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Posted on 11/7/20 at 6:21 pm
Posted by bbqdawg
Buford
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Posted on 11/7/20 at 6:21 pm
Is QB practice if this all we have?
Posted by athenslife101
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 11/7/20 at 6:24 pm to
I’d love a coach to be honest about what’s going on. Coaches are inherently cowards so they won’t be, but it’d be nice for once if they spoke the truth.
Posted by Dawgsontop34
Member since Jun 2014
42471 posts
Posted on 11/7/20 at 6:24 pm to
What do you want the coaches to say?
Posted by BranchDawg
Flowery Branch
Member since Nov 2013
9830 posts
Posted on 11/7/20 at 6:27 pm to
That the guys are playing really bad but we don’t have any other options if that’s the truth. And if Daniels isn’t able to play, they need to say it.
Posted by athenslife101
Member since Feb 2013
18552 posts
Posted on 11/7/20 at 6:28 pm to
Explain in detail why Georgia was only able to complete 9 passes in a game we were favored to win. Why we’ve given up 35+ In our last 3 big games when we’ve had a “top” defense. No motivational coach speak bullshite. Honest evaluation of why we are consistently failing.
Posted by athenslife101
Member since Feb 2013
18552 posts
Posted on 11/7/20 at 6:30 pm to
That’s one thing I love about F1. They interview the team leads and they’re just like “well, we will try but our analysis says if we perform at our best, we hope to get a top 7 finish and doing better isn’t likely.”
Posted by claydawg09
Covington
Member since Sep 2013
1805 posts
Posted on 11/7/20 at 6:36 pm to
Do you not listen to Kirby? “Stetson gives us the best chance to win”. That’s him telling you that he’s doing better than Mathis and Beck in practice and that Daniels isn’t really in the equation due to health or whatever. If he was or the others were doing well in practice, he wouldn’t say that.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
41644 posts
Posted on 11/7/20 at 6:39 pm to
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Do you not listen to Kirby? “Stetson gives us the best chance to win”. That’s him telling you that he’s doing better than Mathis and Beck in practice and that Daniels isn’t really in the equation due to health or whatever. If he was or the others were doing well in practice, he wouldn’t say that.
This.

"best chance to win" does not mean Bennett is all-world. It means he's the best of our current options, which means we're in terrible shape at that position right now.
Posted by athenslife101
Member since Feb 2013
18552 posts
Posted on 11/7/20 at 6:40 pm to
Not good enough. Best shot at winning doesn’t mean we have a shot at winning. We have more resources and talent than anyone in the SEC. so we have obviously mismanaged those resources. How and why?
Posted by TheJimBrown7
Member since Mar 2017
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Posted on 11/7/20 at 6:46 pm to
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Do you not listen to Kirby? “Stetson gives us the best chance to win


But Kirby thought D’Wan Mathis gave us the best chance to win at Arkansas and he looked like a chicken with his head cut off? And Kirby also told us Fromm (the 5th round draft pick who will hold a clipboard on the sidelines his entire career) was a better option than Justin Fields, the Heisman favorite who has put up video game numbers at OSU and will be a top 5 pick in 2021

So I think it’s safe to say Kirby has no clue what he’s talking about when it comes to QB evaluation.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
41644 posts
Posted on 11/7/20 at 6:48 pm to
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TheJimBrown7
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
27294 posts
Posted on 11/7/20 at 6:52 pm to
Do these guys suck this bad in practice?

Posted by Spaceman Spiff
Savannah
Member since Sep 2012
17459 posts
Posted on 11/7/20 at 6:53 pm to
If our D performs like that in practice then they probably look like world beaters
Posted by JCdawg
Member since Sep 2014
7776 posts
Posted on 11/7/20 at 6:55 pm to
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Do these guys suck this bad in practice?


I would bet they look pretty decent against our trash secondary.

Congrats to the dogs for giving up 500 through the air today. I don’t care if it was all second string players, 500 passing yards is not acceptable.
Posted by TheJimBrown7
Member since Mar 2017
663 posts
Posted on 11/7/20 at 6:55 pm to
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FooManChoo


Keep defending Smart and see where it gets you. “Fromm beat out Fields” - ok - Allegedly Mathis beat out Bennett to start vs Arkansas. And he looked like a fish out of water.

