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Golgi Apparatus
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re: George Washington, Ulysses S. Grant, Francis Scott Key....
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I love hyperbole too.


I see no hyperbole at this point. Only a gradual and ever increasing push towards what the op is describing.


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phil4bama
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No, but there is a petition to remove a Gandhi statute in England. If we look hard enough, we will find faults in all historic and present day figures. We are human. We live in a fallen world.

There was only one person who lived a faultless life. Who knew no sin. Yet, I don’t see many people clamoring to have His statute put up in the center of town.

I am all for taking down the Confederate statutes and putting them in museums or historical sites. But what will it accomplish? It won’t change our history. Maybe, we should just start looking at what makes us the same. Looking for things we have in common and go from there. Instead of trying to separate ourselves, let’s celebrate our commonalities and try to learn from each other. Respect each other’s history and strive to make this world a little bit better.


I believe this is what the silent majority wish for but the radical fringes are dominating the rhetoric right now so it’s mob rule and revisionist history. We’re going to judge every person who ever lived based on the standards of today and when none of them measure up, throw them and anything they ever accomplished on the trash pile and forget them. The intellectual hypocrisy is astonishing and frightening. I’m believing the story of the KGB defector back in the 80’s and 90’s more and more.


TideSaint
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I believe this is what the silent majority wish for


You think the majority of this country wants to tear down statues of former Presidents and Union Generals?


CrimsonBoz
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re: George Washington, Ulysses S. Grant, Francis Scott Key....
You’re completely blind or incredibly ignorant. It’s happening right now.


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tattoo
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re: George Washington, Ulysses S. Grant, Francis Scott Key....
These things have nothing to do with truth or justice, etc., it's all about power, revenge, jealousy, money and the demonization of their opposition.

You are right about the Son of God though He would want no statue but is waiting for the right time to return and only then will grievances be addressed and dealt with perfectly for "the knowledge of the Lord will fill the earth". Even Joseph acknowledged that he was incapable of judging his brothers properly but left it all in the Lord's hands and took care of his guilt-ridden brothers.
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JustGetItRight
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That’s great!! We should also get rid of the National Forests and Parks that he designated.


Wasn't just parks.

Before he was president he led a reform of the NYPD to make it a professional organization.

He implemented a civil service system in NY to eliminate political patronage.

He also was responsible for breaking up the big monopolies that ran much of the business in this country and went after government corruption at all level as President. He's also responsible for the FDA.

His stance on immigration was that anyone that wanted to come here should be welcome as long as they embraced being an American fully.

He also happened to be friends with Booker T Washington and caused quite a stir by having him to the White House for dinner.

So, we've got a turn of the 20th century president that was a friend of the environment, a friend of small business, enacted food safety reforms, led law enforcement reform, was pro-immigration, and was vastly ahead of his time on race relations.

But no, his statue's got to come down because, well why?

Because he built the Panama canal? I guess they don't know that the US paid something like $15 billion 2020 dollars for the rights to build that canal? Do they know he resisted European interference in central american affairs?

They neither know nor care. He's an old white guy so he must be bad and his statue must come down.


bamameister
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re: George Washington, Ulysses S. Grant, Francis Scott Key....
He's got a mighty big one up on mount Rushmore. Gonna take a lot of rope.


JustGetItRight
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He's got a mighty big one up on mount Rushmore. Gonna take a lot of rope.


Nope, the Afghan Taliban had no problems with those massive centuries old buddas. A little dynamite took care of them with no problem at all.

Our Taliban will figure that method out soon enough.

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Robot Santa
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re: George Washington, Ulysses S. Grant, Francis Scott Key....
Like I said, the genie is out of the bottle at this point. The question is how far these people are going to be allowed to go before everyone else is willing to put their foot down and say enough is enough. I suspect that demanding the destruction of iconic national monuments would cross the line, but I'm really not sure anymore. The media is pretty much entrenched on either extreme end of the issue depending on the network, which kills any chance of a middle ground ever being found.


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The Spleen
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But no, his statue's got to come down because, well why?



While the statue has received criticism over the years, it seems the Museum Board made the decision absent much current public demand. And it seems their issue is with the image of the statue rather than Roosevelt himself. And Roosevelt's great grandson is on that board and okayed its removal.

