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re: BOLs Jimmy Stein on not playing Ty Simpson

Posted on 1/1/25 at 10:38 pm to
Posted by AbSnopes
Birmingham
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Posted on 1/1/25 at 10:38 pm to
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Lolz. So who do we like in the 2027(?) coaching search?


Dillingham.
Posted by InkStainedWretch
Member since Dec 2018
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Posted on 1/1/25 at 10:48 pm to
If we walk off the field with the big trophy for 2025 you’re really still going to carry a grudge for 2024?
Posted by Lg
Hayden, Alabama
Member since Jul 2011
8387 posts
Posted on 1/2/25 at 8:30 am to
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"DeBoer made up his mind in May it was Milroes team... period." "DeBoer felt Milroe earned the right to be the starting QB."



I think it had more to do with scheme. It's like having your best offensive player playing qb that can run the "wishbone" but can't really play the qb position. Then you have the backups that are better qb's/passers that aren't as gifted with making plays with their legs.

So the conundrum is, do you design the offense around the most athletic or the best passer? I would venture the guess that DeBoer would have rather had the best passer than the most athletic but seeing as Milroe decided to stay and try to keep the nucleus of the team together, DeBoer chose the scheme the offense around him. And that's why the backups really didn't get an opportunity. Plus the fact that Milroe, at the beginning of the season, was touted for the Heisman and needed to pad stats.

Looking back now, it wasn't the correct decision.
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
20009 posts
Posted on 1/2/25 at 9:44 am to
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Jimmy Stein doesn’t know a damn thing more about the QB situation than every poster here.

TL/DR: Milroe should’ve been benched mid season and all these “professional analysts” were too cowardly to say it when it mattered.

Here’s Milroes stat line after UGA as a passer: 5 TD / 10 INT / sub 140RTG as a passer

From UGA on he was just an inefficient high volume running back who couldn’t even effectively run the option because he was too panicked to read the defender at the mesh point.

But can anyone name a single Alabama football focused analyst who was brave enough to call for Milroe to be benched? I can’t think of any.

Regardless of what they say now that its safe to criticize Milroe if they didn’t do it in season they’re worthless moving forward because no player has collapsed from a performance standpoint from halftime of the UGA game to the end of the season like Milroe did this season and they were all too cowardly to publicly admit it.

They’re just entertainers pushing whatever narrative they think will drive the most clicks. Congrats to Cubelic and GMAC for telling the truth about Milroe, but it should’ve been said 6-7 games ago.

And the OL narrative is largely worthless. Of course they were getting beat, UM was just crashing the box, taking away the easy reads and laughing as Milroe collapsed mentally.

The OL can’t block 6 with 5.
The OL can’t help Milroe when it’s a rollout and he sits in the old pocket instead of following his protection.
The OL can’t adjust the protection for him on obvious blitz calls.
The OL can’t throw a hot route slant behind a blitz to keep the DC honest.
The OL can’t make him get rid of the ball on time instead of locking up mentally like a deer in the headlights.

This post was edited on 1/2/25 at 9:59 am
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 1/2/25 at 9:49 am to
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My question would be when did this source learn this purported information. Recently or a while back? And if it was a while back, why did he sit on it until now?

He made it up and didn’t even attempt to substantiate it by claiming it was an inside source because he’s just rationalizing what happened to try to keep his paying audience engaged.

And if it were true why didn’t he say it 6 weeks ago while the collapse was underway?
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This may be gospel truth. He may also, like 90% of the posters here, and I absolutely raise my hand and say “Guilty as charged,” be throwing s**t against the wall trying to find a singular answer to something that might have umpteen different layers.

Not a shot at you or anyone else but there are no credible reports to base anything on at this point so all anyone can say is that Milroe should’ve been benched before the season was lost, but he wasn’t and so without additional information that falls on the head coach.
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
20009 posts
Posted on 1/2/25 at 9:55 am to
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To be fair, he tried another option and it went worse so they ended up back with Milroe.

No Saban tried to address it, lost the locker room and had to placate the insurgents for a year before retiring because he didn’t want to deal with this garbage NIL era of CFB anymore.

Milroe and the OL who laid down to protect his job ended the career of the greatest college coach of all time.
Posted by bamatide07
Member since Jan 2019
5404 posts
Posted on 1/2/25 at 9:56 am to
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No Saban tried to address it, lost the locker room and had to placate the insurgents for a year before retiring because he didn’t want to deal with this garbage NIL era of CFB anymore. Milroe and the OL who laid down to protect his job ended the career of the greatest college coach of all time.


This
Posted by bamaguy17
Member since Jul 2022
1242 posts
Posted on 1/2/25 at 10:02 am to
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So who do we like in the 2027(?) coaching search?

I think if we can pull a Dan Lanning or Kiffin, give them a hefty NIL budget, give them time to be settled with their own players, they are both sure to not lose 3 games or get blown the frick out in a playoff game.

