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re: Saban plans on playing both Tua and Jalen for the rest of the season

Posted on 9/26/18 at 10:44 am to
Posted by YStar
Member since Mar 2013
15181 posts
Posted on 9/26/18 at 10:44 am to
Could yoi imagine his meltdown if Tua got injured when we were up 35-7?

I've learned on this forum you just got to ignore people like that. Regardless they will always have an issue and there will always be a problem.

Unlike Kelly Bryant, Jalen has chosen to stay at his university and fully support his teammate Tua, his coaching staff, university and the fans.

If he had decided to transfer like Bryant this same guy would kill him for that too. He's damned of he does or if he doesn't with people like that.
Posted by prevatt33
Member since Dec 2011
2837 posts
Posted on 9/26/18 at 10:51 am to
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Jalen has become a problem. It's not his fault. I appreciate that he wants to stay, but he also has entitlement issues. He definitely wouldn't be "all in" if he was demoted to third team

In all reality, I agree that Jalen has hit his ceiling as a QB. He's not looking any better than he looked his freshman year. If anything, he looks worse.

Our backup snaps would be much more wisely given to Mac Jones, who could potentially develop into a real passing threat with more experience. He may not be as safe a bet as Hurts as a game manager, but Hurts won't get it done against our tough opponents anyway.

Does anyone here think that if Tua goes down, Hurts will save us vs. Clemson, LSU, Auburn, Georgia?
Hell no. Not with this defense, and not against the great QBs we've gotta face.
BUT Mac Jones might be able to if he was being given all of these snaps.

But let's also be honest. Saban is only pulling Tua so early because he's giving special treatment to Jalen. He admitted as much when he talked about his loyalty to Jalen.

I also think this situation is holding Tua back from asserting himself as the team captain and taking total ownership. He's gotta keep pretending that he loves watching Jalen play half of every game. It's so stupid

This has become a detrimental situation, and as I said before the season started, I wish Jalen would just leave.


"I hate so much about the things you choose to be."

Seriously, though. Your above post is shockingly out of touch. I don't really have a significant problem with you potentially thinking Mac Jones is a better # 2. I don't agree, but it's not tinfoil hat crazy. The rest, however, is actually batshit insanity to any person who ever played meaningful competitive football.

The game doesn't work the way you described. The QB doesn't "take total ownership." That's for football movies in the 4th act, and immature, child-like nonsense. A QB is just one of the 11 players on offense. He's usually the captain of the offense, but that involves calling plays, very similar to the Mike LB on defense. However, neither the QB nor the Mike LB are necessarily the heart and soul of a team, and frequently completely different players are the biggest leaders between plays.

Your fictitious idealizing of this position is comical and concerning. I hope this level of misunderstanding and fantasy doesn't invade other aspects of your life, as you seem to be a very unstable person. I'm not saying you're bad, just potentially incapable of making logical, human inferences based on environmental stimuli.

Again, this is not an insult. It's more of a commentary on who you are from an Anthropological perspective.

You are so, so, so completely wrong about Tua, Jalen, Bama, Saban, and football as whole, yet you can never be convinced otherwise and are 100% permanently down the rabbit hole of your delusion. It's fascinating. Like you're a character from Requiem for a Dream.
This post was edited on 9/26/18 at 10:53 am
Posted by TidalSurge1
Ft Walton Beach
Member since Sep 2016
36467 posts
Posted on 9/26/18 at 11:05 am to
Posted by IB4bama
Pelham
Member since Oct 2017
1977 posts
Posted on 9/26/18 at 11:38 am to
Lets hope Jalen gets a very warm reception when he enters the game this Saturday.
Posted by McGregor
Member since Feb 2011
6313 posts
Posted on 9/26/18 at 11:43 am to
quote:

Jalen has become a problem.


those 4 Td's/1 Int in mop-up duty are really killing us.
Posted by CAbamafan
Member since Dec 2017
1167 posts
Posted on 9/26/18 at 1:12 pm to
Let's go over the critical points of my post:

