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Posted on 9/12/20 at 9:33 am to FooManChoo
Posted on 9/12/20 at 9:33 am to FooManChoo
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If you're a black man in America, you're far more likely to be shot and killed by another black man than by a police officer, and the shootings that have made the news recently all involved resisting arrest. Just don't do it.
Resisting arrest is the common theme in almost all of these types of cases. If if you are incorrectly charged with a crime or are innocent of what the police allege, once you start resisting arrest that becomes an issue when you go before the judge. The cop is going to take you in either by himself, and you are upright, or with the help of his buddies and you may go in an ambulance. Tell it to the judge, he is the only one that can issue a ruling, the cop can't. Back many, many years ago when cops carried nightsticks and billy clubs if you resisted they beat the hell out of you but at least you weren't killed by getting shot.
I don't know why this is so hard for some people to understand.
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Posted on 9/12/20 at 10:20 am to bunkerhill
People of all races should teach their kids to never resist arrest. To call police officers “sir”. And that most importantly, if you think criminal behavior makes you cool, note that the end game typically leads to you being killed or to years of non consensual Gay sex in prison.
Problem solved.
Problem solved.
Posted on 9/12/20 at 12:16 pm to Peter Buck
You make it sound so simple but it's not.
Cops fear black men and black men fear cops. The fear causes people to act in ways that increase the likelihood of deadly outcomes.
If we can end the drug war we could get a lot closer to harmony.
Cops fear black men and black men fear cops. The fear causes people to act in ways that increase the likelihood of deadly outcomes.
If we can end the drug war we could get a lot closer to harmony.
Posted on 9/12/20 at 1:08 pm to Whiznot
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You make it sound so simple but it's not.
It really is. Stop resisting arrest. If you disagree with why you were arrested, fight it in court, not on the street. If you get busted committing a crime, take your punishment like a fricking man.
Posted on 9/12/20 at 2:03 pm to Whiznot
quote:Why do you think so?
If we can end the drug war we could get a lot closer to harmony.
Posted on 9/12/20 at 2:20 pm to Whiznot
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Cops fear black men and black men fear cops
Now we are making progress. In your opinion, why do they fear each other?
Posted on 9/12/20 at 3:17 pm to Peter Buck
It's obvious why black people fear cops. Cops can kill (often with impunity) and imprison. It's common for racist cops to plant drugs on black people.
It's harder to understand why cops fear black people but there are a lot of guns around.
I think that the societal effects of the drug war have been catastrophic. A wedge has been driven between cops and citizens of every race.
It's harder to understand why cops fear black people but there are a lot of guns around.
I think that the societal effects of the drug war have been catastrophic. A wedge has been driven between cops and citizens of every race.
Posted on 9/12/20 at 3:20 pm to Whiznot
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It's common for racist cops to plant drugs on black people.
Jesus Christ...
Posted on 9/12/20 at 5:57 pm to Whiznot
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It's obvious why black people fear cops. Cops can kill (often with impunity) and imprison. It's common for racist cops to plant drugs on black people.
It's harder to understand why cops fear black people but there are a lot of guns around.
This might be the dumbest thing I've ever seen posted on this board, and that says a lot.
If police officers are scared of black people, it is because statistics tell them to be. Black people make up 13% of the US population and commit 50% of the violent crime.
And it's common to plant drugs on black people? Do you have some data to support that, or are you just going to spout off the same bullshite CNN talking points?
Jacob Blake deserved to get shot. It's a shame that he survived. At least he's paralyzed and can't rape again, though.
Posted on 9/12/20 at 7:38 pm to Whiznot
quote:That's true for all people, not just blacks. Why isn't your typical Asian or Hispanic terrified of cops?
It's obvious why black people fear cops. Cops can kill (often with impunity) and imprison.
quote:How many "racist cops" are patrolling the streets these days?
It's common for racist cops to plant drugs on black people.
quote:As someone else said, it's likely an issue of statistics. If an officer is more likely to be resisted and attacked in a more crime-ridden area, they are likely going to be more on guard than if they were walking the beat in Mayberry.
It's harder to understand why cops fear black people but there are a lot of guns around.
As a civilian, I feel the same way. In fact I purposefully steer clear of areas with notoriously high crime rates. Law enforcement officers don't have that luxury.
quote:Speaking as someone who doesn't take illegal drugs, there has been no wedge driven between me and law enforcement.
I think that the societal effects of the drug war have been catastrophic. A wedge has been driven between cops and citizens of every race.
All I hear when someone says that the war on drugs is the problem is that law-breakers would like the police better if their illegal activities were legalized and they didn't have to worry about being arrested. Well, yeah. That's true for everyone breaking the law; if we just legalized everything that is currently illegal, there wouldn't be as many wedges out there.
