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re: Numbers show Jalen Hurts has grown as a passer
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:48 am to BamaReb
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:48 am to BamaReb
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It interesting to me that when someone starts at thread with an article praising Hurts’ improvement, that another supposed Bama fan feels the need to go immediately dig up an internet posting from someone that isn’t a professional scout bashing Hurts.
As a newbie around here, you haven't lived through the Saga of Jalen Hurts. The articles being posted are largely responses themselves. There are some here that, after calling a guy like Holcolmbe straight trash, are unable to listen to any criticism of their favorite player, Hurts. So, anytime they find an article praising him they bring it straight here. It's an argument that's been going for over a year.
There's some truth to both sides. Hurts isn't a natural passer. But, he has improved in a lot of areas. I'd say he's still not GOOD in the overall passing game. Someone will post some stats that show nothing but the results of what the coaches and team have been able to achieve in the passing game. I'll say he's improved, AND the coaches have improved in calling and planning a game with a limited passer. He is what he is - good runner and mediocre passer. We can win with him, but we're not going to carve up defenses with a dynamic pro passing attack.
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Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:49 am to Huddie Leadbetter
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Further, you have a few morons that can't discuss things rationally and have to resort to personal attacks
I'm guilty of this. I let LukeSidewalker's trolling get to me last night.
I didn't recognize it as him antagonizing and trolling me until this morning. I gulped that hook down.
But I insulted others as well. I shouldnt have insulted anyone via personal attack, and thats on me.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:49 am to Teague
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There are some here that, after calling a guy like Holcolmbe straight trash, are unable to listen to any criticism of their favorite player, Hurts.
excellent point
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:52 am to VaBamaMan
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I'm guilty of this. I let LukeSidewalker's trolling get to me last night.
I didn't recognize it as him antagonizing and trolling me until this morning. I gulped that hook down.
But I insulted others as well. I shouldnt have insulted anyone via personal attack, and thats on me.
Well, I try not to personally attack others, and most of the time I am good with it, but after a while, when some guy just keeps on and on with inane trash talk, I unleash a few of my own. There was one perfect guy, and he got crucified for it.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:53 am to Huddie Leadbetter
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but I'm not sure being 2nd string it totally ok with him. These comments were after he committed...
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“It gets me excited that Coach Saban does stick with his claim that the best will play in every situation,” Tagovailoa said. “The opportunity to see that Jalen got to play sparks a fire under me. It excites me that he stayed true to his word, not that he started a freshman. Every kid who is getting recruited by colleges wants to hear and see that.
“In a year, in a perfect world I still believe I’ll be at Alabama if everything works out the right way.”
Where, in this quote, does he imply that he isn't ok with being second string?
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:58 am to Huddie Leadbetter
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Well, I try not to personally attack others, and most of the time I am good with it, but after a while, when some guy just keeps on and on with inane trash talk, I unleash a few of my own. There was one perfect guy, and he got crucified for it.
What got me about him interacting with you last night, is he wanted you to state your sports experience. After you said football, he asked what position(s) you played and how good you were.
When he later said he never played football at all.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 11:01 am to Funky Tide 8
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Funky Tide 8
I have read enough of your posts to know that you're not one of the ignorant sons of benches that can't reason for himself so I really shouldn't have to explain it to you, but...
When he says “It gets me excited that Coach Saban does stick with his claim that the best will play in every situation” and then follows it with ...“In a year, in a perfect world I still believe I’ll be at Alabama if everything works out the right way.” it's a clear indication, imo, that he thinks he's good enough to play.
Honestly, the times he has played, he has looked better than Hurts, in my opinion. Yeah yeah yeah. He's coming in when the game is at hand and yada yada yada yada. Thing is, at some times he has come in vs the very same defensive players, and with the same offensive players on his side, and immediately made plays that Hurts had not made all game.
