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re: Terrell Lewis...interesting take on last year's defense.
Posted on 3/2/20 at 7:51 pm to CrimsonBoz
Posted on 3/2/20 at 7:51 pm to CrimsonBoz
And I never said either of those things. I know he isn't playing, next year, and I never said any of our players were shooting for 10-2.
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Posted on 3/2/20 at 7:52 pm to Chancellor
But you implied it... Read what you just wrote.
Posted on 3/2/20 at 7:53 pm to Panthers4life
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But you implied it... Read what you just wrote.
Nope. Never implied it, either. I'm well aware of what I wrote. I... you know... wrote it.
Posted on 3/2/20 at 9:10 pm to Chancellor
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From the looks of things, as of this moment, he'd better get used to it and another 10-2 or 9-3 season and trip to the Outback Bowl, again, next year. Looks like what we're planning for as a program, now.
Posted on 3/3/20 at 4:08 am to 3down10
Posted on 3/3/20 at 10:09 am to TidalSurge1
Here’s my thing, if Golding can’t figure out how to get plays and subs in quickly, it’s Saban’s responsibility to teach him how. Saban was an NFL DC for years and years. Sit the dude down with all those other veteran coaches on staff and come up with an action plan and make Golding implement it. If he still can’t pull his weight after holding his hand, fire him and promote Strong to DC. I’d bet he gets it figured out.
Posted on 3/3/20 at 11:47 am to tider04
I think many fans assume that a more experienced DC wouldn't have had substitution or communication issues with our squad last year, and I don't think that's true. Given that we had 2 freshman in the middle, and therefore went to a play-call system where everyone turned and got the play - and this was implemented to try and overcome a big problem - tells me that the situation was dire enough with that personell that any DC would've had some issues. Changing the DC wouldn't have changed the size of the problem, and it seemed to be a really big problem.
Posted on 3/3/20 at 11:56 am to prevatt33b
It appears to me that Golding has struggled to teach and coach up our ILBs, scheme-up good game plans, and make adjustments, subtitutions and play calls in an effective and timely manner; i.e., he's struggled to do his job competently.
This post was edited on 3/6/20 at 5:04 am
Posted on 3/3/20 at 12:04 pm to TidalSurge1
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It appeared that Golding stuggled to teach and coach up his ILBs, make good game plans, adjustments, subtitutions and play calls in an effective and timely manner.
While I hear you, if what you said was true in such a way so as to make that strong a statement, wouldn't our performance have suffered more than 3rd in the SP+?
Posted on 3/3/20 at 12:09 pm to prevatt33b
I don't care what the S&P stat rankings were. Our defense did not pass the eye test -- especially in the areas Pete's most directly responsible for. The word disheveled comes to mind as a fitting adjective for how our ILBs and our defense (especially front-7) have looked against P5 competition since he's been DC/ILBs coach.
This post was edited on 3/3/20 at 12:23 pm
Posted on 3/3/20 at 12:13 pm to prevatt33b
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While I hear you, if what you said was true in such a way so as to make that strong a statement, wouldn't our performance have suffered more than 3rd in the SP+?
I don't really give a rip about the S/P or any other stat. Anybody who knows football and watched our defense last year knows that the product on the field was unacceptable for a premier football program. They were confused, misaligned, struggled communicating, out of position, and tackled poorly. No excuse for that level of incompetence. Shane Lee was a freshman but had been on campus since January. By the time we were playing in November he had been in our program for darn near a year. He should have known the calls. Rolo McClain handled the calls like a champ as a TF. Alternatively, if it was such a problem, why not have a vet like X McKinney get the calls at safety and communicate to everyone else?
Posted on 3/3/20 at 1:26 pm to TidalSurge1
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The word disheveled comes to mind as a fitting adjective for...our defense...against P5 competition since he's been DC/ILBs coach.
This is not a factual statment.
While we agree that our defense needs to improve, and we agree on the areas it needs to improve in, the above statement is not factual. I say that because you are ignoring all of the good plays, good quarters, and good games, and are choosing to focus on only the bad stuff. Yes, I agree about the bad stuff - I saw it too. But I'm choosing to also remember the good stuff, which referencing 2019, our first string D completely stopped every offense we saw except auburn and LSU. No other team on our schedule ever had a hope of getting enough points to win the game, even if our offense had been mediocre. That means something to me when characterizing the whole product.