How about law-breakers just stop breaking the law? Wouldn't that remove the wedge between cops and citizens?
BTW, I'm not passionately against legalization of marijuana even though I don't use it. I just think it's strange how the only option on the table to heal the divide is to legalize drugs instead of encouraging people to stop doing illegal things.
Posted on 9/12/20 at 9:22 pm to FooManChoo
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I just think it's strange how the only option on the table to heal the divide is to legalize drugs instead of encouraging people to stop doing illegal things.
It's because it's become a bullshite reason for cops to do searches. All a cop has to do and say they smell pot and suddenly they're allowed to search you. And of course there's the entire asinine idea of jailing people for possesion which overcrowds our prisons and turns kids into hardened criminals.
Not to mention throwing addicts in jail does nothing to help them. The war on drugs has destroyed communities, given rise to powerful gangs, and is a big money maker for the cartels.
Ending the WOD by legalizing marijuana and putting addicts in rehab centers instead of jail cells would help urban and poor communities tremendously.
Also to answer your question about the black community and cops all you have to do is look at the history between the two. I mean it wasn't very long ago that some cops got off free for beating Rodney King and that was captured on tape
This post was edited on 9/12/20 at 9:24 pm
Posted on 9/12/20 at 9:41 pm to dawgfan24348
But why do cops fear black people?
Posted on 9/12/20 at 9:42 pm to dawgfan24348
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I mean it wasn't very long ago that some cops got off free for beating Rodney King and that was captured on tape
That happened before you were born. Rodney King was a piece of a shite and a danger to society.
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Also to answer your question about the black community and cops all you have to do is look at the history between the two
Yes. I see 13% of the population committing 50% of the violent crimes in this country. There is a serious problem within a culture when they think it is acceptable to commit crime at that rate. Any culture that glorifies gang violence and baby momma drama is a cancer to society.
Are there a-hole police officers out there? Sure. But the much, much, much bigger issue is the black culture where there is close to 80% out of wedlock birth rate and where resisting/fighting with police officers is looked at as a badge of honor and not trashy.
Posted on 9/12/20 at 9:48 pm to VADawg
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I mean it wasn't very long ago that some cops got off free for beating Rodney King and that was captured on tape
That happened before you were born. Rodney King was a piece of a shite and a danger to society
That's just wrong. I'm very proudly Blue Lives Matter. But evading police is not permission to beat an individual like an animal. The goal on every call is for everyone to be alive at the end. We are all people.
Fighting a cop is dumb and wrong. It shouldnt be a death sentence. However, fighting a cop is going into a battle with someone trained to go home to their family when the fight is over. On the scale of fatal decisions that one can make, it is very high up there.
Posted on 9/12/20 at 9:53 pm to VADawg
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That happened before you were born
It's still a relatively short time
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Rodney King was a piece of a shite and a danger to society.
Who cares if he was? That doesn't give the police the ok to beat the shite out of him.
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Yes. I see 13% of the population committing 50% of the violent crimes in this country. There is a serious problem within a culture when they think it is acceptable to commit crime at that rate. Any culture that glorifies gang violence and baby momma drama is a cancer to society.
While you have a point there's reason to suggest that this isn't as much as a black thing as it is a common theme among poor communities regardless of race.
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There is evidence in the official police-recorded figures that black Americans are more likely to commit certain types of crime than people of other races.
While it would be naïve to suggest that there is no racism in the US criminal justice system, victim reports don’t support the idea that this is because of mass discrimination.
Higher poverty rates among various urban black communities might explain the difference in crime rates, although the evidence is mixed.
Posted on 9/12/20 at 9:57 pm to Peter Buck
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But why do cops fear black people?
I don’t think it's necessarily that cops fear black people as much as it that cops are on higher alert if they're in high crime areas which just happen to be ghettos. Another problem is that the cops need better training as well as higher standards when hiring the cops. Sorry if even I don’t trust the high school drop out with a gun who has anger issues
Posted on 9/12/20 at 10:18 pm to dawgfan24348
You can have as much police reform as you want and you can push for as much decriminalization of drugs as you want, but absolutely nothing will change until black/hip hop culture is torn down and rebuilt from the ground up. They have to accept that their own culture is responsible for the majority of their problems. Otherwise, any money spent on police reform might as well be set on fire because it would be completely pointless.
Posted on 9/13/20 at 2:10 am to dawgfan24348
quote:I’m curious how many times this happens where pot is claimed to be smelled when there has never been pot in the car. Are you saying the police don’t actually smell it or are you saying they do but it’s a dumb excuse to search a car?
