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re: State of our OL
Posted on 10/26/21 at 12:17 am to MagillaGuerilla
Posted on 10/26/21 at 12:17 am to MagillaGuerilla
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TIFWIW I've heard Marrone is looking for "his guys", whatever that means.
Yea, I would love to know what this means. If this means “his guys” aren’t yet on the roster, oh boy..
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Posted on 10/26/21 at 7:20 am to BasedTide
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Can somebody ban this troll?
You've got 47 posts and you're wanting somebody banned?
Get the frick otta here!
Posted on 10/26/21 at 7:41 am to coachcrisp
I've got a question for some of you guys with more OL knowledge. Why don't our OL block until the whistle? There seems to be an initial effort and then a lot of standing and looking. We don't seem to have anyone with that Landon attitude of still looking to take someone's head off. Coaching??
Posted on 10/26/21 at 7:41 am to coachcrisp
well if none of the other tackles can take owens's spot, it means they're getting beat every single play in practice. because owens is getting beat every other play and sometimes 2 out of every 3 plays in the games.
Posted on 10/26/21 at 7:57 am to coachcrisp
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You've got 47 posts and you're wanting somebody banned?
Get the frick otta here!
This is the guy that thinks Saban is wrong about Hall and Sanders. He think they should both be starting and Saban is too stubborn to do so. People have called for him to be banned. So now he’s trying to turn it on everyone else
Posted on 10/26/21 at 8:09 am to Hawaiian Punch
JMO but I believe that means Doug is looking to recruit his type OL players and that sounds like a huge problem for 2022.
What we have today is what we finish with with the exception of an injury. Hopefully Bryce can keep dodging them and avoid injury. I had us at 10-2 for this season and I am sticking with that.
What we have today is what we finish with with the exception of an injury. Hopefully Bryce can keep dodging them and avoid injury. I had us at 10-2 for this season and I am sticking with that.
Posted on 10/26/21 at 9:10 am to MagillaGuerilla
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TIFWIW I've heard Marrone is looking for "his guys", whatever that means.
Well, at least "his guys" aren't undersized tweeners like, who was it ? Brent Key ? Which OL coach brought all those small OL in, and had us screwed for years ? All the guys we have signed with Marrone here are 6'5 300+
One has to wonder how we got in this OL situation though. All those listed players are not freshmen. There are plenty of experienced talented players to choose from.
Posted on 10/26/21 at 9:18 am to colbyjacks
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Watched Dalcourt get blown off the ball in goal line situations. Quite depressing
Yeah, when it comes to OL its bad to have a weak link anywhere, but you damn sure cant have a weak center. I dont know why we ever let anyone who isn't a pure monster mauler play center. Ekiyor would have been a great center if they would have let him continue to develop there. He moved for Landon Dickerson, and if not for Owens I think he would have moved back to center, but once all the reps were wasted on owens and dalcourt Ekiyor was destined to stay at guard I suppose. Owens has been a disaster in more ways than one, and I dont think we will see a change.
Posted on 10/26/21 at 9:54 am to PowHound
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All the guys we have signed with Marrone here are 6'5 300+
He was hired 9 days before NSD 2021, that OL class was already signed.
Posted on 10/26/21 at 10:14 am to MagillaGuerilla
Posted on 10/26/21 at 10:50 am to tider04
My post from another thread:
Here are our current OL ordered by prospect rating with the starters in bold.