Also, the SP+ very much matters (speaking to tider04 too now) as it gives the context in which Bama struggled, meaning even with our struggles, we were still one of the best defenses in the game - and that's a big point here. Gone are the days of a shutdown defense. It's likely not even possible anymore. Name any defense last year that you think was a great defense, and you will find games where they got scored on and embarrassed. It happened to everyone.
I'm not explaining away Golding's struggles or Bama's defensive performance. It was not good enough. But any level-headed approach to this issue must admit that even with our issues last year (or the last 2 years), we were still one of the best defenses in all of CFB - AND there have been ZERO defenses of late that stop everyone.
Face it: In modern CFB in 2020, and great offense is going to score points ON ANY DEFENSE IT FACES.
Lastly, speaking about 2 years ago, I don't think Wilson/Moses looked as bad as many think, given the issues they had with Savion Smith handing off crossing routes incorrectly. I think if we could go watch tape of 2018 with coach Saban, we would learn some things about who was truly at fault when it seemed to be Wilson's fault at first glance. I also think Moses in 2018 looked perfectly fine, and Harris developed really nicely in 2019. Golding has to get credit for those things.
Again, I'm not praising Golding or saying he's great. I just believe in having a balanced approach to the issues. And even a balanced approach says that we need significant improvement in our defense going forward, but that doesn't mean it's was nearly as bad a many make it out to be.
Posted on 3/3/20 at 1:29 pm to prevatt33b
For the record, if we had looked like we did without having been destroyed with injuries and playing extreme youth in spots, I'd be agreeing with all of you.
Posted on 3/3/20 at 1:34 pm to prevatt33b
I didn't claim to be be stating any absolute facts, nor did I ignore anything (to clarify: S&P ranking does not change what I witnessed), nor did I try to convince anyone that our defense performed any worse than it actually did. I've stated my opinions (based on my observations) pretty clearly -- that, despite the front 7 injuries and youth, imo they didn't perform as well as they should've, and imo it's due in large part to inadequate coaching by Pete Golding. So, please don't try to put your take and spin on what I say and think, or group me or my posts with others. Other folks on this board are quite capable of reading and assessing my posts for themselves and replying to them if they want. TIA. 
This post was edited on 3/3/20 at 3:03 pm
Posted on 3/3/20 at 2:55 pm to TidalSurge1
There’s 2 posters on this board who really aren’t worth responding to.
One of them is- obviously- Pete Golding himself. Although, given his posting history and behavior, it could be one of Pete Golding’s children.
The other is either Pete Golding’s father or his gay lover who has a larger football vocabulary and uses football vernacular that Pete, himself has never even heard of (“tackle,” for instance, and, “eleven,” for another) and throws it around so people will think he’s somewhat knowledgeable. His efforts are unsuccessful.
There’s a 3rd type of poster, here, and those are the ones who think Nick Saban is infallible in every decision he makes. Those are also not worth the effort.
These people are Golding’s Groupies and think he invented defense in college football for the SOLE reason that Nick Saban, thus far, has kept him on staff and will argue with you vehemently that Golding is the greatest Defensive coach in the history of college football despite the overwhelming evidence that he’s really a moron who backed into the job, doesn’t know how many people can be on the field at one time, and is generally incompetent at his job.
That is until Saban does get rid of him. When that day comes, those very same posters will spit on the ground every time his name is mentioned and will claim they knew he wasn’t a good coach and wished Saban had gotten rid of him the moment he was hired.
They did the same thing with Nussmeier. The very same thing.
Anyway, Pete and his lover aren’t worth arguing with, here.
One of them is- obviously- Pete Golding himself. Although, given his posting history and behavior, it could be one of Pete Golding’s children.
The other is either Pete Golding’s father or his gay lover who has a larger football vocabulary and uses football vernacular that Pete, himself has never even heard of (“tackle,” for instance, and, “eleven,” for another) and throws it around so people will think he’s somewhat knowledgeable. His efforts are unsuccessful.
