posted on 3/6/23 at 2:04 pm to
Miller has dropped off a lot in the past 2 games. It's almost like he feeds off the negative attention, and now that a lot of it has died down, he's not been as locked in on offense. Has been nice to see him much more locked in defensively to make up for it though.
Posted by Bryant91092
Member since Dec 2009
25588 posts
Posted on 3/6/23 at 2:08 pm to
I’m not one to be optimistic, but that’s why I’m still not overly concerned about our March run yet. I can’t see that group of 4 guards all continuing to suck the remainder of the year. At least a couple are going to snap out of it soon.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105802 posts
Posted on 3/6/23 at 2:10 pm to
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I’m not one to be optimistic, but that’s why I’m still not overly concerned about our March run yet. I can’t see that group of 4 guards all continuing to suck the remainder of the year. At least a couple are going to snap out of it soon.


Agree - and we've now shown what our floor is the last 4 games..... basically a tight 2nd round game (depending on opponent) and a close game vs a 4/5 seed in the Sweet 16.

That's how we've played the last 3 games, and we've shot as badly as we can shoot. So.....I mean the floor could be a whole helluva lot lower.

Then you start saying "ok, 1 guy starts making shots. What about 2? How about 3?". It's possible nobody does, but the odds are somebody does.
This post was edited on 3/6/23 at 2:12 pm
Posted by Alabama_Fan
The Road Less Traveled
Member since Sep 2020
16401 posts
Posted on 3/6/23 at 2:16 pm to
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Here are the top 50 teams in KenPom efficiency’s offensive and defensive efficiencies if they only played in road games this season. Very important to look at as no games in the NCAA tournament are played at home.


Posted by BigBird09
Member since May 2012
6083 posts
Posted on 3/6/23 at 2:18 pm to
One thing Miller will like in the NBA: the freedom of movement he'll have off-ball.

I have never seen a player held more without it being called. I remember maybe 3-4 of those calls all season and they were all wrap ups or resulted in him falling down. It happens every other half-court possession. Davis would have been fouled out in 5 minutes in our first game.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105802 posts
Posted on 3/6/23 at 2:19 pm to
Our defense and rebounding make us a difficult out even when we cannot make an open shot to save our lives.

2 years ago we defended but we weren't a great rebounding team and we weren't as efficient a team at the rim. This year we are all of those.
Posted by IB4bama
Pelham
Member since Oct 2017
2251 posts
Posted on 3/6/23 at 2:19 pm to
A writer for the Pittsburg Post Gazette (Paul Zeise) wrote an article last week about Alabama and Miller. A couple of quotes: " Some of the criticism of some of the things Oats said are fair, most of it however is going to be way-over-the-top shrieking by a lot of people who are ignorant---and many willfully ignorant--of the actual facts of the case".
Then he went down the facts of the case, and said "Those are the facts and given those facts, everyone calling for Miller to be suspended or kicked off the team, everyone acting lick Oats and or Alabama are immoral and dont care that a young woman lost her life is being disingenuous and intellectually dishonest at best and utterly ridiculous at worst.

Good way to summarized Goodman. Disingenuous and intellectually dishonest. Willfully ignorant.
Posted by VaBamaMan
North AL
Member since Apr 2013
8300 posts
Posted on 3/6/23 at 2:20 pm to
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Rylan, Bradley and Burnett both cant make a shot and are all turning the ball over at a 25+% clip (they turn it over 1 of every 4 possessions they handle it). You can't win basketball games like that.

- Sears, Griffen, Bradley and Burnett cannot all be sub-replacement level players for us in March. We have to have at least 2 of those guys get back in the groove


Gurley should get some minutes back. He is a good defender, and has hit clutch 3s when he gets minutes. He can also get his own baskets with his back to the rim, something Clowney and Bediako struggle with.

He's a guy we will need in March. I understand why he was pushed out of the rotation, but all of the guys who pushed him have regressed.

And Gurley had mostly cleaned up his turnovers.
This post was edited on 3/6/23 at 2:21 pm
Posted by bamatide07
Member since Jan 2019
5922 posts
Posted on 3/6/23 at 2:22 pm to
Pringle has played well when got minutes, too.
Posted by TheNameIsDalton
Huntsville
Member since Mar 2021
1542 posts
Posted on 3/6/23 at 2:23 pm to
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Glad Miller just won SEC POTY and Freshman of the year.



I'm pleasantly surprised by this. When Miller was robbed for Player of the Week and then the Wooden award nomination, I was thinking a bad snowball effect was in place but hopefully he can ride this momentum for the rest of award season.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105802 posts
Posted on 3/6/23 at 2:23 pm to
Pringle rebounds and defends pretty well, but outside of lob dunks he's not much of an offensive threat. Chuck is very underappreciated at his ball handling and ability to catch tough passes in traffic.

But yea Pringle has certainly given us solid minutes when needed.
This post was edited on 3/6/23 at 2:24 pm
Posted by BigBird09
Member since May 2012
6083 posts
Posted on 3/6/23 at 2:27 pm to
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One thing Miller will like in the NBA: the freedom of movement he'll have off-ball.

I have never seen a player held more without it being called. I remember maybe 3-4 of those calls all season and they were all wrap ups or resulted in him falling down. It happens every other half-court possession. Davis would have been fouled out in 5 minutes in our first game.



And then they have the gall to call him for the following push-off on the defender who has had their hands all over him the entire possession. It pretty much confirms that it's not being missed, but is simply being allowed by officials.
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
23199 posts
Posted on 3/6/23 at 2:29 pm to
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Stats since Brandon stuff came out (last 4 games).

- obviously the 3PT numbers jump out - nobody > 30% and Nimari and Rylan 1/23 (while also being the 2 guys who take the most 3s per possession). Throw in Clowney and the 3 of them are 3 for their last 35 (8.6%).

- Mark has a TO rate of 19.6 and an assist rate of 5.8. That is really bad.

- Jaden is 3/12 on shots at the rim and 3/16 on 2s overall. That is also really bad.

- We have been able to win 3/4 because Clowney/Chuck/Pringle have defended the rim beautifully and rebounded the heck out of the well.

- Rylan, Bradley and Burnett both cant make a shot and are all turning the ball over at a 25+% clip (they turn it over 1 of every 4 possessions they handle it). You can't win basketball games like that.

- Sears, Griffen, Bradley and Burnett cannot all be sub-replacement level players for us in March. We have to have at least 2 of those guys get back in the groove.

Thank you for posting this.

I don't know if its just tribalism or what but there are lot of Bama fans who haven't wanted to acknowledge how bad the team has played since the media frenzy hit.

I'd guess the team has dropped from ~35% to 25% in 3P% and the PG play has fallen off a cliff from an assist and turnover standpoint.

You can get away with sloppy turnovers if you are hitting threes at a high rate, but if you combine that with sub 30% outside shooting its almost a guarantee you are going to lose in a tournament setting.

The only reason Bama hasn't lost more games is that Brandon Miller is good enough to drag this team to wins and JQ has shown his old explosiveness in getting to the basket in late game situations once the team accepts they aren't going to hit threes.
This post was edited on 3/6/23 at 2:33 pm
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