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Most frustrating thing about our offense
Posted on 10/31/23 at 12:01 am
Posted on 10/31/23 at 12:01 am
Is that teams really should be shitting their pants about our capabilities but we are not often playing to our strengths offensively. Milroe is not tua or Mac or Bryce, but he can throw a beautiful deep pass, he's one of the best deep passers in the country. He can also run like a deer. That's exactly the kind of stuff that has given us fits stopping over the years, yet we haven't (yet) seemed to put that together into an effective strategy. We should be spreading and stretching the field every play with the receivers and frequently take deep shots. We should run milroe on designed QB runs with RB or te lead blocking out of spread pass sets. There is not a spy in NCAAF that's going to keep up with Jalen in a one on one, let alone with competent blocking. We have criminally underused his running, failing to use it to punish teams that are pinning their ears back and rushing. Nothing is gonna help the struggling oline out like milroe hitting some big runs on an over aggressive defense, but we haven't really seen any of that. It's pretty frustrating. Maybe we will get a bit more creative instead of trying to shoehorn milroe into the pocket passer role we have had in the past, which he's clearly still not ready for on the basis of his short and intermediate accuracy and timing, as well as pocket presence.
This post was edited on 10/31/23 at 12:02 am
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Posted on 10/31/23 at 1:13 am to narddogg81
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instead of trying to shoehorn milroe into the pocket passer role
I don't think running the ball is necessarily something the coaches have coached out of Milroe. I think he has rebuked the idea that he's a "running qb" because for some reason or the other, there's a stigma attached to "running qbs".
If Milroe doesn't want to run the ball, because he's dreaming of playing on Sundays, and feels if he's stigmatized as an "athlete" or "running qb" that will hurt his chances, there really isn't anything the coaches can do besides calling more qb designed runs. But again, if he isn't interested in running, it isn't like the coaches can MAKE him run.
My best guess is that it's an ego thing. Milroe is following Bryce, Mac, Tua, and Hurts. He didn't come to BAMA to run the ball. Also, he only rushed for 559 yards in three years as a starter in high-school, so it might not be something he's all that comfortable doing. Sark recruited him, and if Sark were still at BAMA, I have no doubt that Milroe would have developed much better as a passer, and I bet that if you asked Milroe if he were a "running qb", he would say most definitively "NO".
Posted on 10/31/23 at 7:21 am to narddogg81
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There is not a spy in NCAAF that's going to keep up with Jalen in a one on one, let alone with competent blocking.
A spy's frequently been effective against Jalen this year. The spy isn't effective against him when they get out of position, or take a bad angle, otherwise they do very well. If they misjudge his speed, he'll blow right by them. If they tackle him high, he'll truck them. But he's not elusive, and is extremely susceptible to low tackles (I don't think I've ever seen someone get tripped up so much doing QB draws). With better blocking, and improved pocket presence, Jalen could really step up his game. Our problems pass blocking have limited Jalen's best asset, his deep ball. Like you, I'd like to see a few more QB power runs a game, too, but not too many. You're playing with fire when you make your QB the focus of your run game. Eventually, you end up without your starting QB in the middle of a game.
Posted on 10/31/23 at 7:24 am to Gideon Swashbuckler
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he only rushed for 559 yards in three years as a starter in high-school
Do sack yards count against rushing totals in TXHS football?
If he will just run to make up for all the yards he loses getting sacked i would be happy.
Posted on 10/31/23 at 8:28 am to SECSolomonGrundy
If he learned to throw the ball away when he's running 10 yards behind the line of scrimmage (and outside the tackle box), I would be happy. Some of his 'sacks' are ridiculous when he rolls out and just runs out of bounds for a 10 yard loss... .THROW IT AWAY haha
Posted on 10/31/23 at 8:35 am to narddogg81
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He can also run like a deer.
Problem he runs like a newborn baby deer in the pocket and practically just falls down half the time so we hardly ever get to see the adult deer running in the secondary.
Seriously I’ve been shocked at how ineffective a runner he has been this year. Seems clear he is hell bent on not being a run first QB, which is fine, but there are some games/situations where he HAS to be a more willing/aggressive runner. Once he hesitates (which is 90% of the time) he isnt elusive enough to beat the guy on him in the backfield before he can get started and up to that elite top end speed.
If he busts some big runs early he will have the linebackers and DBs cheating towards him with their eyes and postioning and open up the passing lanes and make it so much easier on himself.
Fingers crossed this is the game where he takes the reins off and does it.
This post was edited on 11/2/23 at 6:44 am
Posted on 10/31/23 at 8:47 am to Gideon Swashbuckler
Winning and being a good teammate are more important than being worried about folks considering you a running QB.