It's because it's become a bull shite reason for cops to do searches. All a cop has to do and say they smell pot and suddenly they're allowed to search you.
quote:Bad choices generally lead to bad consequences. From what I understand, possession charges alone make up very few numbers of the prison population. Those in prison are generally there for distribution, possession along side other offenses, or having a worse charge pled down to possession but with a harsher sentence than they’d get for just possession normally.
And of course there's the entire asinine idea of jailing people for possesion which overcrowds our prisons and turns kids into hardened criminals.
quote:That depends. It can help some quit cold turkey but you’re right that it doesn’t help everyone. I’m of the opinion that jail should be more punitive than rehabilitative so I’m not easily swayed by that particular argument.
Not to mention throwing addicts in jail does nothing to help them.
quote:I’d argue that it is the use of drugs and other poor choices that has led to those outcomes. While I’m very sympathetic to those who feel lost in the world, it’s hard for me to justify someone knowingly breaking the law and then acting like a victim for it. Everyone who has their lives ruined by a prison sentence could argue that legalizing the actions that got them there might give them a better outcome in life.
The war on drugs has destroyed communities, given rise to powerful gangs, and is a big money maker for the cartels.
quote:Do you think gangs would dry up overnight if drugs were legalized? Do you think fathers would stay at home and help raise their children when drug use and distribution don’t come with the risk of fines or jail sentences? Do you think addicts would get better or worse if their use of drugs wasn’t criminalized, bringing local, state, or federal attention to their addiction?
Ending the WOD by legalizing marijuana and putting addicts in rehab centers instead of jail cells would help urban and poor communities tremendously.
quote:The first trial resulted in acquittals because the tape didn’t show King being tazed and assaulting the arresting officers after resisting arrest and leading the officers on a high-speed car chase. The testimony of the officers—including one that thought the beating was out of control—showed that they thought King was on PCP due to fighting off the taser and being able to push a cop off of him while on his stomach and with the full weight of the officer on him.
Also to answer your question about the black community and cops all you have to do is look at the history between the two. I mean it wasn't very long ago that some cops got off free for beating Rodney King and that was captured on tape
Yes, the beating was too severe, but it was another example of a black man becoming a victim after resisting arrest and attacking officers. He didn’t set himself up for a good outcome regardless of the severity of the response.
If black men were taught to comply with police instead of fight them, perhaps there wouldn’t be as many self-fulfilling prophecies that end with accusations of systemic racism.
Posted on 9/13/20 at 9:12 am to VADawg
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VADawg
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a piece of a shite and a danger to society
I will happily concede the argument that police brutality is OK against shitty people, if we can all agree that police should start brutalizing white nationalist nazi garbage like you. The amount of racist generalizations in your posts. Jesus Christ.
Posted on 9/13/20 at 9:15 am to FooManChoo
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Are you saying the police don’t actually smell it or are you saying they do but it’s a dumb excuse to search a car?
Both I've had cops tell me they smell pot in my car when I haven't touched the stuff is years. But it's also an asinine reason because a cop has to do is say they smell pot to search your car
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Bad choices generally lead to bad consequences.
True but drug possession shouldn't end in jail time
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I’m of the opinion that jail should be more punitive than rehabilitative so I’m not easily swayed by that particular argument
Throwing an addict in jail won't help them and that's what they need. There are a million reasons why people can get addicted to drugs just look at the heroin epidemic most of them started on legal opioids.
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I’d argue that it is the use of drugs and other poor choices that has led to those outcomes.
You make something illegal it creates a black market. There will always be a demand for these things but legalizing marijuana and decriminalization of drug use will go a long way in the fight against the cartels.
You want to trust hurt the cartels you aren't doing it through raids or stings you're doing it by hitting them in the wallet.
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Do you think gangs would dry up overnight if drugs were legalized
Obviously no but it will certainly hurt their business
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Do you think fathers would stay at home and help raise their children when drug use and distribution don’t come with the risk of fines or jail sentences?
I think if addicts are sent to rehab centers instead of jail they'll be able to rejoin society far easier rather than just continue the life of crime
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Everyone who has their lives ruined by a prison sentence could argue that legalizing the actions that got them there might give them a better outcome in life.
Yes but drug possession hurts nobody but the user
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black men were taught to comply with police instead of fight them, perhaps there wouldn’t be as many self-fulfilling prophecies that end with accusations of systemic racism.
You're missing the problem here or just completely ignoring it. If we actually had police reform, ended the WOD, and put addicts in rehab centers you can help repair the relationship between the two communities. Yes the anti cop culture has to change but you're not going to get that until the government decides to change how it uses the police.
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