All:
1. JC Latham (0.9989) (2021) - #1 OT, #3 overall
2. Tommy Brockermeyer (0.9978) (2021) - #2 OT, #6 overall
3. Evan Neal (0.9946) (2019) - #1 OT, #7 overall
4. Pierce Quick (0.9789) (2019) - #7 OT, #40 overall
5. Terrence Ferguson (0.9719) (2021) - #2 IOL, #58 overall
6. Amari Kight (0.9648) (2019) - #10 OT, #76 overall
7. Emil Ekiyor (0.9496) (2018) - #3 C, #113 overall
8. Tommy Brown (0.9449) (2018) - #4 OG, #132 overall
9. Darrian Dalcourt (0.9285) (2019) - #11 OG, #177 overall
10. Kendall Randolph (0.9252) (2017) - #12 OG, #180 overall
11. Chris Owens (0.9241) (2016) - #10 OG, #187 overall
12. James Brockermeyer (0.9224) (2021) - #13 IOL, #191 overall
13. Jaeden Roberts (0.9084)(2021) - #19 IOL, #254 overall
14. Tanner Bowles (0.9025) (2019) - #19 OG, #290 overall
15. Javion Cohen (0.8951) (2020) - #25 OT, #333 overall
16. Damieon George (0.8884) (2020) - #31 OT, #390 overall
17. Seth McLaughlin (0.8802) (2020) - #10 C, #476 overall
Center/Guard:
1. Terrence Ferguson (0.9719) (2021) - #2 IOL, #58 overall
2. Emil Ekiyor (0.9496) (2018) - #3 C, #113 overall
3. Tommy Brown (0.9449) (2018) - #4 OG, #132 overall
4. Darrian Dalcourt (0.9285) (2019) - #11 OG, #177 overall
5. Kendall Randolph (0.9252) (2017) - #12 OG, #180 overall
6. Chris Owens (0.9241) (2016) - #10 OG, #187 overall
7. James Brockermeyer (0.9224) (2021) - #13 IOL, #191 overall
8. Jaeden Roberts (0.9084)(2021) - #19 IOL, #254 overall
9. Tanner Bowles (0.9025) (2019) - #19 OG, #290 overall
10. Seth McLaughlin (0.8802) (2020) - #10 C, #476 overall
Tackle:
1. JC Latham (0.9989) (2021) - #1 OT, #3 overall
2. Tommy Brockermeyer (0.9978) (2021) - #2 OT, #6 overall
3. Evan Neal (0.9946) (2019) - #1 OT, #7 overall
4. Pierce Quick (0.9789) (2019) - #7 OT, #40 overall
5. Amari Kight (0.9648) (2019) - #10 OT, #76 overall
6. Javion Cohen (0.8951) (2020) - #25 OT, #333 overall
7. Damieon George (0.8884) (2020) - #31 OT, #390 overall
Latham and Brockermeyer were Top 6 national players in 2021, but Quick and Kight were both Top 76 in 2019.
We have 4 blue-chip tackles than can't beat out Chris Owens.
Here are our current OL ordered by prospect rating with the starters in bold.
All:
1. JC Latham (0.9989) (2021) - #1 OT, #3 overall
2. Tommy Brockermeyer (0.9978) (2021) - #2 OT, #6 overall
3. Evan Neal (0.9946) (2019) - #1 OT, #7 overall
4. Pierce Quick (0.9789) (2019) - #7 OT, #40 overall
5. Terrence Ferguson (0.9719) (2021) - #2 IOL, #58 overall
6. Amari Kight (0.9648) (2019) - #10 OT, #76 overall
7. Emil Ekiyor (0.9496) (2018) - #3 C, #113 overall
8. Tommy Brown (0.9449) (2018) - #4 OG, #132 overall
9. Darrian Dalcourt (0.9285) (2019) - #11 OG, #177 overall
10. Kendall Randolph (0.9252) (2017) - #12 OG, #180 overall
11. Chris Owens (0.9241) (2016) - #10 OG, #187 overall
12. James Brockermeyer (0.9224) (2021) - #13 IOL, #191 overall
13. Jaeden Roberts (0.9084)(2021) - #19 IOL, #254 overall
14. Tanner Bowles (0.9025) (2019) - #19 OG, #290 overall
15. Javion Cohen (0.8951) (2020) - #25 OT, #333 overall
16. Damieon George (0.8884) (2020) - #31 OT, #390 overall
17. Seth McLaughlin (0.8802) (2020) - #10 C, #476 overall
Center/Guard:
1. Terrence Ferguson (0.9719) (2021) - #2 IOL, #58 overall
2. Emil Ekiyor (0.9496) (2018) - #3 C, #113 overall
3. Tommy Brown (0.9449) (2018) - #4 OG, #132 overall
4. Darrian Dalcourt (0.9285) (2019) - #11 OG, #177 overall
5. Kendall Randolph (0.9252) (2017) - #12 OG, #180 overall
6. Chris Owens (0.9241) (2016) - #10 OG, #187 overall
7. James Brockermeyer (0.9224) (2021) - #13 IOL, #191 overall
8. Jaeden Roberts (0.9084)(2021) - #19 IOL, #254 overall
9. Tanner Bowles (0.9025) (2019) - #19 OG, #290 overall
10. Seth McLaughlin (0.8802) (2020) - #10 C, #476 overall
Tackle:
1. JC Latham (0.9989) (2021) - #1 OT, #3 overall
2. Tommy Brockermeyer (0.9978) (2021) - #2 OT, #6 overall
3. Evan Neal (0.9946) (2019) - #1 OT, #7 overall
4. Pierce Quick (0.9789) (2019) - #7 OT, #40 overall
5. Amari Kight (0.9648) (2019) - #10 OT, #76 overall
6. Javion Cohen (0.8951) (2020) - #25 OT, #333 overall
7. Damieon George (0.8884) (2020) - #31 OT, #390 overall
Latham and Brockermeyer were Top 6 national players in 2021, but Quick and Kight were both Top 76 in 2019.