This post was edited on 11/17/17 at 11:03 am
Posted on 11/17/17 at 11:08 am to VaBamaMan
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What got me about him interacting with you last night, is he wanted you to state your sports experience. After you said football, he asked what position(s) you played and how good you were.
yeah. That was totally goofy. As if that had anything at all to do with the discussion. But actually, he asked "how good was you". I'm no grammar policeman and I make mistakes all the time, but earlier, he had mentioned low IQ. One should not question the intelligence of others when he is clearly, himself, not a smart fellow. Oh but, community college!
Posted on 11/17/17 at 11:25 am to VaBamaMan
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What got me about him interacting with you last night, is he wanted you to state your sports experience. After you said football, he asked what position(s) you played and how good you were.
When he later said he never played football at all.
It amazes me how much trolling occurs on this board. Take that shite to the rant.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 11:25 am to Huddie Leadbetter
Huddie -
You did preface it with "I'm not sure," but nowhere in Tua's comments do I see him say "I have to be the starter or 1st string" ... he wants to play...and he has gotten opportunities to play as a true freshman, at one of the most prestigious universities in the country. I haven't seen where he has indicated he was unhappy with this season. I have seen this same quote on here before. (Just because I'm new to posting and being in this forum, doesn't mean I haven't been lurking...for years.)
And not trying to be antagonistic, but calling people morons and complaining about personal attacks in the same sentence seems just a little hypocritical.
Everyone should be excited about both of the quarterbacks we have.
Question (and not pointed to you, Huddie): I've seen on another board comments about Kiffin being totally hungover and pretty much out of it for the Washington game (had to get IVs)...and calling plays that weren't even part of the playbook. I haven't seen mention of it here. Has anyone else heard these rumors? There was even mention of Sark in the title game having issues calling plays.
You did preface it with "I'm not sure," but nowhere in Tua's comments do I see him say "I have to be the starter or 1st string" ... he wants to play...and he has gotten opportunities to play as a true freshman, at one of the most prestigious universities in the country. I haven't seen where he has indicated he was unhappy with this season. I have seen this same quote on here before. (Just because I'm new to posting and being in this forum, doesn't mean I haven't been lurking...for years.)
And not trying to be antagonistic, but calling people morons and complaining about personal attacks in the same sentence seems just a little hypocritical.
Everyone should be excited about both of the quarterbacks we have.
Question (and not pointed to you, Huddie): I've seen on another board comments about Kiffin being totally hungover and pretty much out of it for the Washington game (had to get IVs)...and calling plays that weren't even part of the playbook. I haven't seen mention of it here. Has anyone else heard these rumors? There was even mention of Sark in the title game having issues calling plays.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 11:38 am to BamaReb
Throwing a tantrum and demanding to be the starter or 1st string would be stupid, childish, and counter productive. I don't know many players that would do that.
No. I don't know Tagovailoa but I wouldn't expect him to do some silly thing like that. I think he'll probably just transfer if he doesn't get a fair shot next season. If Hurts can win it all this year, then I am pretty sure it's his job till he is gone, and any reasonable man would think that is best. But, if we fail again, after last year's dismal offensive production in the title game, I think Tua should get a real look. I won't mince words. I think he's better.
The chart in another thread shows that Hurts is completing 29% of passes downfield and 35% of passes under pressure. That shouldn't be acceptable with our stable of wide receivers and backs. We have a guy on the bench that might can do better, and I think probably can do better. If we fail again, and he doesn't get a chance to prove he's better than that, I think he'll go, and his own comments allude to that possibility. He'd be stupid to say that directly. He's not stupid.
edit: you did ask, and you did so in a respectable and rational manner, so that's only why I responded at all about it. Have a good day. It's Friday and I have to go pay some subcontractors. RTR
No. I don't know Tagovailoa but I wouldn't expect him to do some silly thing like that. I think he'll probably just transfer if he doesn't get a fair shot next season. If Hurts can win it all this year, then I am pretty sure it's his job till he is gone, and any reasonable man would think that is best. But, if we fail again, after last year's dismal offensive production in the title game, I think Tua should get a real look. I won't mince words. I think he's better.
