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Afterwatching some "film" on De Boer / Grubb offense...

Posted on 1/16/24 at 10:08 pm
Posted by Tw1st3d
Member since Jul 2017
775 posts
Posted on 1/16/24 at 10:08 pm
Well, the last couple of days I have watched enough film on the new Alabama passing system to come away with a big smile. Also a bit of trepidation. This is the best offense I have seen since Sark left. I love the way De Boer/Grubbs use the route tree and option routes.

Option routes...the source of the trepidation!

Alabama will use routes to all levels. Intermediate option routes are what make the system click. The primary guy that will be using option routes is the slot...Law is gonna have a huge season, IF...

The WR's run intermediate to deep routes. Digs / post / post corner / over routes / fades / back shoulders / slants / slant and go

The slot does a lot of reading the safety and adjusting his route off how the safety reacts to the X or Y routes.

The TE's are gonna have a big year too (the WR/TE cross over ones)

The catch...The QB has to read the presnap alinements and the post snap reactions of the safety on some plays and the corner on others. The route choices require a quick zone/man read by both the QB and the WR's.

Spring is gonna be huge for Grubb with the QB's. The WR coach did a fantastic job of teaching his kids in Washington clean routes and how to read the DB's.
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
11234 posts
Posted on 1/16/24 at 10:14 pm to
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The catch...The QB has to read the presnap alinements and the post snap reactions of the safety on some plays and the corner on others. The route choices require a quick zone/man read by both the QB and the WR's.

I don’t think any of our QBs were ready to run a Grubb offense last year.

We will see serious development over the offseason (I think we have the best QB development team we’ve ever had in Tuscaloosa, period) or we will see attrition and a major depth chart shake up.
Posted by 14&Counting
Eugene, OR
Member since Jul 2012
37677 posts
Posted on 1/16/24 at 10:15 pm to
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The catch...The QB has to read the presnap alinements and the post snap reactions of the safety on some plays and the corner on others. The route choices require a quick zone/man read by both the QB and the WR's.


OOOFFFF
Posted by UASports23
Member since Nov 2009
24350 posts
Posted on 1/16/24 at 10:16 pm to
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The QB has to read the presnap alinements and the post snap reactions of the safety on some plays and the corner on others.


Yea, about that. We have to get better.
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
11234 posts
Posted on 1/16/24 at 10:16 pm to
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OOOFFFF

Did you immediately think about the pick in the 2nd half against Texas in our own red zone?

Because that’s exactly what came to mind for me when I read that paragraph.
Posted by Tw1st3d
Member since Jul 2017
775 posts
Posted on 1/16/24 at 10:21 pm to
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Yea, about that. We have to get better


Exactly why I have trepidation
Posted by labamafan
Prairieville
Member since Jan 2007
24266 posts
Posted on 1/16/24 at 10:26 pm to
Not too concerned. There are 4 top ten QBs on roster. Because of the new coaching staff no one is guaranteed the job. I’m sure the coaches will put the best QB on the field. He’s not cemented in place like NS, winning with this roster is a must for a new coach assuming the players remaining stay in place.
Posted by footstepsfalco
Member since Sep 2018
789 posts
Posted on 1/16/24 at 10:30 pm to
That’s not exactly a good sign for Jmill. He did get better through the year, but reverted it seemed in the last two games against really good defenses. While reading this I immediately thought of the pick he threw against I believe it was ole miss. Had two guys in the end zone with one defender and threw it directly to the defender.
Posted by Tw1st3d
Member since Jul 2017
775 posts
Posted on 1/16/24 at 10:36 pm to
I did not specifically refer to any particular QB. Any one of them that want a shot at the ring had better be glued to Grubbs for the next 6 or 7 months.
Posted by footstepsfalco
Member since Sep 2018
789 posts
Posted on 1/16/24 at 10:44 pm to
Oh I know, just calling a spade a spade. The others couldn’t beat him out so clearly they all have work to do.
Posted by cecilsberry
Member since Aug 2023
22 posts
Posted on 1/16/24 at 11:10 pm to
I think most of our WR corps run good routes and move well in space so this offense will be great for them.

