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Thinking about the Ray Perkins hire
Posted on 12/19/23 at 10:31 am
Posted on 12/19/23 at 10:31 am
That turned out to be a very poor hire. I think ultimately it was because any success Perkins had at the NFL level was because he had Bill Parcells on his staff. I admit the cupboard wasn’t completely full when Bear was done, but Perkins certainly didn’t help matters.
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Posted on 12/19/23 at 10:33 am to RECConspiracy
He recruited well though. Left a lot of great players for Bill Curry.
Posted on 12/19/23 at 11:57 am to RECConspiracy
I think Perkins would have done well if he had stayed.
Posted on 12/19/23 at 12:15 pm to IB4bama
He was recruiting like crazy. He was not very personable. Not very well liked.
I think he caught way too much flack for removing the tower Coach Bryant used to overlook practice.
It was a bit of a stop gap hire in retrospect and following a legend like Coach Bryant was almost a no win situation with all the meddling from prominent boosters.
I think he caught way too much flack for removing the tower Coach Bryant used to overlook practice.
It was a bit of a stop gap hire in retrospect and following a legend like Coach Bryant was almost a no win situation with all the meddling from prominent boosters.
Posted on 12/19/23 at 12:33 pm to 1loyalbamafan
Ray would have gotten a title if he had remained at Bama. The 85 and 86 teams were good. That 86 team, outside the Penn St. game. They should have won every game. Still have a issue with that Penn St game. Bama went up 3-0 and were driving to score again and fumbled.Then Penn St just man handled them the rest of the game
This post was edited on 12/19/23 at 3:24 pm
Posted on 12/19/23 at 12:51 pm to Legba007
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Bama went up 3-0 and were driving to score again and fumbled.Then Penn St just man handled them the rest of the game
Was that the 23-3 game? I went to that one with a buddy. Sat near some PSU fans, who were the epitome of class. I hated seeing Alabama beaten, but they were gracious throughout.
Posted on 12/19/23 at 1:00 pm to Sauron
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yes, Penn St fans have been nothing but kind to us when we would play up there, crazy thing about that game, it was a cold damp day and they unveiled the Coach Bryant trophy award at halftime. It had a blue cover over the award .... Penn St colors on a day that looked like we should be in Pennsylvanian
Posted on 12/19/23 at 2:36 pm to RECConspiracy
Perkins was a good coach. The '85 team played a very tough schedule and went 9-2-1. Both losses were by 2 pts.
Won 10 games in '86 and had one of the top recruiting classes coming in before he was offered a coaching job and a piece of the the organization at Tampa Bay.
Losing Kerry Goode really hurt us in '84 and we also lost Paul Ott Carruth one year as well.
Had he stayed he would have eventually won big. It helped auburn tremendously when he left and we got Curry. Curry never beat the barn.
Won 10 games in '86 and had one of the top recruiting classes coming in before he was offered a coaching job and a piece of the the organization at Tampa Bay.
Losing Kerry Goode really hurt us in '84 and we also lost Paul Ott Carruth one year as well.
Had he stayed he would have eventually won big. It helped auburn tremendously when he left and we got Curry. Curry never beat the barn.
Posted on 12/19/23 at 3:13 pm to RECConspiracy
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That turned out to be a very poor hire.
He gave us the Van Tiffin kick in ‘85 so he’s okay in my book. His last two years he went 9-2-1 and 10-3. He left Curry enough to work with.
Posted on 12/19/23 at 7:42 pm to Night Vision
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Won 10 games in '86
Look at the roster that year. That team was absolutely loaded. A good coach is 13-0 and national champions with that team. Perkins had them in the Sun Bowl.
Posted on 12/20/23 at 9:28 am to IB4bama
Perkins said leaving BAMA for Tampa was the biggest mistake of his career.
Just couldn't say no to all the $$$ Hugh Culverhouse offered.
Ironically, Perkins QB at BAMA his last 3 years was former BAMA HC Mike Shula.
Shula may not have been a good HC. But he sure was a clutch QB for Perkins and the TIDE.
Just couldn't say no to all the $$$ Hugh Culverhouse offered.
Ironically, Perkins QB at BAMA his last 3 years was former BAMA HC Mike Shula.
Shula may not have been a good HC. But he sure was a clutch QB for Perkins and the TIDE.
Posted on 12/20/23 at 10:37 am to Canyon16
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Shula may not have been a good HC
It was 22 scholarships over 3 years he lost. That was a lot.
I'm not saying he was great, but we didn't have the depth. I remember lots of close games where we faded in the 2nd half. That could have been depth.
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But he sure was a clutch QB for Perkins and the TIDE.
Which is partly why I won't speak any ill towards the man. He took the job in a horrible situation when seemingly no one else wanted it. And I recall him handling everything with class.
This post was edited on 12/20/23 at 10:38 am
Posted on 12/20/23 at 11:16 am to RECConspiracy
Wish Perkins stayed.
It should have been Bowden over Curry
It should have been Bowden over Curry
Posted on 12/20/23 at 12:00 pm to Legba007
Penn State fans are some of the best in the country. Coaches Bryant and Paterno had a ton of respect for each other, and both fan bases realized that!
Posted on 12/20/23 at 12:24 pm to Legba007
Well to be fair that Penn State team went on to go undefeated, defeat #1 Miami in the Fiesta Bowl, and win the national championship. They were pretty good.
Posted on 12/20/23 at 12:48 pm to coachcrisp
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Coaches Bryant and Paterno had a ton of respect for each other, and both fan bases realized that!
Bryant would not have respected Paterno had he been aware that Paterno knowingly had a serial child rapist on staff for over 35 years and intentionally protected him when others tried to turn him in.
This post was edited on 12/20/23 at 12:49 pm
Posted on 12/20/23 at 1:57 pm to 1loyalbamafan
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He was recruiting like crazy. He was not very personable. Not very well liked.
LOL that is an understatement. Didn't help that he would tell fans on his call-in show their questions were stupid.
Posted on 12/20/23 at 3:29 pm to Grievous Angel
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Shula may not have been a good HC
It was 22 scholarships over 3 years he lost. That was a lot.
I'm not saying he was great, but we didn't have the depth. I remember lots of close games where we faded in the 2nd half. That could have been depth.
We had terrible injury luck under Shula.
Croyle - blew knee out
Prothro - broke leg
Castille - blew knee out
Britt - broke leg
Mathis - played with a stress fracture in leg
Probably forgetting a few.
At one point we had several walk-on's starting.
Posted on 12/20/23 at 4:06 pm to Night Vision
Shula took the job when no one else seemed to have wanted it. He was strapped with scholarship limits but he did himself no favors when Coach Moore made suggestions that some staff changes need to be made. Shula called Coach Perkins and Perkins told him to make his own decisions because they wouldn’t fire him. We ended up with an awful ‘06 season and the rest is history.
Posted on 12/21/23 at 8:33 pm to Grievous Angel
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Which is partly why I won't speak any ill towards the man. He took the job in a horrible situation when seemingly no one else wanted it. And I recall him handling everything with class.
At a time when Croom was the only other serious candidate, Shula did an outstanding job of getting us from point A to point B...but that was his ceiling. That's also why I'll never speak ill of him either.
Don, on the other hand, for his comments on the Saban hire...he can rot in hell.
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