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Numbers show Jalen Hurts has grown as a passer

Posted on 11/16/17 at 6:32 pm
Posted by TidalSurge1
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Posted on 11/16/17 at 6:32 pm
Numbers show how much Tide QB Jalen Hurts has grown as a passer
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From the naked eye, Jalen Hurts appears to be a better passer.

The Alabama sophomore quarterback's footwork is enhanced, he exhibits more patience scanning the field and the technique in his delivery has been upgraded.

Crimson Tide head coach Nick Saban provided affirmation of those observations.

"I think that's why he's made a tremendous amount of improvement at his position, especially pocket presence, staying in the pocket, reading, being more accurate as a passer," Saban said Wednesday. "He's done a really, really good job of that and has gotten a lot better. I think he has a lot more confidence. I think we have a lot more confidence. We feel like if people are going to play us a certain way now, we can make plays in the passing game."

The stats provide even more corroboration of Hurts' growth, showing that the Alabama has more confidence in his ability to send the ball downfield.

This season, according to data supplied by ProFootballFocus.com, 54 percent of his 194 pass attempts have traveled 10 or more yards in the air. Last season, through 11 weeks, only 35 percent of his passes covered that distance. 

"[There is] the maturity level of standing in the pocket and trusting his o-line, trusting his receivers and throwing the ball," receiver Cam Sims said.

It's a clear sign that Alabama is directing Hurts to make more challenging passes with coordinator Brian Daboll shepherding the offense.

"I think he's done a good job of taking care of the ball and throwing the ball to the right place," Saban said of Hurts.

In recent weeks, that means targeting players running extended routes. Only seven of his last 64 passes have been delivered to teammates lurking behind the line of scrimmage. The constant stream of screens and jet sweeps that was so prevalent with Daboll's predecessor, Lane Kiffin, in charge has dissipated to a trickle.

What happened to Alabama's signature jet sweep play?

In its place has been a slew of intermediate passes over the middle of the field. At this point last season, only seven percent of Hurts' throws entered an area with horizontal dimensions between the numbers and vertical parameters of ten and 19 yards beyond the line of scrimmage. He completed only 57 percent of them for 193 yards with two interceptions. 

This year, however, that section of the field has become a sweet spot for Hurts and Alabama. Fifteen percent of his attempts have entered this region. And 73 percent have been completed for 463 yards and five touchdowns.

This shows tangible evidence of the progress Hurts has made as a passer. 

In the spring, Saban said in a radio interview on WJOX that the Tide protected Hurts when he was a freshman.

"It didn't enhance his development and sometimes later in the year when people played us in a way where we needed to be able to throw the ball, we may not have been efficient as we would have liked to have been," he explained.

According to CFBfilmroom.com, one-third of his passes in 2016 were thrown to receivers running ten or more yards beyond the line of scrimmage. This year, that number has jumped to 54 percent.

It's a clear sign the restrictor plates have been removed from Hurts -- the engine of Alabama's offense.

"I think you're overanalyzing this whole thing a little, a lot more than I am," Saban said.

But the evidence is compelling and it shows how Hurts has made strides playing the most important position on the field.
This post was edited on 11/17/17 at 6:08 am
Posted by VaBamaMan
North AL
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 11/16/17 at 8:02 pm to
This was from someone who did a scouting report on Calvin Ridley, in regards to Hurts.

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After going over a good amount of film and watching Alabama play, it’s evident that Hurts has strangled Ridley’s draft stock. Hurts is incapable of making simple reads that the defense gives him, often preferring to jackrabbit out of the pocket at the slightest hint of pressure. His lack of desire to push the ball downfield or take time to read a defense has destroyed the production of a receiver like Ridley, who takes time to set up his routes and exploits the weaknesses of the defensive backfields that he plays. Ridley has the capability of playing every WR spot on the field and it’s frustrating that he has a QB that refuses to take advantage of such a weapon. Ridley has a few of his own flaws, he’s not great against press if the CB actually gets hands on him and he’s not going to be the first guy you think of when it comes time to throw up a 50/50 ball. Also his straight line speed isn’t amazing, I don’t expect his 40 to be blazing, he’ll perform better in the quickness drills if I had to hazard a guess. Still, these are pretty minor flaws when you consider all the special tools that he has that most other WR’s don’t. That’s why I lay the blame for his declining statistics directly at the feet of Jalen Hurts. I don’t mean to rip on Hurts, but he misses blatantly open receivers and his read progression is just non-existent
Posted by Huddie Leadbetter
Member since May 2016
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Posted on 11/16/17 at 8:19 pm to
I don't think Hurts lacks desire to read defenses. I think he's just not good at it.

