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re: Georgia's Name, Image, and Likeness bill signed into law by Brian Kemp
Posted on 5/6/21 at 1:41 pm to Crowknowsbest
Posted on 5/6/21 at 1:41 pm to Crowknowsbest
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mean they might
They dont. We know that.
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Nike and Adidas dish out a lot of money in basketball under the table just to get kids to a school their brand controls.
You just said "school" and didnt realize it. I agree with you.
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Jamie Newman is not in the small minority I’m talking about. Regardless, I’m sure an agent paid his living expenses after opting out.
Every athlete not in college football is who we are talking about (giving money to non college players. Your argument that the value is in the players and not the team that they play for).
An agent did pay his expenses and that is a big reason why he didnt play.
Agents are only incentivized to get athletes to sign on the dotted line. The players interests are not at heart (see jerry mcguire and why his good intentions backfired versus the agent who got the signature on the dotted line). Once there is a signature, there is no amateurism. Maybe this bill keeps more kids in school because the shark nature of agents doesnt eliminate college from the athlete's life.
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Those rich parents would pay for their kids to go there with half the amount of 5*s on campus and/or if their kid was on the JV team, and IMG could pocket the difference. Instead they pay for more athletes to go there because they want that relationship.
You are writing in circles. It is the athletes that drive the money (from parents) to IMG. Of course IMG is recruiting and scholarshipping the student body. It is the brand. It continues to sell the brand. No arguments.
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The fact that the market for an IMG Academy even exists should tell you a lot about the preposterousness of amateur sports in 2021
It has nothing to do with preposterousness of amateur sports and everything to do with mommies and daddies wanting their rich kids to get scholarships. See the scandal with celebrities paying $500k for a scholarship spot on the crew team. You seem to be missing the point and target market for IMG
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Posted on 5/6/21 at 1:44 pm to Crowknowsbest
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I very strongly disagree. If Georgia and Florida’s rosters are populated by a bunch of 5’10”, 170 lb dudes running 4.9 40s, no one is watching
Is that what you think is in Diii?
Lol
That is single A high school ball. And even with 5 star QBs dominating the league, no one watches.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 1:52 pm to meansonny
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You are writing in circles. It is the athletes that drive the money (from parents) to IMG. Of course IMG is recruiting and scholarshipping the student body. It is the brand. It continues to sell the brand. No arguments.
Correct, but that brand would still be good enough to drive mommy and daddy to pay if you only had a fraction of the scholarship athletes. The reason they give scholarships to so many more than necessary because the value goes beyond just rich kids paying to go there.
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They dont. We know that.
How do we know that? Nike couldn’t give them money.
A good comparison would be Ja’marr Chase, who has signed some sponsorship deals I believe.
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You just said "school" and didnt realize it. I agree with you.
Nike and Adidas give money to NBDL players too. What matters is the relationship at shoe contract time, not the school.
Basketball isn’t an apples to apples comparison in that the marketing value of a player is much higher than football, but there’s still value there for the very top football prospects.
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See the scandal with celebrities paying $500k for a scholarship spot on the crew team. You seem to be missing the point and target market for IMG
I understand exactly who that target is. That target would pay even if there were 90% less 5*s there. IMG as a company uses that school for more than just attracting those parents.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 1:52 pm to meansonny
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Is that what you think is in Diii?
No. I was using hyperbole to make a point.
I played D3 sports. Even I don’t really want to watch it.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 2:12 pm to Crowknowsbest
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I understand exactly who that target is. That target would pay even if there were 90% less 5*s there. IMG as a company uses that school for more than just attracting those parents
Agree to disagree.
When there is money, it is about status.
There are plenty of private schools who push out college football players (scholarships). The status of being at IMG is what the mommies and daddies are buying (along with the guarantee that coaches will see the children on gametape and increase the scholarship offer rate). With the IMG brand, there is also networking for the parents (similar to harvard, stanford, etc..)
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Ja’marr Chase
You have screenshots of his instagram selling things? Face on advertisements?
Of course he has signed a contract with an agency. But his marketability hit with the draft. Now you will see those things because now he has a target market and draft status.
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Nike and Adidas give money to NBDL players too. What matters is the relationship at shoe contract time, not the school.
Professionals make money? Im shocked.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 2:17 pm to meansonny
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Im not aware of professional leagues that limit ages.
Almost all European soccer clubs have U19, U20 and U23 teams that are professionals with players that get paid.
The U23 teams do allow a few "overage" players, usually first team guys rehabbing from injury (similar to MLB players going to the minors on a rehab assignment).