We have 4 blue-chip tackles than can't beat out Chris Owens.
This post was edited on 10/26/21 at 10:56 am
Posted on 10/26/21 at 10:55 am to DT55Forever1
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I'll say it again. The OL issue is not the players.
It is Marrone
Could be. I think we all expected a better unit coming from an experienced nfl coach.
Posted on 10/26/21 at 11:02 am to SECSolomonGrundy
Marrone and BoB can both hit the road after the season as far as I’m concerned. Color me massively unimpressed with them both.
Posted on 10/26/21 at 11:11 am to tider04
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Marrone and BoB can both hit the road after the season as far as I’m concerned. Color me massively unimpressed with them both.
Strength of schedule: 7th of 130
Total offense: 10th of 130 (494 ypg)
Scoring offense: 2nd of 130 (45.9 ppg)
3rd down offense: 1st of 130 (58.3%)
Seems like they are doing alright to me for an offense that lost 8 starters, 5 of which were 1st round draft picks and 3 of the Top 5 Heisman candidates.
This post was edited on 10/26/21 at 11:12 am
Posted on 10/26/21 at 11:16 am to DLev45
BoB is doing a good job on the offense as a whole.
The OL as stated in many times in this thread has not played well overall. Very inconsistent performances from them. Quite a few of Young’s big throws and scrambles have come when the pocket has collapsed or is collapsing. Some of Robinson’s big runs have been the result of him turning short runs into longer ones. How much of that is because of Marrone I don’t know. But it feels like the offense is succeeding in spite of them at times.
The OL as stated in many times in this thread has not played well overall. Very inconsistent performances from them. Quite a few of Young’s big throws and scrambles have come when the pocket has collapsed or is collapsing. Some of Robinson’s big runs have been the result of him turning short runs into longer ones. How much of that is because of Marrone I don’t know. But it feels like the offense is succeeding in spite of them at times.
This post was edited on 10/26/21 at 11:17 am
Posted on 10/26/21 at 11:20 am to DLev45
Stats are great, but Bryce is saving their bacon this year by dodging bullets and running around like a madman because the OL is about as bad as I’ve seen under Saban. Lack of creative play calling has been a national story line (three passes in College Station inside the 5?) our run game seems to be handing it off up the gut. Where are the option plays? Toss sweeps? Counters? Jet sweeps? Reverses? How about a flea flicker or something creative? Heck, just watch an OM game and copy a few creative plays from Lane if you don’t have any creative juice yourself. All of our good OCs have coached from the sideline…Lane, Sark, etc…so they can talk to their QB and communicate with their guys. BoB sits up in the booth like an NFL guy with no connection to his guys…no ability to sit the OL down and motivate them eye ball to eye ball. I just don’t like his style and don’t think he’s a great fit. Marrone has been terrible. He inherited a roster of elite players and has produced a Vandy level product. In any other industry he’d be fired for performance issues.
Posted on 10/26/21 at 11:23 am to tider04
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Lack of creative play calling has been a national story line (three passes in College Station inside the 5?) our run game seems to be handing it off up the gut.
All the passes inside the 5 in College Station were a national story line because we DIDN'T run it up the gut.
Not because we weren't creative enough, but rather we were TOO CUTE.
Pick a lane.
This post was edited on 10/26/21 at 11:24 am
Posted on 10/26/21 at 11:24 am to DLev45
Context is key. There’s a time and place for creativity and a time and place to punch the ball in. Not hard to differentiate.
Posted on 10/26/21 at 11:31 am to tider04
A Vandy level product? We're averaging 45+ points per game.
Posted on 10/26/21 at 11:34 am to RollTide33
In spite of the OL. Imagine how good this offense could be if we got even mediocre play from this OL? If RT wasn’t a swinging gate and if our center wasn’t getting pushed 3 yards into the backfield every other play?
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