I don't know if the "declining statistics" has in fact "strangled Ridley’s draft stock" but it's a pretty good bet that's one reason Ridley has been so frustrated sometimes this year.
Posted by River_City_Tider
Javksonville
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 11/16/17 at 8:25 pm to
Could you tell us who was scouting Ridley and when he made his assessment? Was it made recently?

The entire premise of the thread is that Hurts has improved. Could it that if the unknown scout cited took another look, he would see improvement also?

Compare Hurts to other sophomore Bama quarterbacks over the last thirty years. How does he stack up? How does he stack up against AJ 10 games into his sophomore year? I was at the 2011 “game of the century” against LSU and I can tell you that we would have had a better shot at winning that game with Jalen at QB.

And AJ got better and better from that point on.

I just think that Jalen is clearly improving and I don’t see the value of a anonymous undated scouting report.

I’m a big Tua guy, but Jalen’s getting better. Seems clear.
Posted by Gustave
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 11/16/17 at 8:31 pm to
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Could you tell us who was scouting Ridley and when he made his assessment? Was it made recently?


Looks like a Reddit post, here's the thread if youre interested.

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This post was edited on 11/16/17 at 8:32 pm
Posted by Huddie Leadbetter
Member since May 2016
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Posted on 11/16/17 at 8:31 pm to
In the 2nd article at that link, there is this...

"Saban said Jalen Hurts has made big strides to be a more balanced QB who can pass with more consistency. They've changed some of the ways routes are run so he doesn't always have to read both sides of the field."

So basically cutting the field in half as to how to defend Hurts. And no, that isn't to say that he won't sometimes check down to other receivers in other areas of the field, but it's an obvious concern.
Posted by VaBamaMan
North AL
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 11/16/17 at 8:38 pm to
I think its become more obvious this year that if there is even the slightest chance a pass will get picked, he will not throw it. Everything he does in the pocket revolves around protecting the football, and for the record, he is remarkably good at it.

But he cannot throw a guy open, he often won't even throw to the wide open receiver half the time. Another part of that scouting report said that Ridley is wide open on almost every single passing down because he is so good at picking the right route for the coverage, and appears to have been given the freedom to do so by Daboll. But if Ridley is choosing his specific route based on the defense's pre-snap look, which is not uncommon for high level WRs, I wonder if Hurts hasn't been throwing to Ridley because pre-snap he read the defense differently, and was expecting Ridley to be elsewhere.

On another positive note, Hurts also has the trait all QBs want, but very, very few have. He is a "winner", when the game is on the line he absolutely has the capability to elevate his play and make it happen. It's arguably the most important trait a QB can have.
Posted by VaBamaMan
North AL
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 11/16/17 at 8:43 pm to
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Compare Hurts to other sophomore Bama quarterbacks over the last thirty years. How does he stack up? How does he stack up against AJ 10 games into his sophomore year? I was at the 2011 “game of the century” against LSU and I can tell you that we would have had a better shot at winning that game with Jalen at QB.


You can't compare them as sophomores, because Hurts started as a freshman.

The LSU game in '11 was McCarron's 10th start, against the 2nd best defense fielded this decade. I was there too, fwiw.

In 2012, McCarron's second year as a starting QB, he improved by leaps and bounds and had an excellent year. And that McCarron would absolutely start over Hurts this year, it wouldn't even be close.

Also, the scout wrote that this past week, and he is referring to Hurts' current abilities.
This post was edited on 11/16/17 at 8:49 pm
Posted by VaBamaMan
North AL
Member since Apr 2013
7649 posts
Posted on 11/16/17 at 8:45 pm to
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Looks like a Reddit post, here's the thread if youre interested


It was from Reddit. But Apple does a ton of scouting, and he has been far more accurate than big media guys like Mcshay, Kiper....etc, in my experience with reading his stuff.

Edit: and if you read his report, he has a very high opinion of Ridley. Lauds his abilities at almost every turn.
This post was edited on 11/16/17 at 8:58 pm
Posted by LukeSidewalker
Mobile, Alabama
Member since Dec 2012
8417 posts
Posted on 11/16/17 at 8:54 pm to
have you ever played organized sports? Or are you a skip Bayless type?

Posted by imraged
Member since Nov 2010
2343 posts
Posted on 11/16/17 at 8:55 pm to
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destroyed the production of a receiver like Ridley


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That’s why I lay the blame for his declining statistics directly at the feet of Jalen Hurts.


He's outperforming his 2015 numbers both in yards per game (despite sitting out much of the second half in four or five games) and catch. Most of that reeks of hyperbole.
Posted by Gustave
Member since Nov 2015
3389 posts
Posted on 11/16/17 at 9:00 pm to
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You can't compare them as sophomores, because Hurts started as a freshman. 