1. Jalen wouldn't be this great team guy if he was demoted to third team. - I think that one's pretty obvious
2. Mac Jones has a higher ceiling, therefore he should be getting all of this mop-up work. - Like you said, not crazy
3. Nick Saban is giving Jalen special treatment. - he practically admitted as much in a recent press conference
4. This is keeping Tua from being able to step into the captain's role. Tua could be a great leader for this team, like McCarron but even better. He's a natural leader. Having Jalen lurking around as a "co-QB" is keeping him from fully taking the reigns, and having all eyes on him in the locker room.. This is a less significant aspect of the problem, but I still don't like it. Tua could be for us what Tebow was to the Gators
This post was edited on 9/26/18 at 1:15 pm
Posted by Syd
Member since Sep 2012
2965 posts
Posted on 9/26/18 at 1:31 pm to
1. Hypothetical
2. Would you rather have Jalen or Mac staart in Death Valley?
3. "practically"? It is a special situation that needed to be handled differently but in SEC play Jalen has came in at the same time any backup would.
4. Come on man, all of this is your opinion.
Posted by MoarKilometers
Member since Apr 2015
17908 posts
Posted on 9/26/18 at 1:33 pm to
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those 4 Td's/1 Int in mop-up duty are really killing us

Feel free to include multiple fumbles.
Posted by TideWarrior
Asheville/Chapel Hill NC
Member since Sep 2009
11834 posts
Posted on 9/26/18 at 2:09 pm to
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1. Jalen wouldn't be this great team guy if he was demoted to third team. - I think that one's pretty obvious


He is currently better then Mac not even close at this point in their careers. So fantasy scenario

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2. Mac Jones has a higher ceiling, therefore he should be getting all of this mop-up work. - Like you said, not crazy


Really? How do you know? I did not know you were a professional QB coach. I have yet to see anything in the game that would suggest he is better or would put us in a better situation to win then Jalen.

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3. Nick Saban is giving Jalen special treatment. - he practically admitted as much in a recent press conference



You mean do anything you can to keep around a QB that would start at probably 75% of the programs in DI. The same QB that went 10-1 against ranked teams as a true freshman or 15-2 overall in 2 years. The 1 loss he actually did what he needed to win the NC but it was the defense that allowed the winning TD by Clemson. The QB as a true freshman that already won in Death Valley. Yeah your'e right Saban has no clue and the dumbest coach ever to convince a starting QB to stay and be a back up. To bad he does not follow Dabo's lead and let him go.

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4. This is keeping Tua from being able to step into the captain's role. Tua could be a great leader for this team, like McCarron but even better. He's a natural leader. Having Jalen lurking around as a "co-QB" is keeping him from fully taking the reigns, and having all eyes on him in the locker room.. This is a less significant aspect of the problem, but I still don't like it. Tua could be for us what Tebow was to the Gators


You mean the same McCarron that almost got in a fight during a game with his OL. Everything in this statement is pure speculation and nothing more.
This post was edited on 9/26/18 at 2:12 pm
Posted by Sneaky__Sally
Member since Jul 2015
12364 posts
Posted on 9/26/18 at 2:23 pm to
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Tua could be for us what Tebow was to the Gators


You want him to get beat in the SEC Championship his final year and cry on the sideline as another program overtakes Bama as the undeniable flagship of the conference? No thanks.

- i know i didn't reply to the right person.
This post was edited on 9/26/18 at 2:24 pm
Posted by Carlton
Good Cop/Bad Cop
Member since Feb 2016
11683 posts
Posted on 9/26/18 at 2:54 pm to
I'm starting to believe what CAbama is saying about Jalen. I haven't heard anything on the field, but I have heard issues concerning Wednesday Bible study. Jalen usually leads it but a lot of people believe Tua provides a more accurate interpretation of the scriptures. Everybody thought Tua would take over once Jalen transferred but now that he is staying it is threatening to tear the class apart. I've heard Mac Jones' spiritual growth has especially been stunted due to the situation. This is probably not going to end well.
Posted by 14&Counting
Eugene, OR
Member since Jul 2012
37618 posts
Posted on 9/26/18 at 3:04 pm to
quote:

Jalen usually leads it but a lot of people believe Tua provides a more accurate interpretation of the scriptures.


