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Posted on 9/7/20 at 11:03 pm to Lucius Clay
Posted on 9/7/20 at 11:03 pm to Lucius Clay
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an unarmed black man is about four times more likely to be killed by police than an unarmed white man.
Could it be possible that blacks are four times more likely to resist arrest? Also, being killed while unarmed does not in and of itself constitute a lack of justification by the cop. (I’m not saying you were implying this, either, just clarifying.)
This post was edited on 9/8/20 at 5:11 am
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Posted on 9/7/20 at 11:06 pm to Lucius Clay
Foo Man Choo is a real Christian an I don’t think many on here would argue that. You’re comparisons weren’t good, either.
Posted on 9/7/20 at 11:23 pm to Lucius Clay
quote:Perhaps, or perhaps it is because they tend to have two parents in the home and instill a culture of discipline.
Perhaps they stay indoors and do everything possible to avoid contact with police?
One thing I’ve seen over and over again with the victims of police violence that inspire protests is that they are usually killed after resisting arrest. That isn’t to say the response by police is always appropriate, but it makes you wonder if the victims complied with police like most other people, if they would have been victims at all.
Posted on 9/7/20 at 11:40 pm to MeatCleaverWeaver
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Could it be possible that a blacks are four times more likely to resist arrest?
Possibly, but could it be possible that if they are more likely to resist, it is because they know that they are more likely to be physically assaulted or killed in the process of being arrested than white people? I mean, there is some history in this country when it comes to violence against black folks.
Also: Resistance or no resistance from suspects, how does getting your neck stepped on until you suffocate or getting shot in the back while running away get justified? Are these seriously the police that you want?
This post was edited on 9/7/20 at 11:47 pm
Posted on 9/7/20 at 11:46 pm to FooManChoo
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it makes you wonder if the victims complied with police like most other people, if they would have been victims at all.
Sounds like the usual rationalization for bad behavior by law enforcement. It's true that most of the people getting killed by police in these situations are not model citizens (though from time to time, we have seen a few of those get into unfortunate interactions - frequently involving misidentifications - that lead to their death).
But despite many or most not being model citizens and some resisting arrest in various ways, law enforcement professionals are supposed to be just that...PROFESSIONALS.
This stuff's been going on for decades, generations actually. I can only imagine what it would have been like for black folks in the Jim Crow era.
Thankfully, cameras and cell phones are everywhere now.
Posted on 9/8/20 at 12:37 am to Lucius Clay
quote:It isn’t, at least not for behavior that is truly bad on the part of law enforcement. I’m sympathetic to officers as they take their own lives in their hands every day and the vast majority of them are not bad people, yet those who are bad tend to make things bad for all.
Sounds like the usual rationalization for bad behavior by law enforcement.
Even so, I noticed you didn’t quote the part of my statement that immediately preceded what you did quote: “That isn’t to say the response by police is always appropriate“
quote:Pretty much all of the high profile victims that sparked protests were engaged by police due to their own criminal activity. It wasn’t like they were just in the wrong place at the wrong time and stumbled upon a racist cop who was looking for someone to kill. That changes the narrative completely. Instead of innocent black men falling prey to racist cops (which would be indicative of the systemic racism that is alleged), you have criminals resisting arrest and some even attacking officers and being killed in the process. It doesn’t exactly help the BLM movement to tell the whole truth about those situations.
It's true that most of the people getting killed by police in these situations are not model citizens (though from time to time, we have seen a few of those get into unfortunate interactions - frequently involving misidentifications - that lead to their death).
quote:I agree with this, and it is why police need more funding for more training rather than less. Do we really want no police on the streets? Do we really want the police that are there to have less training due to lessened funding? I don’t. I don’t think that will fix anything but it may make things worse as mob rule and vigilante justice take over.
But despite many or most not being model citizens and some resisting arrest in various ways, law enforcement professionals are supposed to be just that...PROFESSIONALS.
And yet police officers still have the same right to self defense as you and I do. When they are afraid for their lives or the lives of others, they are certainly justified to use lethal force. It would be better to discuss whether or not a particular use of force is justified by the standard for fear of life and limb than condemning all uses of force, as many are doing these days. Any unjustified use of force should be punished to the fullest extent of the law.
quote:Yes, terrible things went down in the past, especially when racism was codified in our very laws. I’m thankful that we don’t have that problem today and that acts of racist violence can be prosecuted.