Posted on 5/6/21 at 2:21 pm to meansonny
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Professionals make money? Im shocked.
They are college-level players who have gone to an alternative league. It is a demonstration that the value of an 18 year old athlete is not completely tied to a school.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 2:46 pm to Crowknowsbest
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They are college-level players who have gone to an alternative league. It is a demonstration that the value of an 18 year old athlete is not completely tied to a school.
But the unfeasibility of an NFL Minor League says it is.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 2:49 pm to Crowknowsbest
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Professionals make money? Im shocked.
They are college-level players who have gone to an alternative league. It is a demonstration that the value of an 18 year old athlete is not completely tied to a school.
Your definition of college-level players may be stretched, here.
It is a league of NBA practice squad players (2 way), NBA waived players (NBA affilate), local tryout players (4 year college players), G League drafted players (nba veterans, international professionals, undrafted rookies), and Draft'n'stash (NBA draftees put into their minor league affiliate).
Posted on 5/6/21 at 2:54 pm to deeprig9
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But the unfeasibility of an NFL Minor League says it is.
because there is college right now...
If those college teams, with the supporters behind them, became a "minor league," it would be feasible
Posted on 5/6/21 at 2:57 pm to Floyd Dawg
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Almost all European soccer clubs have U19, U20 and U23 teams that are professionals with players that get paid.
The U23 teams do allow a few "overage" players, usually first team guys rehabbing from injury (similar to MLB players going to the minors on a rehab assignment).
You know soccer more than i do.
I know hockey. There are junior clubs that provide room and board and limit age requirements. Is there compensation? Yeah. Room and board. Just like college. It is a developmental league (like AAU basketball) that travels like a minor league baseball squad. "Paid" is a pretty liberal term. College football players get paid with their monthly stipends and off campus housing expense. Do you think these soccer kids in europe are getting more in hand than P5 college football players?
Posted on 5/6/21 at 3:00 pm to IT_Dawg
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feasible
Anything is feasible. There currently are semipro teams all across the country where an 18 year old can get paid right now if he is good enough.
"More attractive offer than college" is the debate. That is what would be required to be self sustaining.
Anyone willing to die on this hill?
Posted on 5/6/21 at 5:28 pm to meansonny
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Do you think these soccer kids in europe are getting more in hand than P5 college football players?
Yes, in some cases they're getting a lot more.
The club I support signed a 19 yo player in January on a $100,000/week salary and he's playing with the U23s. He's played a few games with the first team, but not the majority.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 8:43 pm to IT_Dawg
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but RIP womens soccer that will have no funding
Well, you say that, taxpayer....
- State Schools who are "just complying with Federal law"
Posted on 5/6/21 at 8:48 pm to meansonny
On the plus side, watching kids and their parents get hit with huge breach of contract lawsuits for leaving a team will be fun to watch. fricking over a school is one thing - fricking over a business that paid you a bunch of money and decides it wants it back? That's something very, very different.
Posted on 5/7/21 at 6:18 am to meansonny
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It is a league of NBA practice squad players (2 way), NBA waived players (NBA affilate), local tryout players (4 year college players), G League drafted players (nba veterans, international professionals, undrafted rookies), and Draft'n'stash (NBA draftees put into their minor league affiliate).
Now there are players in it who are signed directly out of high school before they are eligible for the draft.
Posted on 5/7/21 at 10:37 am to Crowknowsbest
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If Georgia and Florida’s rosters are populated by a bunch of 5’10”, 170 lb dudes running 4.9 40s, no one is watching.
I disagree with this. I think the WLOCP would still put 80,000 in the stands and the tailgating scene would be just as massive.
Posted on 5/7/21 at 1:40 pm to WG_Dawg
So it's just brining all the underground shite to light without having to suspend a player for four games for selling a jersey
Posted on 5/7/21 at 1:48 pm to VADawg
If the top 250 Hs Graduate football players were taken out of circulation each year and went direct to some semi-pro developmental league, there would be no change in college football from a fan standpoint most likely. What would affect them is if the natural dispersement of talent was somehow significantly disturbed in College football. What would be interesting is if the chances of playing NFL dropped by going the college route, would people who played college football be more likely to choose a school for an education than say Bama?
Posted on 5/7/21 at 4:20 pm to BranchDawg
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The portal is where 90% of CFB’s problems lie now.
It seems like these are branches from the same tree: empowering the individual at the expense of the school/team.
There's something about the nameless jerseys and that kind of spirit that helps differentiate college football from the NFL.
Anyways, I'm just getting old and am sad to see the sport changing, even in the subtlest of ways.
This post was edited on 5/7/21 at 4:21 pm
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