There’s a 3rd type of poster, here, and those are the ones who think Nick Saban is infallible in every decision he makes. Those are also not worth the effort.
These people are Golding’s Groupies and think he invented defense in college football for the SOLE reason that Nick Saban, thus far, has kept him on staff and will argue with you vehemently that Golding is the greatest Defensive coach in the history of college football despite the overwhelming evidence that he’s really a moron who backed into the job, doesn’t know how many people can be on the field at one time, and is generally incompetent at his job.
That is until Saban does get rid of him. When that day comes, those very same posters will spit on the ground every time his name is mentioned and will claim they knew he wasn’t a good coach and wished Saban had gotten rid of him the moment he was hired.
They did the same thing with Nussmeier. The very same thing.
Anyway, Pete and his lover aren’t worth arguing with, here.
This post was edited on 3/3/20 at 3:00 pm
Posted on 3/3/20 at 3:15 pm to TidalSurge1
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Other folks on this board are quite capable of reading and assessing my posts for themselves and replying to them if they want.
I'm one of those people, and I am capable of reading and assessing your post for myself, and I replied as I wanted to.
Why you are concerned about other posters as it relates to my comments on the topic - I do not know.
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despite the front 7 injuries and youth, imo they didn't perform as well as they should've, and imo it's due in large part to inadequate coaching by Pete Golding.
This is certainly a reasonable statement.
Posted on 3/3/20 at 3:33 pm to TidalSurge1
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despite the front 7 injuries and youth, imo they didn't perform as well as they should've, and imo it's due in large part to inadequate coaching by Pete Golding.
I wanted to clarify:
The above is a reasonable statement, but I don't necessarily agree. I am of the opinion that the quality of our Jimmies and Joes on our front 7 had been trending down for a few years, and then when hit with injuries, we got exposed. I definitely think Golding has room to improve, potentially a lot, but I honestly don't think our players have been as good as they were for much of the prior decade. I don't think we've had a Marcel Dareus, a Jonathan Allen, a Donta Hightower, or a Courtney Upshaw on our team for a few years now. And 1 good year from Q. Williams doesn't change that for me.
By the way, I am also suspicious that it is these exact recruiting misses and mis-evaluations that have caused Saban to run off what seemed to be good defensive coaching hires at the time.
This post was edited on 3/3/20 at 3:38 pm
Posted on 3/3/20 at 3:51 pm to Chancellor
replied to wrong post - deleted
This post was edited on 3/3/20 at 3:52 pm
Posted on 3/3/20 at 3:52 pm to TidalSurge1
By the way Surge, I think I finally found the disconnect, the reason why you (and a few others) think I'm misconstruing your words:
I've been arguing this whole time, trying to show my work, using the SP and other tangible metrics, etc. that if Golding is as deficient at coaching as you guys keep repeatedly saying he is, then the defensive product would actually have been much worse. That's the point I have been making.
I have been making this point because as this Golding conversation has gone all this time, if it was true that he was as deficient as you are saying he is, wouldn't our defense had actually been a complete dumpster fire? Especially given his coaching deficiencies PLUS massive injuries, shouldn't we have been awful?
I've been arguing this whole time, trying to show my work, using the SP and other tangible metrics, etc. that if Golding is as deficient at coaching as you guys keep repeatedly saying he is, then the defensive product would actually have been much worse. That's the point I have been making.
I have been making this point because as this Golding conversation has gone all this time, if it was true that he was as deficient as you are saying he is, wouldn't our defense had actually been a complete dumpster fire? Especially given his coaching deficiencies PLUS massive injuries, shouldn't we have been awful?
This post was edited on 3/3/20 at 3:53 pm
Posted on 3/3/20 at 4:51 pm to prevatt33b
One thing I agree with you on is the talent level in the front seven. We have missed on a large part of elite, 5 star talent in recruiting thanks in large part to Kirby and Pruitt snatching those guys from our clutches. We didn't sign chopped liver by any stretch but the two highest rated linemen we signed transferred out in Anoma and Alfano. Add in the injuries and yes, we were exposed. That's the biggest issue and we will know more about coach Golding this year but we just don't have the talent to be as good as Georgia is on defense right now. They have all the 5 stars.
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