This stuff's been going on for decades, generations actually. I can only imagine what it would have been like for black folks in the Jim Crow era.
quote:Im more thankful for body cams and dash cams, to be honest, though cell phones can provide additional context and accountability. The George Floyd cell phone footage, for example, did more harm than good, IMO, as it started a wild fire of race riots that, as more information has been made available to the public, are less and less justified. Selective footage and editing can be more dangerous than none at all. It’s why everyone should be patient and not rush to judgment.
Thankfully, cameras and cell phones are everywhere now.
Posted on 9/8/20 at 8:30 am to Lucius Clay
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Fail. You cited Tucker Carlson's b.s. comments on video rather than linking to the Washington Post database. Suggest you do a bit more research rather than relying on the guy who's chief writer recently had to resign after being outed for blatantly racist posts that he thought were anonymous.
No you fail.
I see you "edited" or revised your post last night to include "all circumstances" to come up with your number of 277 deaths. Well, all circumstances includes everything... vehicle, tazer, gun, other accident-mistakes, etc. Most of these deaths are not malicious.
I just used your link. Their data for 2019 says the number unarmed blacks killed by police is 30, which is the highest one I have seen and is probably biased.
Here is USA Today who is fact checking Charlie Kirk(who said the number of unarmed blacks killed in 2019 was 8). Their numbers they cite for unarmed blacks killed by cops is anywhere from 13 to 25. Again not your 277.
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Every source keeping track of this says the number is between 8-30, not 277 as you initially claimed. And these are all "left wing sources". I would say they are doing everything to pad their stats.
Again you clowns are pushing these large numbers. Large numbers that are not happening. It is an intent to deceive and misinform. Be honest, 12 unarmed deaths in a pop of 335 million is miniscule.
This post was edited on 9/8/20 at 8:41 am
Posted on 9/8/20 at 9:25 am to frogtown
History will show that BLM raised the bar on exploiting black folks to levels never even dreamed by the Democratic Party. It is sad really.
Posted on 9/8/20 at 11:43 am to frogtown
I'm concerned about cops indiscriminately shooting all kinds of men, women and children. There is a big problem.
Cop Shoots 13-Year-Old Boy Suffering Mental Episode
Cop Shoots 13-Year-Old Boy Suffering Mental Episode
Posted on 9/8/20 at 11:59 am to Whiznot
Looks like bodycam will be public later this month. If you dont mind, I'm curious what that details.
Posted on 9/8/20 at 12:21 pm to Walkthedawg
Good for you.
I was a huge Georgia fan, but my beliefs and integrity are more important. If people cannot reject anything that promotes an outright lie then they are showing God just how much they love the world.
1 John 2:15
Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
I was a huge Georgia fan, but my beliefs and integrity are more important. If people cannot reject anything that promotes an outright lie then they are showing God just how much they love the world.
1 John 2:15
Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
Posted on 9/8/20 at 12:33 pm to meansonny
I would also like to see the body cam video. There is no reason that it couldn't be released earlier than required by law.
No weapon was found. The child's mother said that there was no weapon and that she told the cops that there wasn't. Reportedly, the child was shot while running away.
No weapon was found. The child's mother said that there was no weapon and that she told the cops that there wasn't. Reportedly, the child was shot while running away.
Posted on 9/8/20 at 1:39 pm to Whiznot
quote:If the investigation shows that the officers were involved in a "bad shoot", then I hope they get punished to the fullest extent of the law.
I'm concerned about cops indiscriminately shooting all kinds of men, women and children. There is a big problem.
Cop Shoots 13-Year-Old Boy Suffering Mental Episode
That said, it seems you think that cops are just gunning down people for no reason at all. That's simply not true as the rule, and those that are should be convicted of murder and thrown in jail or executed by the state.
Posted on 9/8/20 at 5:51 pm to FooManChoo
In the cop's mind there is always a reason but it may be as simple as this man, or boy, is getting away. The offense might be as simple as running a stop sign, having an expired tag or looking suspicious.
The standards for office are ridiculously low and the position is attractive to authoritarian bullies.
The standards for office are ridiculously low and the position is attractive to authoritarian bullies.
