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re: Oklahoma/Texas petition to Join SEC
Posted on 7/22/21 at 2:43 pm to ss4bama12
Posted on 7/22/21 at 2:43 pm to ss4bama12
The secnetwork graphic was interesting.
Pod 1: UGA, UF, USC, UK
Pod 2: UA, AU, TENN, VAN
Pod 3: LSU, MISS ST, UM, TAMU
Pod 4: ARKY, MIZ, UT, OU
You would pay every team in your Pod each year, and two in every other pod. You should host every team every 4 years. 9 conference games each year.
I could get used to it, though it would mean losing the LSU rivalry, and i don't know how you would determine the champion. I do see how something like this that could cause controversy if a school was left out could bolster their playoff chances and get more teams in.
Pod 1: UGA, UF, USC, UK
Pod 2: UA, AU, TENN, VAN
Pod 3: LSU, MISS ST, UM, TAMU
Pod 4: ARKY, MIZ, UT, OU
You would pay every team in your Pod each year, and two in every other pod. You should host every team every 4 years. 9 conference games each year.
I could get used to it, though it would mean losing the LSU rivalry, and i don't know how you would determine the champion. I do see how something like this that could cause controversy if a school was left out could bolster their playoff chances and get more teams in.
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Posted on 7/22/21 at 3:20 pm to Remiden
Those 4 Pods are good geographically and fairly well balanced, with each containing a couple stronger teams and a couple weaker teams. It should work quite well for intra-SEC scheduling. The inter-pod opponents could be rotated every year or every other year; only 1- or 2-year breaks between rotational matchups.
This post was edited on 7/23/21 at 11:31 am
Posted on 7/22/21 at 3:24 pm to Remiden
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The secnetwork graphic was interesting.
Pod 1: UGA, UF, USC, UK
Pod 2: UA, AU, TENN, VAN
Pod 3: LSU, MISS ST, UM, TAMU
Pod 4: ARKY, MIZ, UT, OU
That is what I posted yesterday on the Rant. Same pod setup.
I proposed though playing the 3 in your pod and 2 other pods for an 11 game conference schedule. rotation would be the same except rotating the whole pod. Then the top 2 based on record and ranking for play for the SECCG as a qtr final for the playoffs. Assuming the other conferences follow suit.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 6:55 pm to TideWarrior
West Virginia is trash
Posted on 7/22/21 at 10:33 pm to RiverCityTider
Looking at this from a purely UA point of view, how does this help us? Sure, we’re all heading towards megaconferences, a 12 team playoff, and we’d get more money….but does that make things easier or harder for Alabama Football? Does adding two blue bloods (I’m calling Texas one even though they don’t deserve it) create a tougher atmosphere for our program to recruit and win championships?….which is all that matters. Take into account that we are on the backend of the Saban era.
It’s amazing how college football just can’t go a decade without reshuffling the dynamics of the sport.
It’s amazing how college football just can’t go a decade without reshuffling the dynamics of the sport.
Posted on 7/23/21 at 7:20 am to FairhopeTider
I don't really the advantage either. This would save Texas football and could create a monster.
Texas NEEDS this.
Texas NEEDS this.
Posted on 7/23/21 at 8:07 am to RiverCityTider
And reports are this morning that Texas A&M was purposefully left in the dark.
That pisses me off that Sankey would do that to a current institution. This is basically what Texas does and it’s why their conference usually implodes. They want shite done their way.
The allure of Texas isn’t worth the risk of adding them but I have the feeling that Sankey and ADs are too caught up looking at the $$$ here.
That pisses me off that Sankey would do that to a current institution. This is basically what Texas does and it’s why their conference usually implodes. They want shite done their way.
The allure of Texas isn’t worth the risk of adding them but I have the feeling that Sankey and ADs are too caught up looking at the $$$ here.