So, is there a possibility Kirby sucks at evaluating QBs?
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
27294 posts
Posted on 11/7/20 at 7:04 pm to
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I would bet they look pretty decent against our trash secondary


We were down #1 then #2 safety along several others dinged up or missing.

I would bet they didn't look good at against our healthy #1's
Posted by VADawg
Wherever
Member since Nov 2011
44722 posts
Posted on 11/7/20 at 7:05 pm to
Tyson Campbell, who is supposed to be 1st round good, has been getting torched all season.
Posted by JCdawg
Member since Sep 2014
7776 posts
Posted on 11/7/20 at 7:06 pm to
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I would bet they didn't look good at against our healthy #1's


I know there were some pick 6s thrown in the practices and scrimmages if that tells you anything.
Posted by Kpdawg
Member since Sep 2020
12 posts
Posted on 11/7/20 at 7:11 pm to
None of it matters if the D gives up 40+
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
41644 posts
Posted on 11/7/20 at 7:49 pm to
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Keep defending Smart and see where it gets you.
This is a message board. I don't care where it gets me.

Even so, I'm not defending CKS as much as I'm arguing against poor reasoning. People are saying a lot of stupid things out of frustration.

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“Fromm beat out Fields” - ok -
In Fields first year, yeah. Fields could have won the job in year 2 but didn't want to risk it. He left for selfish reasons and I can't really blame him for looking out for his future, but that's on him, not CKS.

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Allegedly Mathis beat out Bennett to start vs Arkansas. And he looked like a fish out of water.
CKS knew what he had with Bennett. An enthusiastic veteran who has been around the block but was lacking in physical tools. Mathis was less experienced but had a better tool set. Both were unproven under the spotlights and Mathis had won the job in fall practice by default. Bennett wasn't really considered because there were 3 or 4 guys ahead of him at any given time. He came in as a desperation move and it worked so he held the spot. He likely did well enough to keep it in practice and he played pretty well in his first few starts to keep the job. It's simple.

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So, is there a possibility Kirby sucks at evaluating QBs?
That's very possible, but it's not just CKS. It's our offensive coaching staff, too. QBs have to properly manage the offense and they have to move the ball. Bennett was able to do that where the other guys couldn't for various reasons. That wasn't sufficiently known until the first game of the season.

But it's not just about talent. It's about game-readiness. Fields is an exceptional talent. Even more so than Fromm. But he didn't start in '18 because he wasn't ready. Fromm didn't get the start based on talent alone, either. He had an entire season of SEC football under his belt with an SEC championship, a Rose Bowl win, and was a defensive play away from a national championship. He was a proven competitor, leader, and field general. He had shown that he knew the playbook. He knew the players. He could move guys around the field and get everyone into position to be successful each play. He was a good decision-maker. He could make just about any throw a coach would want him to make. He just didn't have a canon for an arm and he wasn't a "mobile" QB. But give him a clean pocket and he could move the ball for us, and he did.

At the time, Fields hadn't proven anything except that he had natural talent and he hadn't proven that talent against SEC competition. He had a ton of upside but was an unknown commodity at the collegiate level. There was no reason to start him over Fromm. The fact that it was even a competition and the winner was unknown until just before the first game (supposedly) was a PR move, IMO. Even so, Fields got a lot of quality snaps as the backup that most backups simply don't get. Clearly it was a move to try to keep him (and his family?) happy.

That situation wasn't about CKS being a poor judge of personnel. It was bout Fields not being ready to unseat Fromm. It wasn't a commentary on Fields' natural abilities or even his future as a star. It was purely about playing the percentages to win games and get back to the playoffs and Fromm gave us the best chance to do that in CKS' mind because he had already done it once. Fields got impatient and left. I get it, but he wasn't forced out by CKS or anyone else. He left voluntarily. That's not on the coaching staff. It was bad timing.
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