Tua laid his hands upon me and my jock itch miraculously cleared up.
Posted by TidalSurge1
Ft Walton Beach
Member since Sep 2016
36467 posts
Posted on 9/26/18 at 4:32 pm to
Tua Tagovailoa named national Maxwell Award Player of the Week

This post was edited on 9/26/18 at 4:45 pm
Posted by Sauron
Birmingham
Member since Dec 2015
994 posts
Posted on 9/26/18 at 4:40 pm to
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Tua laid his hands upon me and my jock itch miraculously cleared up.


Personally, I'd be tempted to say "athlete's foot," rather than jock itch.

Just to avoid any possible misunderstanding or embarrassment, you understand.
Posted by prevatt33
Member since Dec 2011
2837 posts
Posted on 9/26/18 at 5:43 pm to
quote:

1. Jalen wouldn't be this great team guy if he was demoted to third team. - I think that one's pretty obvious


Not only do I completely disagree, I think it's completely obvious that the opposite is true.

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2. Mac Jones has a higher ceiling, therefore he should be getting all of this mop-up work. - Like you said, not crazy


Mac Jones may have a higher ceiling passing the football, but you are discounting 2 things: Jalen's progression this season, which is noticeable (All Praise be Dan Enos), and his ability to move the chains with his legs. We can win with Jalen if Tua goes down.

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3. Nick Saban is giving Jalen special treatment. - he practically admitted as much in a recent press conference


There isn't a shred of logical evidence on earth to support this conclusion. In CFB, the management of QBs has changed dramatically in the last 5 years. It's imperative to be seen as a place that's QB friendly. Remember when Saban was against the new transfer rules, but said it'd definitely benefit Bama? Yeah, this is why. We're a desirable destination, and Saban is keeping it that way.

The same thing just happened at Clemson. They let Kelly Bryan know the deal before game 5. Reality has changed in CFB, and you haven't changed with it.

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4. This is keeping Tua from being able to step into the captain's role. Tua could be a great leader for this team, like McCarron but even better. He's a natural leader. Having Jalen lurking around as a "co-QB" is keeping him from fully taking the reigns, and having all eyes on him in the locker room.. This is a less significant aspect of the problem, but I still don't like it. Tua could be for us what Tebow was to the Gators


As far as I can tell, this is Tua's offense and it dances to his heartbeat. What more do you want? Him to flense his receivers and wear their skin? Drop his seed into the Oline's mothers? There is literally nothing standing in Tua's way in any capacity in any aspect of his life. You are either have some form of football-specific schizophrenia, or you are an excellent troll.

None of what you say makes any sense to anyone but you. I think you are simply continuing to beat this nonsensical horse because you find pleasure in being the center of attention in a thread like this, despite being the butt of all it's jokes. You are like Jersey Shore, the person.


Posted by CAbamafan
Member since Dec 2017
1167 posts
Posted on 9/26/18 at 5:44 pm to
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2. Would you rather have Jalen or Mac staart in Death Valley?

At this point, we'd have no choice but to start Jalen considering all of the reps he's had, but I think we'd most likely lose.

This is my point. I'd much rather have had Jalen transfer out, and establish Mac as our 2nd guy, receiving all of this mop-up duty. In that scenario I like our chances with Mac
Posted by Funky Tide 8
Tittleman's Crest
Member since Feb 2009
52685 posts
Posted on 9/26/18 at 5:51 pm to
quote:

This is my point. I'd much rather have had Jalen transfer out, and establish Mac as our 2nd guy, receiving all of this mop-up duty. In that scenario I like our chances with Mac




Your point is a bad one.
Posted by YStar
Member since Mar 2013
15181 posts
Posted on 9/26/18 at 6:18 pm to
The irony of all this is Jalen has thrown more TDs then the great Stidham.

He's no NFL QB and if he were my son I'd have advised him to move to safety, but he's still better than most college QBs and probably the best backup in the nation.
Posted by TidalSurge1
Ft Walton Beach
Member since Sep 2016
36467 posts
Posted on 9/26/18 at 6:25 pm to


This post was edited on 9/27/18 at 10:14 am
Posted by Syd
Member since Sep 2012
2965 posts
Posted on 9/26/18 at 6:31 pm to
quote:

This is my point. I'd much rather have had Jalen transfer out, and establish Mac as our 2nd guy, receiving all of this mop-up duty. In that scenario I like our chances with Mac


This guy, you'd be the worst coach in college football history.
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