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Posted on 1/9/24 at 10:29 am to Funky Tide 8
Part of this is Rees obviously. I may be projecting but this is one of the things I hate about "scheming" sometimes. People counting how many people are in the box and adjusting blah blah blah. Sometimes the one side of your Oline is manhandling the dline and you keep running it at them until they stop it or quit, no matter how many people are in the box.
With that being said, regardless of who is to blame when it happened, we got behind the sticks because of penalties, sacks, poor decision making, playcalling etc. Even though relative to the score we should have been in complete control and be able to run when we wanted, on too many occasions we were in bad down and distance due to problems of our own making.
With that being said, regardless of who is to blame when it happened, we got behind the sticks because of penalties, sacks, poor decision making, playcalling etc. Even though relative to the score we should have been in complete control and be able to run when we wanted, on too many occasions we were in bad down and distance due to problems of our own making.
This post was edited on 1/9/24 at 10:37 am
Posted on 1/9/24 at 10:30 am to Carlton
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Even though relative to the score we should have been in complete control and be able to run when we wanted, on to many occasions we were in bad down and distance due to problems of our own making.
Good point.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 11:06 am to Carlton
Milroe isn't an RPO quarterback bewilderingly, so the sheer number of drop backs in the Michigan game is on the OC. Some, not all, of the OL problems are actually on Milroe though. He's not really much of a communicator out there and doesn't have command over the offense. How is a guy who has no clue where a blitz is coming to know where he should throw hot going to help with protections? The answer is he's doesn't, of course.
Milroe was the best playmaker on this team. He has a cannon for an arm. He is not a good quarterback though. If Penix was Alabama's QB in 2023, we win a national title. We damn near beat Michigan without an effective passer. Penix gets Alabama into a few more slide protections and hits the open TEs and backs a few more times. In fact, Michigan would probably do less delay blitzes altogether and Alabama could've been running against more pass coverage centric defenses.
Milroe was the best playmaker on this team. He has a cannon for an arm. He is not a good quarterback though. If Penix was Alabama's QB in 2023, we win a national title. We damn near beat Michigan without an effective passer. Penix gets Alabama into a few more slide protections and hits the open TEs and backs a few more times. In fact, Michigan would probably do less delay blitzes altogether and Alabama could've been running against more pass coverage centric defenses.
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Posted on 1/9/24 at 11:17 am to Diego Ricardo
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Some, not all, of the OL problems are actually on Milroe though.
The penalties, poor snaps, losing individual battles and not picking up certain blitz are not on Milroe and we saw these same issues with Bryce as QB who made all the calls and could make all the throws.
And again to note Milroe has shortcomings but the Oline is the most important concern.
This post was edited on 1/9/24 at 11:26 am
Posted on 1/9/24 at 11:19 am to Diego Ricardo
Michael Penix was starting college football games before Mac Jones ever did. He just finished his 6th year of NCAA football, 5 of which he started. Penix looked like dogshit even as a 3rd year starter. He was 2-3 in 2021.
The idea that a guy is what he is from the get go is just dumb. If you think there's no way that Milroe can develop into one of the best QBS in the country you're just dumb.
The idea that a guy is what he is from the get go is just dumb. If you think there's no way that Milroe can develop into one of the best QBS in the country you're just dumb.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 11:44 am to mistaken4193
Michigan begged Bama to throw. They begged Washington to run.
This post was edited on 1/9/24 at 11:45 am
Posted on 1/9/24 at 12:19 pm to JIB
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Michael Penix was starting college football games before Mac Jones ever did. He just finished his 6th year of NCAA football, 5 of which he started. Penix looked like dogshit even as a 3rd year starter. He was 2-3 in 2021. The idea that a guy is what he is from the get go is just dumb. If you think there's no way that Milroe can develop into one of the best QBS in the country you're just dumb.
Okay, the doesn’t change that Alabama would have been better served spending on a QB transfer that was actually starter caliber in 2023. Milroe wasn’t ready to run this offense.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 12:21 pm to Carlton
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The penalties, poor snaps, losing individual battles and not picking up certain blitz are not on Milroe and we saw these same issues with Bryce as QB who made all the calls and could make all the throws. And again to note Milroe has shortcomings but the Oline is the most important concern.
Yeah but it is hard to tease out where the individual failing begin and the presnap communication issues end. But yes, completely. Milroe not identifying a defense doesn’t cover for being too slow footed to do the assignment.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 12:26 pm to Diego Ricardo
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Okay, the doesn’t change that Alabama would have been better served spending on a QB transfer that was actually starter caliber in 2023. Milroe wasn’t ready to run this offense.
and who of the 2023 QB transfers would that have been? Hartman? We probably did try and get him, but Milroe had a better season than him statistically.
so besides him, who else?
This post was edited on 1/9/24 at 12:26 pm
Posted on 1/9/24 at 12:38 pm to Diego Ricardo
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How is a guy who has no clue where a blitz is coming to know where he should throw hot going to help with protections? The answer is he's doesn't, of course.