The chart in another thread shows that Hurts is completing 29% of passes downfield and 35% of passes under pressure. That shouldn't be acceptable with our stable of wide receivers and backs. We have a guy on the bench that might can do better, and I think probably can do better. If we fail again, and he doesn't get a chance to prove he's better than that, I think he'll go, and his own comments allude to that possibility. He'd be stupid to say that directly. He's not stupid.
edit: you did ask, and you did so in a respectable and rational manner, so that's only why I responded at all about it. Have a good day. It's Friday and I have to go pay some subcontractors. RTR
This post was edited on 11/17/17 at 11:45 am
Posted on 11/17/17 at 11:55 am to asphinctersayswhat
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Thanks for the laughs!
Very welcome. Lol
Posted on 11/17/17 at 12:10 pm to Huddie Leadbetter
Well, Happy Friday to you!
I enjoy the conversation and it doesn't need to be disrespectful or irrational. Sometimes it does require clarification so a position can be understood.
I don't have a reason to believe Tua won't get a "fair shot next season." I also don't have reason to believe he hasn't been given one THIS season. I do get that you and several other posters believe Tua is better (not sure on the definition of better). I really don't see it as that cut and dried.
Hurts does seem to be pretty good at leading the team to victory, and it's pretty hard to argue with his record. And yes, I've seen your opinion of the championship game, so no need to restate or it will just invite unnecessary commentary.
Let's just hope Tua gets lots of mop up duty in the next five games this season! RTR
I enjoy the conversation and it doesn't need to be disrespectful or irrational. Sometimes it does require clarification so a position can be understood.
I don't have a reason to believe Tua won't get a "fair shot next season." I also don't have reason to believe he hasn't been given one THIS season. I do get that you and several other posters believe Tua is better (not sure on the definition of better). I really don't see it as that cut and dried.
Hurts does seem to be pretty good at leading the team to victory, and it's pretty hard to argue with his record. And yes, I've seen your opinion of the championship game, so no need to restate or it will just invite unnecessary commentary.
Let's just hope Tua gets lots of mop up duty in the next five games this season! RTR
Posted on 11/17/17 at 12:23 pm to Teague
I'd say he was a "good" runner last year (only due to the way he carried the ball and the fumbles). I think "good" is not giving him proper credit this year. I would give him "good" credit as a passer mainly on the lack of interceptions.
I'm happy with Jalen as the leader of the offense. I think he has room to improve his passing skills.
And I've seen all the banter on Hurts vs Tua. Is a dynamic pro passing attach what anyone is expecting out of Bama? My preference is to have a powerful running attack with an effective passing game and a defense that smothers a team and breaks their will. (And I know my preference means squat.) Now granted, our passing attack recently has lacked "effective" at times...some of that on Hurts, some of it on receivers.
I'm happy with Jalen as the leader of the offense. I think he has room to improve his passing skills.
And I've seen all the banter on Hurts vs Tua. Is a dynamic pro passing attach what anyone is expecting out of Bama? My preference is to have a powerful running attack with an effective passing game and a defense that smothers a team and breaks their will. (And I know my preference means squat.) Now granted, our passing attack recently has lacked "effective" at times...some of that on Hurts, some of it on receivers.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 12:24 pm to Huddie Leadbetter
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he had mentioned low IQ
You’re right, that was incorrect of me. After reading more of your post, I think it’s low testosterone. Either way, I hope Hurts takes us to the promise land, can we agree on that?
Posted on 11/17/17 at 1:24 pm to Huddie Leadbetter
I think he will get his fair shot, and already has this season. I don't think he is the better qb right now for Alabama this season. Hurts his a phenomenal runner and mediocre passer who takes care of the ball and is showing improvement. In college football that combination will take you very far.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 5:21 pm to VaBamaMan
Oh ok, you believe soon tool on Reddit and regurgitate it on here as some kind of official fact by a real talent evaluator, and, yes that's exactly how you portrayed it until someone else brought up reddit instead of backing your team's best chance of winning. The bitching and moaning about the kid from the lot of you idiots is getting tired.
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