At the same time you can't compare AJ's 10th start vs Jalen 10th start. AJ had been in a college system for 2 years before his first start. Thats 24 months of refining your craft at age 18-20. Some of Jalens growth was probably halted from trying game plan around him as a liability, instead of focusing on his development.

Posted by 1BamaRTR
In Your Head Blvd
Member since Apr 2015
22506 posts
Posted on 11/16/17 at 9:01 pm to
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I don't know if the "declining statistics" has in fact "strangled Ridley’s draft stock" but it's a pretty good bet that's one reason

Wtf are you talking about? He’s averaging more yards per game this year than either of the last two years. And he’s still projected as a first round pick right now like he was in the preseason. Some mocks have him going in the top 10.
Posted by Huddie Leadbetter
Member since May 2016
3822 posts
Posted on 11/16/17 at 9:03 pm to
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LukeSidewalker


yeah. I played basketball and football.

Can you discuss an issue rationally without getting your panties in a wad because somebody doesn't share your opinions?
Posted by VaBamaMan
North AL
Member since Apr 2013
7649 posts
Posted on 11/16/17 at 9:04 pm to
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He's outperforming his 2015 numbers both in yards per game (despite sitting out much of the second half in four or five games) and catch. Most of that reeks of hyperbole.


The link to the scout's Ridley break down is in the thread. Read it for yourself. His glowing and detailed description of Ridley should speak for itself. He isn't speaking hyperbole.

Just because Hurts' numbers have improved, does not mean they are great, or even good for that matter.

Look, I'm not in the camp that Hurts is a bad QB. But I Do think his priorities are somewhat mis-aligned. He refuses to even attempt to throw guys open until the game is on the line and he absolutely has to, and he bails at the slightest hint of pressure often turning his back away from the field for too long when doing so. If he was just a bit more aggresive with his arm, rather than his legs, I think he would solve a lot of his issues.
Posted by 251_Dreaux
Port-City, BAMA
Member since Jul 2013
713 posts
Posted on 11/16/17 at 9:06 pm to
Meeeh.... If a scout or a team likes you, they will see past another player’s deficiencies. Especially at a position like WR, teams seem to draft based on skill rather than overall college play. Demaryius Thomas played in an option based offense and still was a first rounder; Julio Jones was underutilized and still drafted 1st round; Darius Heyward-Bey drafted high simply due to speed. While the scout raised a few points that Ridley is “slipping”bdue to Jalen; as a casual NFL fan and former college athlete, I call bullish!t on his assessment.
This post was edited on 11/16/17 at 9:10 pm
Posted by Huddie Leadbetter
Member since May 2016
3822 posts
Posted on 11/16/17 at 9:08 pm to
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1BamaRTR


Did you even read the entire report that was also linked?

Posted by Gustave
Member since Nov 2015
3389 posts
Posted on 11/16/17 at 9:09 pm to
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Look, I'm not in the camp that Hurts is a bad QB. But I Do think his priorities are somewhat mis-aligned. He refuses to even attempt to throw guys open until the game is on the line and he absolutely has to, and he bails at the slightest hint of pressure often turning his back away from the field for too long when doing so. If he was just a bit more aggresive with his arm, rather than his legs, I think he would solve a lot of his issues.


I think that will come with confidence. It's not he can't make the throws. Hopefully he carries that 4th qtr attitude moving forward.

It was also nice to see Saban crawl his arse after taking that sack late in the game. It's the same way he treated AJ but not how he treated Hurts last year.
Posted by VaBamaMan
North AL
Member since Apr 2013
7649 posts
Posted on 11/16/17 at 9:10 pm to
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Wtf are you talking about? He’s averaging more yards per game this year than either of the last two years. And he’s still projected as a first round pick right now like he was in the preseason. Some mocks have him going in the top 10.


Other mocks have him dropping behind 4 or 5 other receivers, and possibly going in the 2nd round. If he runs slower than a 4.5 it might hurt him even more. I've noticed him getting run down from behind more this year than he has in the past.

Some teams are supposedly removing him from their draft boards because of he is such a bad blocker they consider him a liability on running plays. Which is something I haven't seen in his game, personally. He isn't the best blocker by any means, but he at least tries to occupy his guy from everything I've ever seen.
Posted by LukeSidewalker
Mobile, Alabama
Member since Dec 2012
8417 posts
Posted on 11/16/17 at 9:10 pm to
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yeah. I played basketball and football.


What position? And was you any good?

Before I engage in a actual conversation I need to know a few things about you first if that’s ok.
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