Posted on 10/31/23 at 10:15 am to Crimson_Chaos
Luckily, the past two games he seems to have figured out that he should throw the ball away when he’s out of the pocket with nowhere to go.
Posted on 10/31/23 at 10:34 am to SabanFollowsMeAround
He's definitely been better about that, but it too a little too long for him to figure that out 
He's been steadily progressing, and plays pretty decent when the OL gives him help. Hopefully he keeps progressing, and can play and solid game against a tough opponent in LSU this weekend.
He's been steadily progressing, and plays pretty decent when the OL gives him help. Hopefully he keeps progressing, and can play and solid game against a tough opponent in LSU this weekend.
Posted on 10/31/23 at 11:52 am to Crimson Wraith
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Winning and being a good teammate are more important than being worried about folks considering you a running QB.
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Winning and being a good teammate are more important than being worried about folks considering you a running QB.
Couldn't agree more.
Posted on 10/31/23 at 12:33 pm to narddogg81
I tend to agree. Nick has been famous for adjusting his offenses to fit his player's skill but I still don't get why we've been trying to turn Milroe into a pure pocket passer. We have to utilize his legs. He has to take off more.
Wish I could tell Rees that he's allowed to call a play designed to use Milroe's legs. It's not against the rules.
With our monster O line, Milroe's skill set, our RBs and the speed at WR we'd light ppl up with an up tempo read option/spread attack. Feels like we're wasting an opportunity.
Wish I could tell Rees that he's allowed to call a play designed to use Milroe's legs. It's not against the rules.
With our monster O line, Milroe's skill set, our RBs and the speed at WR we'd light ppl up with an up tempo read option/spread attack. Feels like we're wasting an opportunity.
This post was edited on 10/31/23 at 12:36 pm
Posted on 10/31/23 at 12:39 pm to EGO3x
Rees has gotten better about calling plays for Milroe. The Texas game was a low point. Milroe isn't asked to do things he's not good as as often. He's not put in position to make throws that lead to terrible INTs.
Posted on 10/31/23 at 1:15 pm to narddogg81
He can run but he can’t move and throw very well at all. He’s the fastest pocket quarterback the world has ever seen.
Posted on 10/31/23 at 5:23 pm to Gideon Swashbuckler
quote:I firmly believe they did.
I don't think running the ball is necessarily something the coaches have coached out of Milroe
And it’s why he gets run down when he escapes the pocket. He’s STILL looking downfield when he takes off. It also hurts that people off the edge are always FLYING bc nobody blocks them or Milroe doesn’t see that they’re going to be a free rusher.
Posted on 10/31/23 at 10:56 pm to narddogg81
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He can also run like a deer.
He can’t. He just has some decent straight line speed and that’s it. He’s not very shifty or good at making tacklers miss. Also, he absolutely does not have 4.3 speed in the 40. Someone misquoted an article and mixed up the shuttle time with the 40. Milroe ran a 4.6 40 and a 4.3 short shuttle.
LINK .
Posted on 11/1/23 at 5:35 am to ReauxlTide222
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I firmly believe they did
If he only had 550-something yards rushing in high school, it was not the Bama coaching staff that coached it out of him.
He is just not a good runner. He is fast but has no vision or feel. We all got duped.
This post was edited on 11/1/23 at 5:36 am
Posted on 11/1/23 at 1:26 pm to SECSolomonGrundy
if Milroe decided to transfer, there would be a long line of schools with their hands up, desiring to be "duped". He is learning, improving a little each week as they add a little each week to the plays he can run. To me, his biggest problem is or was floating out the back of the pocket and running to the right. Jaylen Hurts replay. When he steps up in the pocket running the ball is much more successful, especially if there is a seam, and it forces the spy on defense to move up, which can open up the middle. When he floats out the back and runs half speed to the right, he almost never finds a receiver and usually gets sacked. Hurts just always threw it up in the stands. I dont doubt that the coaches dont like the idea of him running a lot because they dont want the number 2 quarterback in the starting lineup.
Posted on 11/1/23 at 2:54 pm to IB4bama
He really isn’t a running QB though. He has 4.64 forty because he takes a while to accelerate. He doesn’t have much lateral agility or quickness either. He’s more of a mobile pocket passer though he needs to improve his pocket mobility and footwork. He has made some improvements though
Posted on 11/1/23 at 3:02 pm to 1BamaRTR
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He really isn’t a running QB though. He has 4.64 forty because he takes a while to accelerate. He doesn’t have much lateral agility or quickness either. He’s more of a mobile pocket passer though he needs to improve his pocket mobility and footwork. He has made some improvements though
Bryce is, much more mobile than Milroe and Hurts has more striaght line speed. Milroe has a nice deep ball but I would surmise those are all plays drawn from the sideline. His short and intermediate game still needs, a lot of work.
This post was edited on 11/1/23 at 3:03 pm
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