Posted on 7/23/21 at 9:52 am to FairhopeTider
Posted on 7/23/21 at 9:58 am to FairhopeTider
I think it is simple preservation. As it has been stated, add Oklahoma and Texas to the big 12, and they will get 4 playoff spots each year and that generates a ton of money for that conference.
Add them to the Sec, and it probably gets 4 or 5. UA, OU, LSU, UGA are perrienal NC challengers (im being nice to LSU there) TX, AU, TAMU, FLA are close behind.
If you don't add them, who out there has the impact they would have with viewership and prestige? NC, Clemson, Fla St, Miami, UVA?
We are certainly going to supper conferences. You make this move and the SEC is number one period. No other conference would be able to bring teams in to challenge it. That is what they are seeing. That is a ton of guaranteed money every year that really helps improve the schools. Alabama doesn't need Texas or Oklahoma, and a couple other schools could say the same, but their inclusion would be very beneficial for USC, UK, Miss St, UM, Mizz, Arky, just from the financial side.
The big 12 doesn't really stand a chance the way this is going. Members of other big conferences are not leaving to join the big 12, and who could they arguably add? Cincinnati, SMU, Appy st? They would have to raid the sunbelt or Mac.
I understand TAMUs stance, but as a Bama fan, we deal with Auburn in state every year. They need to man up.
Add them to the Sec, and it probably gets 4 or 5. UA, OU, LSU, UGA are perrienal NC challengers (im being nice to LSU there) TX, AU, TAMU, FLA are close behind.
If you don't add them, who out there has the impact they would have with viewership and prestige? NC, Clemson, Fla St, Miami, UVA?
We are certainly going to supper conferences. You make this move and the SEC is number one period. No other conference would be able to bring teams in to challenge it. That is what they are seeing. That is a ton of guaranteed money every year that really helps improve the schools. Alabama doesn't need Texas or Oklahoma, and a couple other schools could say the same, but their inclusion would be very beneficial for USC, UK, Miss St, UM, Mizz, Arky, just from the financial side.
The big 12 doesn't really stand a chance the way this is going. Members of other big conferences are not leaving to join the big 12, and who could they arguably add? Cincinnati, SMU, Appy st? They would have to raid the sunbelt or Mac.
I understand TAMUs stance, but as a Bama fan, we deal with Auburn in state every year. They need to man up.
Posted on 7/23/21 at 10:17 am to Remiden
This happening while Saban is at UA is great. We are expanding the conference leaving the others behind if it does happen.
In the end it will only bolster UA as the best in the country. aTm joining opened the doors for Saban into Texas and UT joining will not hurt but help us in the end. The programs that will suffer from this will be aTm and LSU. Before aTm joining LSU had the only real foothold for recruiting in the state of Texas. aTm joined and the SEC became a major player in that TV market helping UA recruit there. LSU was hurt by it and now will even more so now. Texas will crush aTm hopes now.
Without expansion for the playoffs it would guarantee 2 spots almost every year for the SEC. With expansion we will see 3 to 4 teams every year.
If this were to happen after Saban retires I would worry but this will be great for our program.
In the end it will only bolster UA as the best in the country. aTm joining opened the doors for Saban into Texas and UT joining will not hurt but help us in the end. The programs that will suffer from this will be aTm and LSU. Before aTm joining LSU had the only real foothold for recruiting in the state of Texas. aTm joined and the SEC became a major player in that TV market helping UA recruit there. LSU was hurt by it and now will even more so now. Texas will crush aTm hopes now.
Without expansion for the playoffs it would guarantee 2 spots almost every year for the SEC. With expansion we will see 3 to 4 teams every year.
If this were to happen after Saban retires I would worry but this will be great for our program.
Posted on 7/23/21 at 10:21 am to Remiden
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The big 12 doesn't really stand a chance the way this is going. Members of other big conferences are not leaving to join the big 12, and who could they arguably add? Cincinnati, SMU, Appy st? They would have to raid the sunbelt or Mac.
