Started By
Message
re: Life Long dawg fan
Posted on 9/4/20 at 2:03 pm to FooManChoo
Posted on 9/4/20 at 2:03 pm to FooManChoo
In the last decade, while English cops killed 23 people, cops in the US killed 10,000 people. Coaches should advise all players of every race to avoid having any interactions with cops.
I support BLM because if we can prevent cops from murdering black people maybe there is a chance we could also prevent cops from murdering white people.
I support BLM because if we can prevent cops from murdering black people maybe there is a chance we could also prevent cops from murdering white people.
3
Posted on 9/4/20 at 2:07 pm to FooManChoo
It’s a hot button issue and unless the kids ask I don’t think it’s there place to bring it up. I do hope they talk about how to handle situations with the police.
Posted on 9/4/20 at 2:18 pm to Whiznot
quote:
Coaches should advise all players of every race to avoid having any interactions with cops.
I support BLM because if we can prevent cops from murdering black people maybe there is a chance we could also prevent cops from murdering white people.
Posted on 9/4/20 at 2:44 pm to Whiznot
quote:It's not exactly an apples to apples comparison to pit the UK against the USA for a number of reasons, particularly because of strict gun control in the UK (where even the "Bobby's" don't carry them) and the vast majority of people being shot by cops in the US are armed during arrest.
In the last decade, while English cops killed 23 people, cops in the US killed 10,000 people.
Statistics aside, what's important to note is the reason why so many people are shot by police. Officers, by and large, are not going around neighborhoods looking for innocent victims to shoot, and those bad cops that abuse their power and authority should certainly be convicted of the crimes they commit. Police shootings overwhelmingly are done in self-defense and in fear for life and limb, and the standard of fear for life and limb for using deadly force in self-defense applies to the law enforcement just as much as it does for the civilian.
The high-profile shootings that have occurred lately--the ones that the players are likely marching/protesting about--are almost all justified when the facts are revealed. The George Floyd incident that started it all is looking more and more like the claim of police brutality leading to the death of a helpless man was not true. Jacob Blake appears to have had a knife that he was trying to access when he was shot. Rayshard Brooks resisted arrest and took an officer's taser before running off when he was shot. Reports are the Deyon Kay either had a gun or that the police thought he did. So it's not like officers are gunning down innocent black men in the streets like it seems to be the perception of a lot of people.
Waiting for the facts to come out before starting a movement is important because you don't want your movement and message de-legitimatized by having false premises.
quote:I agree with this 100%. Don't do unlawful things and when questioned by the police, don't resist. Nearly all of the public incidents involving people being shot by police have been due to non-compliance and resisting arrest.
Coaches should advise all players of every race to avoid having any interactions with cops
quote:I don't think a movement is needed at all because I don't see cops "murdering" black people or white people in large numbers and the ones who are doing so are being held accountable. It's not as big of a problem as millions of dollars in riot damages would suggest.
I support BLM because if we can prevent cops from murdering black people maybe there is a chance we could also prevent cops from murdering white people
I support holding abuse of power and authority accountable. I support prosecuting bad cops who break the law to the fullest extent of the law. I don't support a movement of anarchy and destruction that is based upon knee-jerk reactions that don't consider the facts.
This post was edited on 9/6/20 at 5:32 pm
Posted on 9/4/20 at 2:47 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
quote:Who do you think brought up the idea to march in protest? I think whoever brought that up opened the door to the discussion.
It’s a hot button issue and unless the kids ask I don’t think it’s there place to bring it up. I do hope they talk about how to handle situations with the police.
Posted on 9/4/20 at 2:57 pm to FooManChoo
Who knows. Who knows if they brought up any of the recent cases or if they just wanted to march for equality. It would just be speculation from us. Unless someone has talked about it.
Posted on 9/4/20 at 3:07 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
quote:I guess my point is this: if the players are the ones bringing it up, it's a great opportunity for the coaches to educate them and let them decide for themselves what they believe.
Who knows. Who knows if they brought up any of the recent cases or if they just wanted to march for equality. It would just be speculation from us. Unless someone has talked about it.
Posted on 9/4/20 at 3:24 pm to FooManChoo
And tell them what? Some of these people were lawfully killed and some weren’t?
Posted on 9/4/20 at 3:29 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
quote:Engage them in discussion about their preconceived notions about injustice in America, specifically in terms of police interactions. Ask them what they believe about it and why they believe it. Provide facts and ask them how those facts fit with their own ideas about reality.
And tell them what? Some of these people were lawfully killed and some weren’t?
