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re: Terrell Lewis...interesting take on last year's defense.
Posted on 2/29/20 at 4:27 pm to 3down10
Posted on 2/29/20 at 4:27 pm to 3down10
You've had a lot of opportunities to do better, but still can't support your opinion that Golding did his job well nor will you answer the following question:
Are you related to Pete?
Are you related to Pete?
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Posted on 2/29/20 at 4:28 pm to 3down10
No dog in this fight right now bc I can place blame on youth , injuries and definitely some issues on Golding but what are you wanting people to look at in that LSU clip? Don’t have 36 minutes right now
Posted on 2/29/20 at 4:48 pm to Bear88
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No dog in this fight right now bc I can place blame on youth , injuries and definitely some issues on Golding but what are you wanting people to look at in that LSU clip? Don’t have 36 minutes right now
It's the entire game, just takes all the commercials and time between snaps out, so you just get all the action. My favorite way of going back and watching games rather than spending 3-4 hours.
Many people look at the final score and stats and seem to think that tells the story. They see big offensive stats, so surely the offense wasn't the issue. But when you go back and watch the game, it's just offensive struggle after offensive struggle.
The defense gave up some big plays, especially in the first half, but I'm looking and wondering exactly which of them are considered a problem of the DC. Is Diggs getting burned in man coverage the fault of the DC? Is the refs allowing a guy to go out of bounds and come back the fault of the DC? Are all the missed tackles the fault of the DC? So hell, I would just love for any of the Golding haters to show me exactly what in the hell they think he did so poorly. It seems that all I get is "he sucks" type arguments, or that "DC is responsible for everything".
But the offense was doing nothing also. Couldn't covert on low yardage many times, bad play calling, etc. It lives and dies off explosive plays.
I just completely see that game differently, so I wonder if people actually go back and watch these things to make an informed opinion. I've watched that game at least 10 times now seriously looking to see what in the hell many people here seem to think they see - and still don't see it.
Posted on 2/29/20 at 4:55 pm to 3down10
I got you . Like I said , being a coach I can tell you youth makes a difference even at HS level especially in front seven . Now missed tackling and for the love of god, not being able to get 11 men on the field falls on coaching . Golding is not a bad coach or Saban would have given him walking papers but he definitely needs to shore up a few things scheme wise IMO and creativity getting pressure on QBs . This year we should be able to judge him more effectively
Posted on 2/29/20 at 5:06 pm to 3down10
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Seems many of you just look at the final score and forget what happened.
You do realize the only person arguing specifics about the LSU game in this thread is BamaGradinTN?
You tend to take one person's point of view and apply it to others when they disagree with you in general. Very similar to the Golding being lazy and goofy.
Posted on 2/29/20 at 5:06 pm to Bear88
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I got you . Like I said , being a coach I can tell you youth makes a difference even at HS level especially in front seven . Now missed tackling and for the love of god, not being able to get 11 men on the field falls on coaching . Golding is not a bad coach or Saban would have given him walking papers but he definitely needs to shore up a few things scheme wise IMO and creativity getting pressure on QBs . This year we should be able to judge him more effectively
From what I understood about it, he was very limited in the schemes he could run due to the youth and the players understanding the concepts behind them.
Far from perfect, but given the circumstances I think he did a pretty good job. If he's out there when we basically had a "front 11" due to all the depth running this defense, I'd have another opinion about it.
When it comes to missed tackles, I think more time in S&C will clear a good bit of that up.
With Moses coming back, and assuming he stays healthy, I'd damn near bet just about anything that this defense is going to be pretty good next year. I saw a lot of talent this past year, and they made a lot of great plays. What they lacked IMO was consistency. 3 great plays, then the next play they have busted coverage, or miss a gap, etc. Which I attribute to youth/experience. Get those mistakes cleared up and going to be the #1 defense again, no problem.
Posted on 2/29/20 at 5:09 pm to 3down10
I am excited about DL play . That experience will pay off this year
Posted on 2/29/20 at 5:12 pm to Carlton
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You do realize the only person arguing specifics about the LSU game in this thread is BamaGradinTN?
You tend to take one person's point of view and apply it to others when they disagree with you in general. Very similar to the Golding being lazy and goofy.
What game would they rather look at when talking about where Pete Golding is bad at his job?
I'm just looking for some specifics, feel free to pick any game.
Posted on 2/29/20 at 5:13 pm to Bear88
I'm excited about Tim Smith. A coach called into Stephen M. Smith's show and he said he saw DJ Dale and Tim Smith and that Smith is on another level.
Posted on 2/29/20 at 5:15 pm to Shaft Williams
Me too . Film is nasty
Posted on 2/29/20 at 5:23 pm to 3down10
I don't know cause it isn't my debate, but I'm guessing if they are complaining about poor communication and player progress which is a common complaint about Golding they are talking about all of the games. Could be wrong.
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Posted on 2/29/20 at 5:45 pm to Bear88
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I am excited about DL play . That experience will pay off this year
Yep, I think so. And we should have most of them for 2 more years. Plus another offseason with S&C, 2 more camps to learn and get better at fundamentals - like not missing tackles and time to study concepts and the playbook.
Little worried about the secondary, but if the front 7 can really handle business it will take a lot of the pressure off them.
