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re: After watching Penix vs Michigan…all Milroe haters need to STFU
Posted on 1/8/24 at 11:11 pm to UhOhOreo
Posted on 1/8/24 at 11:11 pm to UhOhOreo
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Penix was 255 of their 299 yards. He missed some open throws, but he also moved the chains time after time because of his arm and made throws to every part of the field to move the chains
He also threw 2 interceptions.
He hurt Washington more than he helped.
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Posted on 1/8/24 at 11:11 pm to UhOhOreo
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Y'all really getting chippy because Penix threw for 200 yards without a rungame, but you're wildly missing the context of what throws they were making to get to their respective stat lines
I think you’re the one wildly missing the context. Penix threw the ball FIFTY ONE times. Milroe actually had the same yards per attempt at 5.0
Posted on 1/8/24 at 11:13 pm to UhOhOreo
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Milroe had nearly three less yards per completion than Penix with his RB's averaging 7.0 YPC to 2.0 YPC, and it wasn't because Penix was pulling a Bo Nix and chasing YAC
You’re not as smart as you think you are. Fun fact, Penix had 24 incompletions, over 3 times as many as Milroe. There’s a reason why people use yards per attempt.
This post was edited on 1/8/24 at 11:16 pm
Posted on 1/8/24 at 11:15 pm to TideSaint
And -4 had a critical fumble due to lack of IQ
Posted on 1/8/24 at 11:16 pm to WW
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And -4 had a critical fumble due to lack of IQ
How is that lack of IQ?
Posted on 1/8/24 at 11:17 pm to Crimsontide1713
I said per completion, not attempt. I'm talking about the actual outcome of the passes 
, it's a quick way to assume ADOT which we already saw on tape.
, it's a quick way to assume ADOT which we already saw on tape. This post was edited on 1/8/24 at 11:20 pm
Posted on 1/8/24 at 11:19 pm to Crimsontide1713
Ball security.
Posted on 1/8/24 at 11:27 pm to mistaken4193
My critique of Milroe has nothing to do with his stats, rating, w-l record, etc. these things are not reliable when assessing QB ability. For example the rating system rewards you if you hold a ball vs attempting a pass and it falls incomplete. Nor does it ding you when you missed open receivers, etc.
Many QBs can win 10+ games a season because we have the most talent 95% of the time. It’s the other 5% when it really matters. We know this is true because Saban has had many QBs of various skills, speed, size, shape, IQ, etc. but not all of them were capable of winning a NC.
So forget the stats, w-l records, ratings and ask yourself what are the differences in these QBs. What are the common characteristics of the NC winning QB’s.
All the QBs that won national championships at Bama have this in common: high football IQ, pocket presence, pocket awareness, ability to call audibles to avoid pressures, ability to call protections to pick up blitz schemes, ability to make quick decisions post snap, ability to take with a defense is giving.
Milroe as of 1/8/24 can do none of these things and yet just like with QBs before him, the team is still capable of 10+ win seasons. But will not win a NC unless we have a QB that can do the above. That’s not my opinion. Those are the facts of what has transpired under Saban.
I hope something clicks for Milroe and he can become that QB and wins a NC. It takes years to develop these skills generally beginning in Junior high. Milroe will need to hire a QB guru (like Tua and others have) to work with him immediately if he has any shot at improving in such a short time. He will be the starter next year so I guess we will see how serious he takes his development in the off season.
Many QBs can win 10+ games a season because we have the most talent 95% of the time. It’s the other 5% when it really matters. We know this is true because Saban has had many QBs of various skills, speed, size, shape, IQ, etc. but not all of them were capable of winning a NC.
So forget the stats, w-l records, ratings and ask yourself what are the differences in these QBs. What are the common characteristics of the NC winning QB’s.
All the QBs that won national championships at Bama have this in common: high football IQ, pocket presence, pocket awareness, ability to call audibles to avoid pressures, ability to call protections to pick up blitz schemes, ability to make quick decisions post snap, ability to take with a defense is giving.
Milroe as of 1/8/24 can do none of these things and yet just like with QBs before him, the team is still capable of 10+ win seasons. But will not win a NC unless we have a QB that can do the above. That’s not my opinion. Those are the facts of what has transpired under Saban.
I hope something clicks for Milroe and he can become that QB and wins a NC. It takes years to develop these skills generally beginning in Junior high. Milroe will need to hire a QB guru (like Tua and others have) to work with him immediately if he has any shot at improving in such a short time. He will be the starter next year so I guess we will see how serious he takes his development in the off season.
