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re: Numbers show Jalen Hurts has grown as a passer
Posted on 11/17/17 at 8:13 am to asphinctersayswhat
Posted on 11/17/17 at 8:13 am to asphinctersayswhat
I definitely liked what i saw out of him the last few weeks and he seemed to improve on making more accurate throws on the move, delivering it in stride more often as well as seeming more confident on the mid-range throws.
ETA: I think the criticism about him being too scared of turnovers is kind of weak. If Alabama was losing games then it would be more valid - but with a great defense and the Alabama rushing attack, protecting the ball is one of his best assets and a major reason Alabama has lost 1 game in his starting career. He could have made more throws in the NC game, but I don't think it was being scared of a turnover but moreso not being able to deliver the mid-range ball accurately and consistently.
ETA: I think the criticism about him being too scared of turnovers is kind of weak. If Alabama was losing games then it would be more valid - but with a great defense and the Alabama rushing attack, protecting the ball is one of his best assets and a major reason Alabama has lost 1 game in his starting career. He could have made more throws in the NC game, but I don't think it was being scared of a turnover but moreso not being able to deliver the mid-range ball accurately and consistently.
This post was edited on 11/17/17 at 8:24 am
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Posted on 11/17/17 at 8:21 am to VaBamaMan
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The guy I quoted scouts over 250 players every year, and watches at minimum 3 games worth of tape on every prospect.
Is that meant to be impressive? 250 players? 3 games? A rational, casual Alabama fan can make a more accurate assumption on how good our players are. If you wanted to prove a point about Hurts, use a better source than a self-proclaimed "scout" on Reddit.
I mean the guy is stupid enough to think Ridley's draft stock is "strangled". That tells me he doesn't spend any time talking to actual scouts and is probably conducting his analysis in his mother's basement.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 8:22 am to VaBamaMan
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Because right now, his deficiencies, which are mostly due to restrictions he has placed upon himself, could cost us a title, and him a career. He can do it, he needs to free himself up so he can
Not turning the ball over is a Saban coached mentality I promise you.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 8:23 am to CrimsonBoz
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Not turning the ball over is a Saban coached mentality I promise you.
With the typically strong Alabama defense. In the Auburn game this year, though, I am pretty sure we're going to have to outscore them.
edit: That is, though not turning the ball over is, naturally, important for any team ever, but throwing the ball away or running for a few yards won't always get it done.
This post was edited on 11/17/17 at 8:25 am
Posted on 11/17/17 at 8:25 am to Huddie Leadbetter
I agree, while hoping the defense comes further along, but I anticipate the offense will have some tweaks which reflect that in the iron bowl - especially if they get a quick score. Can't really fault Hurts for that up to this point as it is a relatively new situation.
This post was edited on 11/17/17 at 8:26 am
Posted on 11/17/17 at 8:27 am to Huddie Leadbetter
We might it depends on how Pruitt schemes them, he is always good against Auburn. I would like to see something between conservative and balls out.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 8:27 am to CrimsonBoz
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Not turning the ball over is a Saban coached mentality I promise you.
This should be common knowledge by now...
This post was edited on 11/17/17 at 8:28 am
Posted on 11/17/17 at 9:14 am to BigBird09
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mean the guy is stupid enough to think Ridley's draft stock is "strangled".
He doesn't think it is by real scouts, or should be, because the tape is so damn good. I've said this 15 times.
He fricking loves Ridley as a prospect.
His point was that Ridley shouldn't be downgraded because of his production, since that isn't something he can control.
Because there definitely has been a lot of conversation about Ridley's not producing as much as his reputation says he should.
Seriously, if you actually read his comments on Ridley. You'll see how much detail and praise he put into his assessment.
This post was edited on 11/17/17 at 9:19 am
Posted on 11/17/17 at 9:18 am to CrimsonBoz
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Not turning the ball over is a Saban coached mentality I promise you.
I am absolutely aware of that, but I think he became too conservative in the pocket. He consistently doesn't pull the trigger on guys that are wide open because he is scared of a turnover.
That's not hyperbole, how many times a game do even the announcers point out he didn't throw to a wide open guy. And there are several more plays per game where he does the same thing.
This post was edited on 11/17/17 at 9:22 am
Posted on 11/17/17 at 9:21 am to VaBamaMan
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He consistently doesn't pull the trigger on guys that are wide open because he is scared of a turnover.
I haven't noticed this. I've seen a few times where he aborts the pocket too early and misses seeing an open guy, but I don't recall seeing him not throw to a "wide open" guy because he was scared of an INT.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 9:24 am to Funky Tide 8
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I haven't noticed this. I've seen a few times where he aborts the pocket too early and misses seeing an open guy, but I don't recall seeing him not throw to a "wide open" guy because he was scared of an INT.
I don't have GBs of tape ready to go proving my point, but it happens several times a game.
He is either too conservative, or just plain isn't seeing the field very well from the pocket.
I prefer to believe the former, rather than the latter. Because he is a smart kid, and the game appears to be incredibly slow for him.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 9:25 am to VaBamaMan
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I don't have GBs of tape ready to go proving my point, but it happens several times a game.
You don't need GBs of tape. There are under 30 minutes edits of games on YouTube.
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or just plain isn't seeing the field very well from the pocket.
Saw it just fine the last two games.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 9:29 am to VaBamaMan
I would imagine it is not seeing the person as I can't really think of a qb opting out of a "wide open" throw as you say - his progression may not be taking him to that receiver as someone earlier said that some throws he is only looking at half the field.
I don't think the offense last year did him any favors from a development perspective - hard to say it was the wrong decision though given how close the team came - and he has made more strides during the first half of this season than he did all of last year to my eyes.