Posted on 9/9/20 at 12:30 am to Whiznot
The SCOTUS has ruled that there are two circumstances that warrant lethal force by officers: when the officer fears for his/her life or when the suspect is fleeing and the officer believes them to be a danger to the public.
The standard isn’t low. Police cannot shoot a fleeing old man with no reasonable suspicion that they are armed, for instance. If the person has a weapon or says they have a weapon (reasonable suspicion that they are armed), then the officer may be justified to use lethal force to stop them from potentially harming the public.
In regards to the offense that starts the confrontation, yes, that can be for anything resembling a violation of the law. However an officer can’t shoot someone simply because they ran a stop sign. The person in the car has to provide a cause that is “objectively reasonable” for the officer to use lethal force.
Dash cams and body cams are a great tool to help limit opportunities for abuse, but as it stands, police work is extremely dangerous and it’s not getting any better with a movement that is preaching hostility and combativeness towards officers.
The standard isn’t low. Police cannot shoot a fleeing old man with no reasonable suspicion that they are armed, for instance. If the person has a weapon or says they have a weapon (reasonable suspicion that they are armed), then the officer may be justified to use lethal force to stop them from potentially harming the public.
In regards to the offense that starts the confrontation, yes, that can be for anything resembling a violation of the law. However an officer can’t shoot someone simply because they ran a stop sign. The person in the car has to provide a cause that is “objectively reasonable” for the officer to use lethal force.
Dash cams and body cams are a great tool to help limit opportunities for abuse, but as it stands, police work is extremely dangerous and it’s not getting any better with a movement that is preaching hostility and combativeness towards officers.
Posted on 9/9/20 at 7:50 am to FooManChoo
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if the implication is that I’m not really a Christian because I said that I am, you’d be wrong.
Apologies, that wasn’t my implication. I just get a good chuckle when I hear people say that because it’s usually followed by an incredibly immoral statement.
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objective basis for human value and dignity that doesn’t exist outside of a biblical worldview
Reeks of Calvinism. Lutheran-tradition faiths would disagree with that.
Posted on 9/9/20 at 9:01 am to FlexDawg
LOL
Did y'all high-five at shift change?
Did y'all high-five at shift change?
Posted on 9/9/20 at 10:50 am to baconwaffle
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Apologies, that wasn’t my implication.
quote:I don't know about that, but I don't disagree with the sentiment that there are a lot of professing Christians that don't live like they should.
I just get a good chuckle when I hear people say that because it’s usually followed by an incredibly immoral statement.
We're all sinners, especially Christians, and we all need forgiveness in Jesus Christ. Too many Christians aren't being taught that they also need to "be perfect" (Matt. 5:48) and to obey Christ out of love (John 14:15). Obviously we won't be perfect, but we are supposed to live holy lives in obedience to God out of thankfulness for what He's done for us in Jesus. Too many Christians think that their responsibility towards God ends when they've walked an aisle.
quote:I'm a calvinist, but the argument isn't calvinist-specific. It's a philosophical statement at its heart. What I'm saying is that if God doesn't exist, then there is no objective value or dignity within humanity.
Reeks of Calvinism. Lutheran-tradition faiths would disagree with that.
Take an evolutionary worldview for example: the notion is that humans are cosmic accidents within a purposeless, unguided, and indifferent universe. How is value intrinsic to humanity when we are just a different combination of atoms from a rock, tree, or ant? From this perspective, value is entirely subjective and arbitrary. One person can assign value as they please and another can assign value elsewhere, or nowhere at all. Who is to say which is correct and where value truly exists? Do humans have intrinsic value that must be defended and preserved? If so, how is that claim justified when we are just more evolved animals?
The Bible teaches that humans have intrinsic value--and value above even the animals--due to us being made in the image of God. Since He created us and we ultimately belong to Him, we cannot do to other humans as we please but must be regulated in our behavior towards each other by the limits that God has placed upon us. The notion of natural rights stems from this view, that we were created by God with this value or worth and with inherent protections that we have no authority to trespass. If we are not created by God with such value and dignity, then our rights and our worth are at the discretion of each individual, or each governing body that wields the power.
Posted on 9/9/20 at 6:38 pm to JakeScott
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LOL
Did y'all high-five at shift change?
Posted on 9/9/20 at 11:27 pm to FooManChoo
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