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re: Oklahoma/Texas petition to Join SEC
Posted on 7/24/21 at 10:15 am to TidalSurge1
Posted on 7/24/21 at 10:15 am to TidalSurge1
BIG should remove Rutgers and then add Kansas St.
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Posted on 7/24/21 at 10:46 am to TidalSurge1
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play 11 in-conf games
I am advocating for this no matter how the pods/divisions play out.
Posted on 7/24/21 at 10:47 am to WeBleedCrimson
I think ND is a better fit for the B10.
I also think two Big 12 teams get left out. If things go to 4 super conferences ND will take a spot and I could see BYU as well.
I also think two Big 12 teams get left out. If things go to 4 super conferences ND will take a spot and I could see BYU as well.
Posted on 7/24/21 at 10:55 am to TideWarrior
ND is clearly a better fit for the BIG but they signed a long-term agreement with the ACC to join it IF they join a conference. The PAC would not accept BYU during the last realignment.
This post was edited on 7/24/21 at 11:20 am
Posted on 7/24/21 at 11:01 am to WeBleedCrimson
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BIG should remove Rutgers and then add Kansas St.
I doubt they'll ditch the NJ TV market for some Kansas TV market.
This post was edited on 7/24/21 at 11:19 am
Posted on 7/24/21 at 11:31 am to TidalSurge1
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ND is a better fit for the BIG but they signed a long-term agreement with the ACC to join it IF they join a conference.
I would imagine ND has some stipulation that would allow them out of it if things go to these super conferences.
If I was the B12(8 now) I would go after AU, ASU, Utah, and CU. All PAC 12 schools that have concerns with their placement of the of the conference which is mainly LA and the Pacific NW. PAC 12 TV deal is awful and they constantly complain about it not just the money but the times for their games. Those 4 come to the B12 they would be better off. Then I would offer BYU a seat at the table and go get Nebraska to come home. Frost and their program is not meeting the expectations of joining the B10. Come back with UT and OU gone they could become a contender for the playoffs sooner then later. Also grab Houston and SMU to make sure every TV market in the state of Texas is covered.
B12 Pods:
Arizona, Arizona State, Utah, BYU
Nebraska, Colorado, Iowa State, WVU
Okie State, Kansas, Kansas State, SMU
Baylor, TCU, TTU, Houston
That would a better conference for football than the PAC12 and the ACC(since they only have Clemson).
This post was edited on 7/24/21 at 11:33 am
Posted on 7/24/21 at 2:31 pm to SoFla Tideroller
quote:They really have little choice. It's not just about the money, though that is a primary driver of course but it's more about control. How do they get control of college athletics and football and NIL? The Supreme Court has already ruled against the NCAA even addressing NIL and... But conferences can formulate such rules. There are many other issues such as rules enforcement, scheduling, etc.
It is clear that the leaders of the SEC schools don't care one iota about the feelings of their fans and alumni. The overwhelming majority of fans are against this. I'm afraid the neverending chase for the almighty dollar will destroy not just the SEC but college athletics itself.
This is what Emmert was talking about when he made his "decentralization" communication.
Sankey has publicly expressed his frustration with Emmert's and the NCAA's lack of movement on NIL and enforcement (the FBI related stuff, etc.).
Posted on 7/24/21 at 3:00 pm to narddogg81
Welcome aboard. It would be cool to play Texas and OU. The SEC has been a pile of mediocrity the last few years. Bring on some new blood.
Posted on 7/24/21 at 3:39 pm to TideWarrior
I think your earlier take is more likely:
SEC (16)
E: GA, FLA, UK, SC, TN, Van, UA, AU
W: LSU, A&M, OM, MS, AR, MO, TX, OK
ACC (16)
N: BC, Syr, Pit, VT, VA, Lville, WVU, ND
S. NC, NCS, DU, WF, CL, GT, FSU, Mia
B1G (16)
E: Rtg, MD, PSU, OSU, UM, MS, IN, Pur
W: NW, IL, WI, MN, Iowa, ISU, Neb, Kan
PAC (16)
W: SC, UCLA, Stn, Cal, OR, OS, WA, WS
E: AZ, AS, Utah, CO, TT, TCU, Bay, OkSt
Play 11 conf games (4 cross-div rotational). 12th game accommodates rivalries like UGA/GT, UK/Lville, UF/FSU, Clem/SC, ND/USC, Utah/BYU, etc. Other compelling inter-conference games would occur in the expanded CFP and Bowls.
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If this were to happen I believe the B12 will no longer exist. The B10 will go after any research institution that can meet the endowment criteria and the PAC will go after what is left to expand the coverage for TV.
Lets say the SEC takes 2, the B10 takes 2, the ACC takes 2 and the PAC 12 takes 4. The B12 only has 10 members and with my example all have a home and we now have 4 Super conferences of 16 teams each. The wrench is ND who will be forced to join or get left out.
SEC (16)
E: GA, FLA, UK, SC, TN, Van, UA, AU
W: LSU, A&M, OM, MS, AR, MO, TX, OK
ACC (16)
N: BC, Syr, Pit, VT, VA, Lville, WVU, ND
S. NC, NCS, DU, WF, CL, GT, FSU, Mia
B1G (16)
E: Rtg, MD, PSU, OSU, UM, MS, IN, Pur
W: NW, IL, WI, MN, Iowa, ISU, Neb, Kan
PAC (16)
W: SC, UCLA, Stn, Cal, OR, OS, WA, WS
E: AZ, AS, Utah, CO, TT, TCU, Bay, OkSt
Play 11 conf games (4 cross-div rotational). 12th game accommodates rivalries like UGA/GT, UK/Lville, UF/FSU, Clem/SC, ND/USC, Utah/BYU, etc. Other compelling inter-conference games would occur in the expanded CFP and Bowls.
