re: Interesting Bama QB passing stat:

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don't make it super religious

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I didn't say that because of religious reasons. I had a problem with your use of the loaded word "cross". Hyperbole with the use of loaded words is a form of reductio ad absurdum and has no place in logical debate.

I wasn't putting Hurts on a cross literally or figuratively, and no one in this thread was either, and I think it's counterproductive to insinuate such a thing in that way.

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playing the victim.

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No one in this a thread has approached this at all

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reductio ad absurdum doesn't apply.

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I specifically said "a form of", and it can be easily argued that by referencing us putting Jalen "on the cross", you reduced the conversation down to an illogical and easily critizable result, and therefore used a form of reductio ad absurdum.

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First there is no debate here

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There most certainly is.

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Let's agree to disagree.

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Cool.

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4. There is no need to continue to throw shade on a kid who busted his guts for this team. WE GET IT HE ISN'T A GOOD PASSER (insert stat comparing him to whoever).

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To set the record straight, I posted an interesting stat without commentary in the OP and let it exist on its own. The board was as dead as it can possibly get. A conversation ensued, apparently cause folks want to talk about the Crimson Tide and this topic was as good as any. It happened to be about a topic that you think should be dead, but it obviously isn't, and you have acted a bit sore about it.

I would love to have a conversation here about something else. Do you have any ideas? If you do, please start a thread about it and I'll happily participate.

But hating on other folks who are having a conversation you don't want to have is silly. You should just opt not to participate. The others have voted for having the conversation, as evidenced by their willing participation.

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Fwiw, I recall you pretty much gone giving Jalen the benefit of the doubt for the majority of the last two years.

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Honestly, I thought Jalen had turned a corner after seeing his 4th Q performances versus MissSt (or Tex A&M, can't remember) and LSU. I was super optimistic at the time. And I was wrong, which in turn made my Iron Bowl prediction thread super wrong.

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Delete

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I'm not trying to be adversaries here, Boz. Your my dude. But it's ok to disagree sometimes.

"This is supposed to be a happy occasion! Let's not bicker and argue over who killed who ..."

LINK

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It's a dead horse. Like bones and skin dead.

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You know, it's funny - I agree wholeheartedly with your sentiment, that the topic of Hurts' lack of passing prowess has been discussed into the dirt, and it's like beating a dead horse. But the topic itself is not dead at all.

I thought it was dead until your post not long ago about having spoken to some players and their responses led you to believe that the QB race might be far from over, and there could be universe where Jalen wins the job.

And that is the point. I don't wanna continue to talk about Jalen's shortcomings, but as long as there is a perceived possibility in the collective minds of our fanbase of seeing him orchestrate our offense in the future, this will continue to be a story.

And let's be honest, it is a fascinating story:

1) Hurts has led us to a number of victories in the past 2 years and is a great person, but he's obviously a detriment to the passing game.

2) We have a phenom who just saved our collective asses in the most grandiose and spectacular way possible, replacing the aforementioned Hurts.

3) Hurts' daddy said he won't change positions.

4) Saban has repeatedly said a team needs 4 QBs to practice, and we have 3. Because of this extreme lack of depth, Saban has a vested interest in keep Hurts' here, whether he's 1st, 2nd, or 3rd string.

5) Not only is Tua looking like the number 1 option, BigMAc Jones is looking like a very serviceable #2 option.

6) Hurts could stay and grad transfer, having 1 more year of eligibility. Or he could transfer now, use his redshirt year, and have 2 more years of eligibility.

7) The second of the above options seems better for Hurts, but it's incredibly detrimental to our the team to go into a season with 2 scholarship QBs.

8) We recently lost a grad transfer and a QB recruiting battle to an Ivy League school, missing on our best attempts to solve the depth issue.

And so, if you are Saban, what do you do? How do you slow play Hurts in order to convince him to stay for this year while also not having this QB controversy split the team in half? It's literally fascinating.

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Lane Kiffin can make ungood QB’s look good.

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Uh yeah, I know

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It's funny how fans put childhood heroes on a pedestal. No facts or truth can convince you of reality.

The thick rose-colored childhood glasses you must be wearing to say Hurts is as bad as Barker are amazing. Hurts is a bad passer, but was a serviceable quarterback for the best team in CFB. Barker wouldn't even be offered a scholarship today. Facts are facts.

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Ah, yes. The ole' revisionist history post with a side of 100% opinion capped by a statement about "facts". Bold strategy, Cotton.


https://247sports.com/player/parker-mcleod-15480

If Saban will give a scholarship to the likes of Parker McLeod, then he'd sure as hell give a scholarship to Jay Barker.

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a serviceable quarterback for the best team in CFB.

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Dude, you seriously just described both Hurts and Barker to a T. Congrats.

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Facts are facts.

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Do you know what facts are? You seem to be confusing them with "opinion".