What if I told you that he did this vs Michigan on a corner blitz from the boundary and Burton couldnt make the safety miss?
Posted on 1/9/24 at 12:48 pm to Funky Tide 8
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so besides him, who else?
Lets be real here. You tamper through unprovable back channels and get a guy on the market that wasn't in the portal. That's how everyone does it. How else do you think kids go from entering the portal to signing somewhere quickly? That's how the game is played now. At positions like QB, you're going to have to fill holes """aggressively""" because that is what everyone else is doing.
This post was edited on 1/9/24 at 12:50 pm
Posted on 1/9/24 at 12:57 pm to BrianFantana
I admit that I thought Penix would play better vs the Michigan defense than he did. I think his RB playing on one leg hurt Washington. Penix missed some throws for sure. Some phantom holding calls on #73 didn't help. The holding call that resulted in off-setting penalties in the 4th qtr was a complete joke. It should've been 1st and goal Washington. The other phantom holding call wiped out a big play to Odunze and changed momentum in a close game. And Penix missed Odunze running free for a TD in the 1st that would've tied the ball game going into halftime. All unforced errors.
Michigan deserves credit on defense, and the refs were letting them play very physical against the WRs. Another thing that stood out to me was how easily Michigan ran the ball, and how quickly Washington abandoned it. Do they not have another back? I respect the grit of the starter, but at some point you're hurting your team.
It was a good win for Michigan. I still think that BAMA wins the natty with another qb. BAMA wins it all with McCarthy. I hope Milroe works his arse off and gets better in the off-season. I hope he's not the best QB on BAMA's team come Aug. It'd be fun to win another natty.
Michigan deserves credit on defense, and the refs were letting them play very physical against the WRs. Another thing that stood out to me was how easily Michigan ran the ball, and how quickly Washington abandoned it. Do they not have another back? I respect the grit of the starter, but at some point you're hurting your team.
It was a good win for Michigan. I still think that BAMA wins the natty with another qb. BAMA wins it all with McCarthy. I hope Milroe works his arse off and gets better in the off-season. I hope he's not the best QB on BAMA's team come Aug. It'd be fun to win another natty.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 12:58 pm to Carlton
To point out one last thing on why the Oline is in my mind the most important priority. Not only is it important they improve but that they become elite. Since the JOE Moore Award for best Oline was first presented in 2015 at least one finalist has made it to the playoff or championship game. Multiple times (2017, 2019, 2022, 2023) finalist played each other. If you did not have a Joe Moore finalist Oline to win or compete for the Natty, you basically needed a generational talent at QB to over come it (Deshaun Watson, Trevor Lawrence, Bryce Young or a 10th year starter on a loaded team ala Stetson Bennent). Sayin might turnout to be that but at least at the moment I don't believe that level of guy is on the roster. That is why regardless of how you see the QB position, Oline is paramount.
This post was edited on 1/9/24 at 1:49 pm
Posted on 1/9/24 at 1:02 pm to Gideon Swashbuckler
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Michigan deserves credit on defense, and the refs were letting them play very physical against the WRs. Another thing that stood out to me was how easily Michigan ran the ball, and how quickly Washington abandoned it. Do they not have another back? I respect the grit of the starter, but at some point you're hurting your team.
I believe it was said that their starter has 1000 or more yards than their 2nd leading rusher. They didn't have a ton of depth and it showed in some places in that game.
Michigan was the best team this year, no doubt about it. But I think they were pretty fortunate that all the elite rosters were breaking in new quarterbacks and none of them developed into superstars. Furthermore, the best QBs in football were transfers playing for teams without elite rosters.
This was the exact kind of year you need for the worst offense to win a national title since 2002 to happen.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 1:04 pm to Funky Tide 8
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if we simply kept doing what we were doing with our RBs against Michigan then we likely beat them by two scores
I've wondered if we went with a running game and put hat on a hat would we not have won't the game.
No bad snaps because Milroe is under center. Our linemen don't struggle trying to figure out exotic blitzs, Milroe doesn't get sacked, and our rbs get to eat time off the clock.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 1:10 pm to Gideon Swashbuckler
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Penix missed some throws for sure.
Several.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 2:18 pm to Crimson K
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This kind of thing is really childish man. Seeing that a guy has flaws does not mean you hate the guy.
I can agree with this, but you can see for yourself that some of the criticism has been completely overboard and downright idiotic.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 9:41 pm to mistaken4193
Some of the people that think people need to stfu about Milroe need to stfu up about Milroe because they don't understand anything except trying to make stats fit what they want to be true.
Posted on 1/10/24 at 3:05 pm to BFANLC
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No bad snaps because Milroe is under center. Our linemen don't struggle trying to figure out exotic blitzs, Milroe doesn't get sacked, and our rbs get to eat time off the clock.
Wouldn't Michigan have stacked the line? If we couldn't hold up long enough to pass out of the shotgun, would Milroe have had time to drop back, find a target, and throw? Seems unlikely.
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