I'm not as worried about the QB room challenging each other enough. Someone will step up and rip it up next year
Posted by bamabonners
North Alabama
Member since Nov 2015
2092 posts
Posted on 1/16/24 at 11:44 pm to
Some of you frickers act like we have a team full of scrubs. GTFO
Posted by Marktastic86
Pismo Beach, CA
Member since Dec 2020
12599 posts
Posted on 1/17/24 at 12:28 am to
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Some of you frickers act like we have a team full of scrubs. GTFO

Posted by Diego Ricardo
Alabama
Member since Dec 2020
5959 posts
Posted on 1/17/24 at 12:43 am to
It is hard for me to judge if any of our players are "bad fits" for DeBoer's offense because he's plainly stated that he's about building the offense around the players. What he ran at UDub may be a little different than what he will run at UA in 2024. The broad philosophy seems to be to spread people horizontally then attack them vertically.

I think you can expect all position groups to have a more open competition than it would have been with Saban returning. The QB1 is going to have to earn it again with a new staff. The OL may get shaken up some because they want a bit more quickness at tackle. The list goes on...
Posted by tattoo
Fantasy Island
Member since Oct 2017
1806 posts
Posted on 1/17/24 at 7:52 am to
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The catch...The QB has to read the presnap alinements and the post snap reactions of the safety on some plays and the corner on others. The route choices require a quick zone/man read by both the QB and the WR's.
While acknowledging some of JM's shortcomings, I was a big supporter of his efforts last year. He progressed in some ways (e.g., taking care of the ball, etc.). From the beginning he showed enthusiastic leadership, and playmaking ability and often performed well in the clutch, even vs UTx, bringing Alabama back twice late. He threw the ball well, though he was never really a passer, not being able to read the field quickly. He is also very receptive to coaching. He is the kind of person that you pull for.

Having said all of that, it would seem almost impossible for him to win the QB position in this new offense or even be a viable backup. He would have to make the most astounding change in 3-8 months that I've ever seen to pickup skills that he has not developed in HS or 3 years of college. The only positive in this is that he will likely have the best QB coaching he's ever had.

Keep in mind that he was in his 3rd year in this system last year and had been primarily a passing QB in HS, though I don't know how much QB training he received. But with all of that in mind, my understanding is that he was not even trusted to make reads on RPOs. He could make no pre-snap reads or adjustments of any kind like protections. His post-snap reading was the slowest in the country, thus he was rarely trusted to even throw a slant.

This offense absolutely requires that the QB be able to do these things. It just seems impossible to do anything to accommodate JM's inability to do those things.

Certainly, he will be given a chance to learn but he has not been able to this point and he is entering his 4th year of college ball. I do believe that CKD will be able to create a culture that will allow the team to accept whatever decision is made. Reading and hearing about him before he was "the man", CKD is a very thoughtful and considerate man, but the TEAM always comes first. That may be tested early on in his tenure.

Posted by Tupelo
Member since Aug 2022
1474 posts
Posted on 1/17/24 at 10:33 am to
What struck me about Washington, was how fast the ball came out as opposed to Alabama this past season. Penix usually had started getting rid of the ball within two seconds. We held onto the ball way too long, which stressed our OL.
Posted by MrPigskin
Member since Sep 2023
502 posts
Posted on 1/17/24 at 11:18 am to
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I did not specifically refer to any particular QB. Any one of them that want a shot at the ring had better be glued to Grubbs for the next 6 or 7 months.

Exactly. There’s no excuses, this competition is wide open…if one of these guys wants it bad enough. I think this job goes to the guy willing to dedicate himself this off season to learning the playbook and fighting for the job, not just going through the motions.
Posted by JIB
Member since Sep 2013
829 posts
Posted on 1/17/24 at 11:24 am to
Milroe had one year with Rees and 2 with BoB (who clearly never worked with him).

If you expect Milroe to be 3rd string next fall you're going to be disappointed.
Posted by MrPigskin
Member since Sep 2023
502 posts
Posted on 1/17/24 at 11:38 am to
what??
I don’t expect anything…didn’t even mention a qb.
Most of us don’t give a rats *ss who the qb is, as long as he is our best option.
Just saying, with a new coach and a new offense coming in…everyone has an equal chance at winning the job if they’re willing to work their arse off this off season.
Any of these guys in our qb room are capable; I’ll be happy with any one of them, as long as they can read a defense and hit open receivers in stride. Whichever of the qbs can improve enough to do that, I’ll be pulling for them.
This post was edited on 1/17/24 at 11:54 am
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