Teaching these kids how to think critically is important and should be the point of schooling. If these kids got those lessons at home or in the other classes they took, perhaps it wouldn't be needed by the UGA coaching staff, but simply giving in to emotional responses to march for change without understanding the state of reality isn't going to help them in life.
Posted on 9/4/20 at 4:31 pm to K9
quote:
That being said, if these players want to exercise their right to march and protest for issues they perceive as important
You’re right. And I have a right to not support their bullshite and hold onto my integrity.
Rights are good.
Posted on 9/4/20 at 5:17 pm to FooManChoo
Who says they haven’t? And why is that on the coaches to provide that? They are in classes and can learn from their teachers.
Posted on 9/4/20 at 5:27 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
quote:While possible, it's not likely. Most kids aren't taught critical thinking these days. Schools used to be all about teaching people to think. Not anymore.
Who says they haven’t?
quote:The coaches are leaders and educators, too. They frequently pat themselves on the back for building men, not just football players. It's not the sole responsibility of the coaches but when their players become civically- and politically-minded around social justice messages that could potentially impact cohesion within the team, the coaches do have a responsibility to address those issues to one degree or another.
And why is that on the coaches to provide that?
quote:
They are in classes and can learn from their teachers.
Posted on 9/4/20 at 5:42 pm to FooManChoo
But there are thousands of ways to teach critical thinking. Why do they have to use your specific example? Why can’t they just teach the other ways without pushing an agenda.
Posted on 9/4/20 at 6:18 pm to Whiznot
quote:
When law criminalizes 30% of the adult population the real criminals are the lawmakers.
What law designates a person as a criminal? Don't cite any law that has to be broken before the lawbreaker is deemed a criminal.
Posted on 9/4/20 at 6:59 pm to dawgfan24348
quote:
Oh you got them now being against the nuclear family
I don't got them against anything. It's straight from them dumbass!
quote:Like I said in an earlier post, the biggest problems for young black males is the lack of a strong father figure which is the total opposite stance of this bogus movement.
So you going to address actual problems
quote:
spew OAN/Fox News bullshite
This statement (which I've seen regurgitated a million times) and your inability to spell is all the proof I need to know that you're a mental lightweight who thinks they are way more intelligent than they actually are which is typical of liberals.
Have a good holiday weekend and get that basement cleaned up before your mom has to take the car keys from you.
Posted on 9/4/20 at 7:31 pm to Whiznot
Why are there always these stupid comparisons to Europe? Great Britain is less than 1/5 the size of the USA and their racial breakdown is much more homogeneous. We are the great melting pot and with that comes problems. But I get so sick of these comparisons. The poor in this country on average have a better quality of life than the middle class in europe. We don’t build walls to keep people here and there is no great exodus from here despite the constant barrage of anti-Americanism from the left. And despite our problems, there is no place on earth where there is better opportunity for black people. But if we were to adopt the platform of BLM our grandchildren will be speaking Chinese.
I know replying to you right now on a Friday night is like pissing in the wind because you’re probably high as a kite but maybe you will have an epiphany and realize how moronic it is to support a fraudulent cause like BLM.
I know replying to you right now on a Friday night is like pissing in the wind because you’re probably high as a kite but maybe you will have an epiphany and realize how moronic it is to support a fraudulent cause like BLM.
Posted on 9/5/20 at 1:35 am to dawgfan24348
Well, we could always follow China's example of how to reduce prison populations, and as an upside, people on the organ transplant list would get an early Christmas!
Posted on 9/5/20 at 1:46 am to Porter Osborne Jr
quote:I didn’t say the coaches had to push an agenda. I said they can present facts and ask questions to get the players to question their axioms and presuppositions.
But there are thousands of ways to teach critical thinking. Why do they have to use your specific example? Why can’t they just teach the other ways without pushing an agenda.
You said initially that a great coach will support the players who have this close to their hearts. I don’t think supporting emotion-based decision making based on ignorance is being a great leader, coach, or educator. I believe teaching the kids to think through their presuppositions is a great way to help build strong men and this movement is a great opportunity to provide some teaching to these young men.
And as to why this particular example should be used to teach critical thinking: it is because the trendy thing to do with this movement is to be led by emotion rather than reason. It is a perfect example to teach critical thinking because the issue is real and in their faces and the potential consequences can alter their futures.
Posted on 9/6/20 at 7:19 am to Walkthedawg
You're angry because of a stance against racism?
Posted on 9/6/20 at 10:19 am to icheerforgeorgia
quote:
You're angry because of a stance against racism?
You really think you're going to get an honest answer to this question?
Page 5 of 11
Latest Georgia News
Popular
Back to top
Follow SECRant for SEC Football News