I disagree as the B12 can grow from this if smart. Schools in the PAC 10 already struggle because of time slots on TV and lets not kid ourselves this is all about TV money. I could see the B12 go after AU, ASU, CU and Utah. Also they could pull in BYU, SMU, Houston, Cincy, or Memphis.
Another big one for them to go after would be Nebraska. Who has struggled in the B10 but could become the top dog in the B12.
In the end Texas and OU joining will not be the big news to follow but it will be the B12 and PAC 12 fighting over who they can grab.
Posted on 7/23/21 at 10:24 am to East Coast Band
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I, for one, am in favor of this.
What a stellar conference we'd have.
Would force a minimum 10 game conference slate.
Whether or not you are in favor, consolidation is going to happen.
Would you rather add Texas and Oklahoma, or let them go to another conference, and us ultimately adding VA Tech or something like that?
If it's going to happen, lead the way. These two would easily be in the top half of "importance" in the conference.
I'd probably rank it something like (and there's some recency bias here):
1) Alabama
2) Florida
3) LSU
4) Oklahoma
5) Texas
6) Georgia
...and after that who gives a shite...
Posted on 7/23/21 at 10:27 am to FairhopeTider
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And reports are this morning that Texas A&M was purposefully left in the dark.
That pisses me off that Sankey would do that to a current institution. This is basically what Texas does and it’s why their conference usually implodes. They want shite done their way.
The allure of Texas isn’t worth the risk of adding them but I have the feeling that Sankey and ADs are too caught up looking at the $$$ here.
I do not care how it happened to be honest. Allowing aTm in on the conversation would have hindered if not prevented this possibility. Why should aTm have the power to determine the fate of the conference especially if the other 13 schools are on board?
Posted on 7/23/21 at 10:34 am to TideWarrior
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Why should aTm have the power to determine the fate of the conference especially if the other 13 schools are on board?
This.
While it looks bad on the surface, the Aggies can get over it. It also shows that they’re scared of being in the same conference with Texas - which is a bad look as well.
Posted on 7/23/21 at 10:43 am to RollTide1987
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It also shows that they’re scared of being in the same conference with Texas - which is a bad look as well.
They aren't scared of Texas. They know how conniving the Texas boosters and administration are and they don't want to deal with them again.
I live in Texas and those people are fricking nuts.
Posted on 7/23/21 at 10:48 am to TideSaint
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They know how conniving the Texas boosters and administration are and they don't want to deal with them again.
They deal with their boosters on an almost daily basis on the recruiting trail. They all recruit the same athletes in Texas. As far as their administration is concerned, Sankey has proven himself to be a fair and firm commissioner - easily the best and most powerful in all the FBS. I think he will be able to police their shite.
Posted on 7/23/21 at 11:01 am to RollTide1987
The Aggies were treated like the red headed step child. TX got their way, more money, etc. They had plenty of reason to want a divorce.
Posted on 7/23/21 at 11:03 am to IB4bama
I get that. But they need to trust Sankey and the SEC.
Posted on 7/23/21 at 11:04 am to RollTide1987
if the FB goes to 4 super conferences of 16 each then I see them breaking away from the NCAA with Sankey as the FB Czar.
Posted on 7/23/21 at 11:18 am to FairhopeTider
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Looking at this from a purely UA point of view, how does this help us? Sure, we’re all heading towards megaconferences, a 12 team playoff, and we’d get more money….but does that make things easier or harder for Alabama Football? Does adding two blue bloods (I’m calling Texas one even though they don’t deserve it) create a tougher atmosphere for our program to recruit and win championships?….which is all that matters. Take into account that we are on the backend of the Saban era.
The writing is on the wall where college football is headed, if you take away the actual college aspect we're basically going to be an NFL developmental league. The SEC kicked it off by bringing in the only two football blue bloods available. The other 3 conferences are now panicking and bringing in whoever they can get.
4 super conferences, one in each region, expanded playoff, and $ incentive for schools and players to participate in the best.
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