This post was edited on 7/26/21 at 12:23 pm
Posted on 7/26/21 at 11:14 am to TidalSurge1
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SEC (16)
E: GA, FLA, UK, SC, TN, Van, UA, AU
W: LSU, A&M, OM, MS, AR, MO, TX, OK
ACC (16)
N: BC, Syr, Pit, VT, VA, Lville, WVU, ND
S. NC, NCS, DU, WF, CL, GT, FSU, Mia
B1G (16)
E: Rtg, MD, PSU, OSU, UM, MS, IN, Pur
W: NW, IL, WI, MN, Iowa, ISU, Neb, Kan
PAC (16)
W: SC, UCLA, Stn, Cal, OR, OS, WA, WS
E: AZ, AS, Utah, CO, TT, TCU, Bay, OkSt
Play 11 conf games (4 cross-div rotational).
I feel bad for Kansas State in this model. They disappear into oblivion with the likes of Cincinnati and Bowling Green.
Posted on 7/26/21 at 11:44 am to RolltidePA
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I feel bad for Kansas State in this model. They disappear into oblivion with the likes of Cincinnati and Bowling Green.
Iowa St to B1G and WVU to ACC seem very likely. Perhaps the B12 conf (5 or 6 teams left over) can add enough good "G5" teams (e.g., BYU, Boise, SDS, Air Force, Col St, Cinc, Tulsa, Memphis, Louisiana, Tulane, Houston, SMU, UCF, Army, Navy, Liberty) for a 16-team "P5" conference. But lining up a good TV deal for that seems like the key for it happening.
This post was edited on 7/26/21 at 1:35 pm
Posted on 7/26/21 at 12:31 pm to TideWarrior
I don't see how the B12 survives this, you're losing your two biggest guns. How do you even recruit schools to a conference that may not even be around in 3 years? Even if they are, they wouldn't even be called a power conference. I think the remaining 3 conferences are now in scramble mode and want to grab whatever is left.
Unfortunately, some schools will be sitting outside and looking in but it happens.
Unfortunately, some schools will be sitting outside and looking in but it happens.
Posted on 7/26/21 at 1:08 pm to TheNameIsDalton
If the Big 12 survives, it will be in name only like how the Big East/AAC is basically just the former C-USA. They'll lose any P5 treatment they currently get. I think KU and WVU get out, but the others are going to be trapped in what's basically C-USA from 2005
Posted on 7/26/21 at 2:06 pm to TidalSurge1
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SEC (16)
E: GA, FLA, UK, SC, TN, Van, UA, AU
W: LSU, A&M, OM, MS, AR, MO, TX, OK
If I had my choice, I'd add Oklahoma, Texas, FSU and Clemson.
Texas A & M and Missouri to the Big 12 if they still exist. Vanderbilt and South Carolina to the ACC.
We would by all accounts have the top conference and competition would be crazy.
And Bama and Auburn should already be in the East. We would be able to keep the rivalry games (Bama/Tenn and Barn/UGA) and it makes sense geographically.
This post was edited on 7/26/21 at 2:07 pm
Posted on 7/26/21 at 2:35 pm to TheNameIsDalton
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I don't see how the B12 survives this, you're losing your two biggest guns. How do you even recruit schools to a conference that may not even be around in 3 years? Even if they are, they wouldn't even be called a power conference. I think the remaining 3 conferences are now in scramble mode and want to grab whatever is left.
Unfortunately, some schools will be sitting outside and looking in but it happens.
For the B12 to survive and I doubt they will they have to take a simple approach. The SEC no one will match. The B10 is #2 but after that if there are going to be 4 super conferences how do they get in the top 4.
The ACC has Clemson and the rest of the conference sucks right now. They have some former name brands like Miami, FSU, and VT who have never really met the expectations the ACC thought they would when they joined.
The PAC12 is about the LA teams and the Pacific NW and really has no power. Lets look at the last few years in the playoffs. It has been 5 years since they have gotten in. B12 moved in and took 4 of their teams the PAC12 would be in trouble. They could offer better time slots and with the expansion of the playoffs they would get a team in probably every year.
Posted on 7/26/21 at 2:37 pm to TideWarrior
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The ACC has Clemson and the rest of the conference sucks right now. They have some former name brands like Miami, FSU, and VT who have never really met the expectations the ACC thought they would when they joined.
This cold also happen to Texas and OU if and when they join. They might not do as expected.
Posted on 7/26/21 at 11:34 pm to TideWarrior
Posted on 7/27/21 at 12:01 am to TideWarrior
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The ACC has Clemson and the rest of the conference sucks right now. They have some former name brands like Miami, FSU, and VT who have never really met the expectations the ACC thought they would when they joined.
I think this season UNC and Miami both will be really good, and if Milton can be the player he once was then FSU could be sneaky.
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The PAC12 is about the LA teams and the Pacific NW and really has no power.
Oregon with Cristobal can build something nice, and with Phil Knight for NIL deals I think Oregon could take a leap forward. Sooner or later USC has to get back to form.
Posted on 7/27/21 at 7:10 am to TidalSurge1
I just wonder, especially at this point, if the money is actually there or if they expect it to be there for much longer. If a good percentage of viewers are streaming, it's going to come down to individuals making that purchase and good games = more viewers. If the SEC Network becomes an option on ESPN+ (it might already be, please correct me if I'm wrong), I see that being way more profitable than trying to sell sports packages in markets where no one cares about them
Posted on 7/27/21 at 12:06 pm to Bama Bird
The big player going forward in regards to TV contracts is going to be Amazon and Apple TV. My understanding both are getting ready to dump more into the streaming/TV services than ESPN or anyone else can.
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