Posted on 2/29/20 at 5:54 pm to Carlton
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I don't know cause it isn't my debate, but I'm guessing if they are complaining about poor communication and player progress which is a common complaint about Golding they are talking about all of the games. Could be wrong.
Well I'm down to discuss any of them.
I was at times seeing people complain that players didn't get better over the year, but that's really just not true. At the start of the year we were constantly not setting the edge. It was killing me, because they get around the edge and it's 10 more yards every time.
But they got much better at setting the edge by the end of the year.
And the run defense was really bad to start the year, lots of runs up the middle. We were giving up a lot of 3rd downs, but they weren't 3rd and longs. They were like 3rd and 2. Constantly short yard 3rd downs because the run was very effective against us on early downs. That also improved as the year went on.
Really, run defense in general was a huge issue that got better as the year went on. Completely the opposite of our normal defenses. Teams never ran up the middle on us like they did last year.
Other than that, not much you can say to those who think a true freshman should look like a RS junior after 2 months of starting, other than they just have crazy unrealistic expectations.
Posted on 2/29/20 at 6:10 pm to 3down10
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And the run defense was really bad to start the year, lots of runs up the middle. We were giving up a lot of 3rd downs, but they weren't 3rd and longs. They were like 3rd and 2. Constantly short yard 3rd downs because the run was very effective against us on early downs. That also improved as the year went on.
Really, run defense in general was a huge issue that got better as the year went on. Completely the opposite of our normal defenses. Teams never ran up the middle on us like they did last year.
Why doesn't this show up statistically? Our average yards allowed per run, total rushing yards and November defensive run splits compared to other months were our worst last season by some margin. Not being a smartass, just asking if there is something I'm missing.
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This post was edited on 2/29/20 at 7:15 pm
Posted on 2/29/20 at 6:22 pm to 3down10
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How old are you?
65. How young are you?
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I get the feeling I'm talking to someone who hasn't been watching football very long.
I get the feeling you're related to Pete.This post was edited on 3/1/20 at 6:07 pm
Posted on 2/29/20 at 6:23 pm to Bear88
Raekwon Davis right Here admits that he was lazy. Think a big senior d-lineman not deciding to show up for the season might have impacted defensive play? How many others didn’t show up? Who knows. Best defensive coordinator ever can’t win with 5 freshmen and a talented senior who won’t put forth effort.
Posted on 2/29/20 at 6:32 pm to LovetheLord
What's that say about the coaching? If Davis was indeed half-assing it, the DL Coach Baker and DC Golding should've both been well aware of it. They're with Davis at practice everyday and also evaluating and grading his performance in game film reviews. Motivating and holding players and staff accountable are important fundamental aspects of good coaching. They should've fixed that problem, by benching Davis if necessary. He should've been a good senior leader by example, instead of being allowed to half-arse it. As I've mentioned before, defenses and offenses typically take on the personality traits of their coordinators and coaching staffs.
This post was edited on 2/29/20 at 7:23 pm
Posted on 2/29/20 at 7:31 pm to Carlton
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Why doesn't this show up statistically? Our average yards allowed per run, total rushing yards and November defensive run splits compared to other months were our worst last season by some margin. What were you seeing on film? Not being a smartass, just asking if there is something I'm missing.
Mostly just going off the number of times I threw my hands up in disgust at it. Especially setting the edge, it really burns me up when they don't do that, because if the guy gets around it's almost always good for 8-10 yards because someone in the secondary usually has to make the stop. It's basically a matter of discipline. You have to make the guy cut back inside.
Up the middle runs are mostly missed gaps, but to be honest I'm not a big enough of an X's and O's guy to point out which player is at fault, you just see the yards.
I don't think statistically it was really all that terrible overall, outside the Ole Miss game. We did finish #3 in the SP+. But to answer your question, the quality of opponent also increased in November, so maintaining anywhere near the same stat line is a sign of improvement. Duke running for 100+ yards is much worse than a team like LSU/Auburn/Miss St doing it. Which is why I like the SP+, it takes that into account, while raw stats do not.
But stats and SP+ don't provide context. Defense was great most of the time, but it's the few failures that undo it all. Consistency is what the defense needed and lacked. That's why I'm hopeful for next year, the talent was there and the consistency will come with time and experience.
Posted on 2/29/20 at 7:39 pm to TidalSurge1
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What's that say about the coaching? If Davis was indeed half-assing it, the DL Coach Baker and DC Golding should've both been well aware of it. They're with Davis at practice everyday and also evaluating and grading his performance in game film reviews. Motivating and holding players and staff accountable are important fundamental aspects of good coaching. They should've fixed that problem, by benching Davis if necessary. He should've been a good senior leader by example, instead of being allowed to half-arse it. As I've mentioned before, defenses and offenses typically take on the personality traits of their coordinators and coaching staffs.
They put the best players they have on the field. With all the injuries, even a half arse senior is likely better than yet another freshman on the field.
You do realize Saban is the HC and would be the one to ultimately make such decisions right?
Posted on 2/29/20 at 7:55 pm to 3down10
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3down10
Ain't nobody got time to read all that shite.
That having been said, you seem to think I put all the blame on the defense. I said no such thing.
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