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Posted on 3/1/20 at 7:58 am to 3down10
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The run defense was never up to par, the reasons for it changed. But they did improve when it comes to what they were doing on the field.
You have any idea what it was in regards to the run D struggling after they started setting the edge? To my untrained eye things I felt like we were having a lot of early season run D troubles.
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It sucked, but it's the kind of thing that happens with youth. As Saban would say, you don't practice until you get it right, you practice until you can't get it wrong. They obviously needed a lot more practice.
I feel like communication from the sideline and on the field was something that we struggled with all year. When I look at how well organized teams like UGA, LSU, Auburn were at communicating defensive calls, organizing dline and linebacker rotations from the sidelines and simplifying reads and responsibilities for their players, it felt like we weren’t on par with that. It looked like we really were out of sorts when it came to communicating from the sideline and then the youth of the defense would struggle on the field communicating with one another. It seems like calls and substitutions (personnel recognition) were late on the field all season.
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Posted on 3/1/20 at 8:16 am to Carlton
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... we really were out of sorts...
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... all season.
This post was edited on 3/1/20 at 8:33 am
Posted on 3/1/20 at 8:47 am to TidalSurge1
Tosh 2.0.
Posted on 3/1/20 at 12:01 pm to TidalSurge1
This is a good spot for me to give my opinion on last year's LSU game. LSU had a great team, but I think the LSU coaching staff did even a greater job in that game. Their defense schemed us in the first half to stop our offensive bread and butter. We adjusted our offense and defense in the second half to slow down what they were doing in the first half, and scored enough points to win. Their offensive coaches called a great second half after we adjusted to change their offense enough, screen passes and use of their great running back, to score two touchdowns to seal the victory. Last years Auburn game was the biggest anomality I have ever witnessed.
Posted on 3/1/20 at 2:16 pm to CrimsonBoz
You could add BamagradinTN to your warning. Sure wouldn’t be out of place.
Posted on 3/1/20 at 2:56 pm to Carlton
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SP+ is a predictive tool isn't? It isn't used to analyze actual effectiveness in a game that has taken place, correct? It is used to say that based on past performance this is the predicted outcome against the SP+ of another opponent.
You are correct but seem to be drawing the wrong conclusion about the SP+. Yes, it is "forward looking" as Bill C. likes to say, but that's true only because Connelly has identified over time a number of metrics that seem to correlate best with win percentage, and structure a rating and ranking system using those metrics.
And so yes, it is "predictive" as it states how good a team is at metrics that correlate with future success, but those numbers and rankings very much state just how good a team is based on how well they have performed and are performing in metrics that seem to affect winning the most.
And regarding those metrics Bill C. uses, which have become the gold standard in CFB team evaluation, Alabama's defense was better than 127 other teams in CFB. Granted, we can all point to issues we saw with our own to eyes - poor tackling at bad moments, 12 men on the field, Dlineman not getting off blocks, etc., but any criticism has to be filtered through the lens of Alabama still having one of the best defenses in all of CFB last year. This is simply a fact.
And "one of the best" doesn't equal "praise", "happiness", or "satisfaction". It equals "context".
Posted on 3/1/20 at 4:19 pm to prevatt33b
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And so yes, it is "predictive" as it states how good a team is at metrics that correlate with future success, but those numbers and rankings very much state just how good a team is based on how well they have performed and are performing in metrics that seem to affect winning the most.
I agree but that wasn't the conversation we were having so I'm not sure why you said any of this. The conversation was about improvement of the run defense throughout the season not the overall quality of the defense. SP+ is not a tool that measures that. I stated this during the exchange that 3down10 and I had
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I think the Alabama defense is good and better than most relative to other D’s in college football and has the potential to be great next year.
And while I said it was predictive, I said it meaning comparatively against determining the outcome of a game against another opponent's SP+ score. I didn't say or insinuate comparing the scores can't be used as a tool to understand who is good and where they fit in the college pecking order at the time.