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In this case, the museum’s leadership made clear that it is not specifically targeting Roosevelt but rather the overall makeup of the statue, saying that “many of us find its depictions of the Native American and African figures and their placement in the monument racist.”


From this article...

Washington Post



TidalSurge1
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re: George Washington, Ulysses S. Grant, Francis Scott Key....
Pretty informative article. Worth reading.

Thanks for posting it.
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SummerOfGeorge
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re: George Washington, Ulysses S. Grant, Francis Scott Key....
Yea, if you take a look at the statue itself......it's pretty bad.

Like the article noted and I've read other places, the issue is really the actual statue and the portrayal is sends. Has almost nothing to do with Roosevelt himself (although others have piled on about Colonialism and such, but that doesn't seem to be the actual reason the statue is being moved).


TidalSurge1
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“If they get rid of the Paul Bryant statue then how will I EVER know who won the National Title back in 1978???”

This is how y’all sound to me.

Fify
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14&Counting
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So, we've got a turn of the 20th century president that was a friend of the environment, a friend of small business, enacted food safety reforms, led law enforcement reform, was pro-immigration, and was vastly ahead of his time on race relations.


He lead the Rough Riders.....that makes him a colonialist, imperialist


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The Spleen
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Pretty informative article. Worth reading.



After reading it and learning they had added a display inside providing more context to the statue, I think they should have just moved the statue inside as part of that display and let people make up their minds on how they perceive it.


BamaReb
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re: George Washington, Ulysses S. Grant, Francis Scott Key....
I guess like most things, it depends on your perspective. I see a President, known for charging forward and leading, with two different nations of people beside him. Not chained or dragged along, but beside.

OK, so he's on a horse and they're not. Again, President Roosevelt known for being a Rough Rider. Given the era, I think it was a pretty progressive statue. They are all males, so women were left out.



TideCPA
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Where does this shite end?! As a History PhD I don’t even know what to do at this point....

So anyone who ever owned a slave, in a time period where it was a social norm, statue is coming down? Regardless of anything else?
Personal opinion, but I believe what we're seeing is a Marxist-ish political movement attempting to recast America and American culture as one of the greatest evils in the world in an effort to blow up the system and start from scratch. They have moved the ball forward in recent weeks because they've been able to operate under the facade of "anti-racism" by utilizing and directing the pent-up frustration of African-Americans who have not seen any material change in their social condition in generations.

Everything in the last few weeks makes sense when you consider the driving sentiment behind these actions is "American history and culture = bad" and not simply "Confederate and objectively racist symbols = bad". You might notice the crowds pulling down the Jefferson and Washington statues are much less diverse than the ones pulling down the statues of CSA generals.

Just wait until we get to the part where the Bill of Rights gets canceled because it's an instrument of white supremacy, authored by slaveholders.


TidalSurge1
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re: George Washington, Ulysses S. Grant, Francis Scott Key....
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Pretty informative article. Worth reading.

After reading it and learning they had added a display inside providing more context to the statue, I think they should have just moved the statue inside as part of that display and let people make up their minds on how they perceive it.

I agree. That makes more sense than moving it anywhere else.
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bamameister
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re: George Washington, Ulysses S. Grant, Francis Scott Key....
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Personal opinion, but I believe what we're seeing is a Marxist-ish political movement attempting to recast America and American culture as one of the greatest evils in the world in an effort to blow up the system and start from scratch



Wouldn't you think that the diversity of protesters would directly reflect on the diversity of statues being targeted?

If folks continue to describe this phenomenon as a "black lives matter" only, they are going to miss the reason for the season.


SummerOfGeorge
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re: George Washington, Ulysses S. Grant, Francis Scott Key....
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I guess like most things, it depends on your perspective. I see a President, known for charging forward and leading, with two different nations of people beside him. Not chained or dragged along, but beside.

OK, so he's on a horse and they're not. Again, President Roosevelt known for being a Rough Rider. Given the era, I think it was a pretty progressive statue. They are all males, so women were left out.


Personally I don't disagree, but I get a museum of the city of New York wanting something that better represents the city.

Of all the things with statues going on this one seems by far the least egregious, IMHO.


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