I don't think the offense last year did him any favors from a development perspective - hard to say it was the wrong decision though given how close the team came - and he has made more strides during the first half of this season than he did all of last year to my eyes.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 9:37 am to VaBamaMan
It interesting to me that when someone starts at thread with an article praising Hurts’ improvement, that another supposed Bama fan feels the need to go immediately dig up an internet posting from someone that isn’t a professional scout bashing Hurts.
I’m impressed with Jalen and Tua. I believe from what I’ve observed in the games that Jalen is a great dual threat QB with stronger run skills than passing skills. He is taking much better care of the football this year (fumble were more of the issue than interceptions last year). He has ice in his veins and doesn’t get rattled / get that deer in headlights look. The game seems to be slowing down more for him. I like the improvement in his passing game. And I would much rather he run it than have a turnover by forcing a pass.
Tua appears to me to have a quicker release and mental processing of where he is going with the football. I would think that he has to be happy with this year, because he has gotten to play a lot for a second string QB. And I’m pretty sure no one told him that he would come in and start. He has gotten the playing time because Hurts has led the offensive production to put games away early. This has impacted Hurts stats and benefited Tua. And they both appear to support each other and genuinely be happy for each other’s success. They both appear to be competitors and good teammates on and off the field.
There doesn’t appear to be a need for fans to elevate one by pushing the other down. They have different strengths in their skill sets. I hope we get to see a lot of Tua this weekend, because I think Hurts will give us the best chance against the defenses we will see after this weekend; given the offensive line struggles.
Just my 2 cents. Cheers! Roll Tide!
I’m impressed with Jalen and Tua. I believe from what I’ve observed in the games that Jalen is a great dual threat QB with stronger run skills than passing skills. He is taking much better care of the football this year (fumble were more of the issue than interceptions last year). He has ice in his veins and doesn’t get rattled / get that deer in headlights look. The game seems to be slowing down more for him. I like the improvement in his passing game. And I would much rather he run it than have a turnover by forcing a pass.
Tua appears to me to have a quicker release and mental processing of where he is going with the football. I would think that he has to be happy with this year, because he has gotten to play a lot for a second string QB. And I’m pretty sure no one told him that he would come in and start. He has gotten the playing time because Hurts has led the offensive production to put games away early. This has impacted Hurts stats and benefited Tua. And they both appear to support each other and genuinely be happy for each other’s success. They both appear to be competitors and good teammates on and off the field.
There doesn’t appear to be a need for fans to elevate one by pushing the other down. They have different strengths in their skill sets. I hope we get to see a lot of Tua this weekend, because I think Hurts will give us the best chance against the defenses we will see after this weekend; given the offensive line struggles.
Just my 2 cents. Cheers! Roll Tide!
Posted on 11/17/17 at 9:39 am to VaBamaMan
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you moron
Is that your go to move?
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He doesn't think it is by real scouts, or should be, because the tape is so damn good. I've said this 15 times.
From the article...
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it’s evident that Hurts has strangled Ridley’s draft stock
Who do you think determines draft stock? And I'm the moron...
This post was edited on 11/17/17 at 9:49 am
Posted on 11/17/17 at 9:53 am to BigBird09
I removed the moron quip almost immediately, not sure how long you had the reply stewing for it to be visible.
But I'm sorry for saying that in the first place. I got a little too overzealous. There is no need for the conversation to go into personal insults, and thats my fault. I let my annoyance at having to state the same things over and over in different ways blind me a bit, when I should have simply stopped replying.
But I'm sorry for saying that in the first place. I got a little too overzealous. There is no need for the conversation to go into personal insults, and thats my fault. I let my annoyance at having to state the same things over and over in different ways blind me a bit, when I should have simply stopped replying.
This post was edited on 11/17/17 at 9:57 am
Posted on 11/17/17 at 9:54 am to BamaReb
For the record, I never once mentioned Tua. I just want Hurts to reach his immense, immense, immense potential.
Like we all do.
Like we all do.
This post was edited on 11/17/17 at 9:55 am
Posted on 11/17/17 at 9:57 am to VaBamaMan
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. I let my annoyance at having to state the same things over and over in different ways get to blind me a bit, when I should have simply stopped replying.
Your reply had nothing to do with my post other than the fact that you somehow think scouts don't determine draft stock...
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:23 am to BamaReb
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It interesting to me that when someone starts at thread with an article praising Hurts’ improvement, that another supposed Bama fan feels the need to go immediately dig up an internet posting from someone that isn’t a professional scout bashing Hurts.
I was wondering this as well.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:27 am to BamaReb
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Tua appears to me to have a quicker release and mental processing of where he is going with the football. I would think that he has to be happy with this year, because he has gotten to play a lot for a second string QB
Only since you bring it up, but I'm not sure being 2nd string it totally ok with him. These comments were after he committed...
“It gets me excited that Coach Saban does stick with his claim that the best will play in every situation,” Tagovailoa said. “The opportunity to see that Jalen got to play sparks a fire under me. It excites me that he stayed true to his word, not that he started a freshman. Every kid who is getting recruited by colleges wants to hear and see that.
“In a year, in a perfect world I still believe I’ll be at Alabama if everything works out the right way.”
USA Today
"It interesting to me that when someone starts at thread with an article praising Hurts’ improvement, that another supposed Bama fan feels the need to go immediately dig up an internet posting from someone that isn’t a professional scout bashing Hurts."
Conversely, if anybody starts a thread discussing things Hurts needs to work on, or God forbid, Tua Tagovailoa, the thread is inundated with points about how good Hurts is and how much he has improved. Further, you have a few morons that can't discuss things rationally and have to resort to personal attacks. So it goes both ways. I've never been on a message board that everybody agreed about everything. Pretty sure that would be boring as hell and the forum wouldn't last long.
This post was edited on 11/17/17 at 10:36 am
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