ETA: I guess sarcasm is lost on people
This post was edited on 1/2/25 at 1:33 pm
Posted by UASports23
Basketball School
Member since Nov 2009
25710 posts
Posted on 1/2/25 at 10:05 am to
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Milroe and the OL who laid down to protect his job ended the career of the greatest college coach of all time.


Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
20009 posts
Posted on 1/2/25 at 11:02 am to
So you believe the OL gave full effort in the USF game last year?

If so how do you explain why the 110th ranked FEI defense beat our OL nearly every snap for the entire game?

That defense was worse than the LSU defense we put up 600 yards offense on last year and yet somehow they held us to 300 yards offense and pressured Simpson and Buchner on almost every drop back, in many cases from unblocked defenders.

Do you think they had our signals?
Maybe the team was sick?

Because I have no other explanation as to why we were letting players go unabated to the QB when it didn’t happen before or after that game when Milroe was under center.
Posted by Robot Santa
Member since Oct 2009
45964 posts
Posted on 1/2/25 at 11:12 am to
Y'all would have a lot more to work with if the OL had been good last year outside of that one game, but they were shite for most of the year. Playing their worst game of the year early in the season, on the road, in terrible weather, coming off an ugly loss could just be a coincidence.
Posted by bamatide07
Member since Jan 2019
5404 posts
Posted on 1/2/25 at 11:19 am to
Anyone who is being honest and neutral about that game would tell you that the offensive players around those two quarterbacks were loafing. Thing is, Buchner was the worse of the two who played. Ty was better than him especially in the second half. Not spectacular but not horrible like some people have implied. Maybe if he had played the whole game perception may be different.
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
20009 posts
Posted on 1/2/25 at 11:31 am to
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Y'all would have a lot more to work with if the OL had been good last year outside of that one game, but they were shite for most of the year.

It was the 110th ranked defense and they were letting guys through untouched. Per PFF they had 20 QB pressures on 23 passing attempts that day (87% pressure rate).

Then you look at 6 TFL and Ty Simpson being sacked 5 times. And that’s against what was the worst total defense in the country the year prior.

Even worse when Buchner and Simpson would get hit the OL would just stand around looking at them on the ground. That’s unforgivable and not something you see in a healthy locker room.

That doesn’t speak to getting out talented by some future NFL guy against South Carolina or UGA. That indicates either a lack of communication or a lack of effort.

And the fact that it didn’t happen again all season against much better competition is additional circumstantial evidence that something else was going on that day.

Not to mention that multiple national guys reported being told by sources inside the football building that the OL didn’t give full effort in that game. Is it possible they were FOS? Sure.

Ultimately I can’t unequivocally prove they quit that day, but the options are that Booker and some guys who will end up in the NFL forgot how to block against an FCS level defense or that something else was going on.
This post was edited on 1/2/25 at 11:34 am
Posted by Da Snake
Member since Nov 2024
18 posts
Posted on 1/2/25 at 11:33 am to
Also Buchner got the yips in pregame - was throwing balls all over the place. Doomed before it started. So many dynamics to sort out about the why.
Posted by footstepsfalco
Member since Sep 2018
1160 posts
Posted on 1/2/25 at 11:40 am to
Hot take: with the weather in that game, Milroe may have been worse than the other two. He isn't known to play well in poor weather especially. See as soon as it started raining Wed.
Posted by bamatide07
Member since Jan 2019
5404 posts
Posted on 1/2/25 at 11:55 am to
Thing is, Milroe was allegedly suspended for that game. And yet, there he was on the sideline. A suspended player wouldn’t have flown to Tampa with the team. Some things about the situation just don’t make sense to me. If he was truly suspended you leave his butt in Tuscaloosa to think about things.
Posted by Teague
The Shoals, AL
Member since Aug 2007
22263 posts
Posted on 1/2/25 at 12:00 pm to
Some of y'all have shite reading comprehension and obviously don't know who Jimmy Stein is. He's not making any crazy claims.
Posted by Glorious
Mobile
Member since Aug 2014
26103 posts
Posted on 1/2/25 at 12:03 pm to
How could they possibly know this? If DeBoer is going around telling people that he’s scared to bench Milroe, that’s almost worse than the fear itself
Posted by Glorious
Mobile
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26103 posts
Posted on 1/2/25 at 12:05 pm to
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If so how do you explain why the 110th ranked FEI defense beat our OL nearly every snap for the entire game?

Well they did it again the next year
Posted by Gideon Swashbuckler
Member since Sep 2019
8623 posts
Posted on 1/2/25 at 12:10 pm to
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YStar
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cant swim


Pretty sure that's rayciss.

I kid. I kid.

Agree on DeBoer just giving the job to Milroe because of roster cohesion. He doesn’t strike me as a guy that is inflexible when it comes to playing upperclassmen, though.
This post was edited on 1/2/25 at 12:12 pm
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