Posted on 1/8/24 at 11:30 pm to MySabanPlease
This x1000
We are gimped, we have an offensive ceiling. We rely either on our RB's to carry us, or our defense to carry us. We don't win games with our quarterback, we survive them. We had this same discourse on here because of the same scenario with Hurts
We have the talent to win 10+ games with a dud, but the second we run into upper tier talent it becomes an absolute dogfight. We have the talent to where that shouldn't be the case in 50%+ of our games, and if we can't execute the offense because we have a quarterback that can't do it, that's a problem
We are gimped, we have an offensive ceiling. We rely either on our RB's to carry us, or our defense to carry us. We don't win games with our quarterback, we survive them. We had this same discourse on here because of the same scenario with Hurts
We have the talent to win 10+ games with a dud, but the second we run into upper tier talent it becomes an absolute dogfight. We have the talent to where that shouldn't be the case in 50%+ of our games, and if we can't execute the offense because we have a quarterback that can't do it, that's a problem
This post was edited on 1/8/24 at 11:31 pm
Posted on 1/8/24 at 11:33 pm to mistaken4193
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Milroe performed better against Michigan than Penix did. Milroe got better each week all year and just faced an all time great defense. So haters STFU am
shite getting straight up retarded in here
Posted on 1/8/24 at 11:41 pm to UhOhOreo
We averaged 34 points which was top 25 in the country.
We scored 27 vs Georgia and 20 vs Michigan. We scored more vs Michigan than Washington who had the #1 scoring offense all season did.
Our offense wasn’t bad this season by any means.
If Milroe and the Wrs improve in the offseason like they should and we can get competent snapping and pass blocking next year we should be one of the best offenses in the country.
We scored 27 vs Georgia and 20 vs Michigan. We scored more vs Michigan than Washington who had the #1 scoring offense all season did.
Our offense wasn’t bad this season by any means.
If Milroe and the Wrs improve in the offseason like they should and we can get competent snapping and pass blocking next year we should be one of the best offenses in the country.
This post was edited on 1/9/24 at 12:04 am
Posted on 1/8/24 at 11:44 pm to CrimsonFever
Our offense got better throughout the year. Once we have more time under our belt, I think we can be pretty damn solid with Milroe.
I'm excited to see what next year holds if we can get some more consistency from the line, a year under Rees belt, and a more experienced Milroe.
I'm excited to see what next year holds if we can get some more consistency from the line, a year under Rees belt, and a more experienced Milroe.
Posted on 1/8/24 at 11:49 pm to UhOhOreo
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I said per completion, not attempt. I'm talking about the actual outcome of the passes , it's a quick way to assume ADOT which we already saw on tape.
Pretty sure the outcome of incomplete passes matters too…
Posted on 1/9/24 at 12:11 am to Crimsontide1713
If you're throwing downfield, you're going to have a higher incompletion rate because you're throwing more difficult passes. You’re going to exacerbate that when you’re behind a score and time starts ticking, forcing more aggressive throws. If you’re chunking two to three yard throws, you’re going absolutely nowhere compared to what Penix was doing and making it even tougher on your backs to break to open field.
Fun exercise for everyone here, which one is Milroe and which one is Jalen Hurts?
Fun exercise for everyone here, which one is Milroe and which one is Jalen Hurts?
This post was edited on 1/9/24 at 12:32 am
Posted on 1/9/24 at 12:45 am to mistaken4193
I want a QB that throws it to the wide open check down or TE a few yards downfield. Like Saban’s been preaching: a point fckn guard not a two guard.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 1:32 am to mistaken4193
A competent QB and Bama is celebrating another national title.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 1:34 am to CrimsonFever
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Milroe was 16 of 23 Penix was 27 of 5
LOL for barely 100 yards.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 1:43 am to CrimsonFever
We scored 27 vs Georgia and 20 vs Michigan. We
Better QB play and Bama beats Georgia by more than three. He missed multiple receivers on check down routes , took sacks even when rhey were open.
Those runs he made to seal the game, I think surprised Georgia but a blind squirrel also finds a nut occasionally.
Bama’s ceiling was 27 points a game on offense against quality teams. Get out of here with that 34 per game shite.
Hope he improves in the off season but you’re completely delusional if you think he’s a great QB.
Better QB play and Bama beats Georgia by more than three. He missed multiple receivers on check down routes , took sacks even when rhey were open.
Those runs he made to seal the game, I think surprised Georgia but a blind squirrel also finds a nut occasionally.
Bama’s ceiling was 27 points a game on offense against quality teams. Get out of here with that 34 per game shite.
Hope he improves in the off season but you’re completely delusional if you think he’s a great QB.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 3:35 am to mistaken4193
Maybe this would resonate more if Michigan were the only game we played this year, but we had 11 other games with subpar quarterback play
Posted on 1/9/24 at 5:29 am to TS1926
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A competent QB and Bama is celebrating another national title.
A competent OC and we are celebrating.
This is what you guys hate to hear. We all know Milroe has limitations so why is his OC not calling plays to expose Michigan defense limitations?
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