re: Interesting Bama QB passing stat:

Not to mention Jay was held back because of the pitiful offense. I'm not saying Barker was a great QB, but he didn't get any help from Stallings. Homer Smith helped but Stallings still wouldn't let him run the Homer Smith offense.

Hell, Hollingsworth looked phenomenal with Homer Smith and then went to shite with Stallings.

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Dude, you seriously just described both Hurts and Barker to a T. Congrats.

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That's amusing. The team became less competitive with Florida as Barker aged. They were nowhere near the best team in college football by the time he left.

Homer Smith made him look decent his senior year, but it was still worse than Hurts did with that lunkhead Daboll.

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If Saban will give a scholarship to the likes of Parker McLeod, then he'd sure as hell give a scholarship to Jay Barker.

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No. Barker wasn't even a good qb in high school. Jack Wood didn't run a passing offense at HT because Barker couldn't. Stallings wanted him for his character. Saban loves a good character guy, but not one without measureables.

You guys kill me with your revisionist history. Barker was the third qb in the 1990 UA class. He was ONLY offered because ALHS POY Steve Christopher was known to have character issues. Jason Jack was the #2 in that class. He was the passer. Barker wouldn't sniff an offer today under any circumstances. (and for the record, Stallings made the right call. Barker's character won out and he was a decent leader for those teams)

Well, character and talent are two different things. My wife is the best person I know but she'd be a terrible QB. Conversely, I wouldn't trust Johnny Football to walk my dog.

Criticism of a player's ability is not the same as calling them a bad person. Not sure why posters act as if 19-22 year old men are on the same emotional plane as T-ballers.

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couldn't pass

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You are literally too stupid to insult.

Anyone with eyes and a basic understanding of football could see at the time that Croyle was a very good QB, but was saddled by maybe the worst 4-year Oline span in our history. Croyle is in the argument for best pure passer in modern Bama history.

And you know what's the icing on the cake of your wrongness? That Croyle was considered good enough by folks who know more football than all of us combined to be drafted in the 3rd round.

I'm sure you'll come back with some stats of Croyle's that were less than ideal, throw them around like they trump the eye test, and totally continue to fail to understand their context and the shite talent he was surrounded by in spots.

Oh cry more because someone called your thread lame.

And why the hell am I going to start a thread out of the blue, are you saying you were forced to make a thread and this is the best you could come up with?

Resorting to comparing Hurts with an Alabama QB who played 26 years ago is just pointless, outside yet another way to bash Jalen. Which is still kind of pointless in itself, not to mention just a bitch more in general.

It's pathetic to think you have nothing better in the off season to do but bash an Alabama QB. Maybe you meant to post on the Auburn board?

And btw - Barker would have never started for Saban.

Bitching it is, then.

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Well, character and talent are two different things. My wife is the best person I know but she'd be a terrible QB. Conversely, I wouldn't trust Johnny Football to walk my dog.

Criticism of a player's ability is not the same as calling them a bad person. Not sure why posters act as if 19-22 year old men are on the same emotional plane as T-ballers.

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It's not criticism, it's bashing.

2 totally different things.

And it's just a bad look. And as far as I'm concerned, if you want to trash Alabama players, then you're the trash.

btw, speaking of stats - Brodie's stats were much better in college than they ever were in the NFL, where he threw more interceptions than TD's.

I'm not sure why you'd pin the NFL draft as being some kind of expert thing.

He never won a game as a starter, AJ had to break that many years running record. And they said the same things about him in the NFL, "His OL was the problem". Yet, you didn't see him out there much anymore, so apparently they never got that OL fixed...

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3down10

I'm living rent free in your brain, guy.

Please keep going. A few buddies and I are laughing our asses off. Good stuff.

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This is what you and your friends do? Sorry about your luck.

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I thought it was dead until your post not long ago about having spoken to some players and their responses led you to believe that the QB race might be far from over, and there could be universe where Jalen wins the job.

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I was surprised as anyone else. This wasn't just table talk it was like 2 hours long and I didn't hide my poker face very well. To me Tua was the guy no question. Even one of the QB's said its far from over. That is 100% not my opinion that is right from his mouth.

The what we need dynamic is playing in my mind as well. If Jalen leaves we have Mac and some walk ons ( 2 I think?).

Is false hope spread to Jalen to keep him around? I guess it could happen even though shady but, overall for the betterment of the program.

So I had about 30 mins of that above convo asking about how the team felt about Jalen. It was overwhelming support, as in, he works hard for us and never quit on us kind of thing ( like a really good best friend). One of the receivers who was present for this convo I asked directly "Did the receivers not like Jalen?" his reply " there was frustration at times but no one quit on Jalen". He basically said they knew his ability and just wanted to win, however that looks. One of the ILB present for this talk said Jalen is under immense pressure, hasn't been social at all, actually showed frustration at practice etc.

So not to banter on, it could be 1 of 2 things happening. Jalen is still in the fight or he and the team "thinks" he is. I had already assumed baring anything crazy that Tua was the guy, I knew Saban would stretch this out but the voice inside the team is saying different.

This is a good convo to have IMO.