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And regarding those metrics Bill C. uses, which have become the gold standard in CFB team evaluation, Alabama's defense was better than 127 other teams in CFB. Granted, we can all point to issues we saw with our own to eyes - poor tackling at bad moments, 12 men on the field, Dlineman not getting off blocks, etc., but any criticism has to be filtered through the lens of Alabama still having one of the best defenses in all of CFB last year. This is simply a fact.
And "one of the best" doesn't equal "praise", "happiness", or "satisfaction". It equals "context".
I wasn't criticizing the validity of SP+ or how good the team was compared to other college Ds, what is this all about? What is the weird context thing, you are taking me out of context.
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Posted on 3/1/20 at 5:25 pm to Carlton
As I said in the other thread, some of this was directed at you and some directed at the group. If you believe all of that was a criticism aimed at you, it wasn't. The last part of my post was to tie the SP stuff in the the whole month's-long Golding argument.
Posted on 3/1/20 at 6:08 pm to Carlton
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You have any idea what it was in regards to the run D struggling after they started setting the edge? To my untrained eye things I felt like we were having a lot of early season run D troubles.
Most likely reason are missed tackles. Started playing against better teams with better RBs that are harder to tackle. Sometimes slow to diagnose the play leads to bad angles, and there were many times when they just plain lacked the needed physicality. Like against LSU Burrow had like 2 runs in a row for over 10 yards each, he doesn't slide and the defense should be giving a punishing blow, but it was the opposite.
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I feel like communication from the sideline and on the field was something that we struggled with all year. When I look at how well organized teams like UGA, LSU, Auburn were at communicating defensive calls, organizing dline and linebacker rotations from the sidelines and simplifying reads and responsibilities for their players, it felt like we weren’t on par with that. It looked like we really were out of sorts when it came to communicating from the sideline and then the youth of the defense would struggle on the field communicating with one another. It seems like calls and substitutions (personnel recognition) were late on the field all season.
Probably. It seems to happen multiple times every year and the thing that pisses me off the most about those situations is Saban NEVER calls a fricking time out and just takes the penalty. Meanwhile we go into the half or end the game with multiple time outs remaining.
I often joke that Saban gets a $1 million bonus for every timeout he doesn't use in a game.
Posted on 3/1/20 at 10:23 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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You really are this stupid, aren't you?
I mean guys come on
There is always one issue every year that devolves into tribal argument and bickering. At this point I think its necessary for the board to function.
Posted on 3/2/20 at 12:50 am to Sneaky__Sally
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There is always one issue every year that devolves into tribal argument and bickering. At this point I think its necessary for the board to function.
True. I would like to point out that I am not one of the outspoken posters on the Golding issue. Trust me, it's taken all I have got to sit back and remain silent. I promised myself that I wouldn't do it again. Besides, I thought it should be obvious to the board what Golding is all about.
Posted on 3/2/20 at 11:37 am to LovetheLord
Yeah and a few others. Hopefully the riot has ended.
Posted on 3/2/20 at 1:35 pm to CrimsonBoz
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Hopefully the riot has ended.
The offseason is always more rowdy than during the season. I specifically remember us all agreeing to chill out going into fall camp 2019, as June and July were fiery months around here. It's all cyclical.
Posted on 3/2/20 at 6:45 pm to Cobrasize
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Terrell Lewis @_Real24_ · 15h
Just watched the LSU game and got mad all over again.
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Posted on 3/2/20 at 7:29 pm to TidalSurge1
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Terrell Lewis @_Real24_ · 15h
Just watched the LSU game and got mad all over again.
From the looks of things, as of this moment, he'd better get used to it and another 10-2 or 9-3 season and trip to the Outback Bowl, again, next year. Looks like what we're planning for as a program, now.
Posted on 3/2/20 at 7:31 pm to Chancellor
Geez, just stop
Posted on 3/2/20 at 7:33 pm to phaz
I don't think I will.
This post was edited on 3/2/20 at 7:36 pm
Posted on 3/2/20 at 7:47 pm to Chancellor
He won’t be playing next year. I don’t see any current players shooting for 10-2...
Posted on 3/2/20 at 7:47 pm to prevatt33b
Always a good time. We have a similar roller coaster to a few other programs.
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