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re: Georgia's Name, Image, and Likeness bill signed into law by Brian Kemp
Posted on 5/6/21 at 11:05 am to meansonny
Posted on 5/6/21 at 11:05 am to meansonny
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Trust me. Amateurism is different for a reason. It isnt the best players in football (not in the nfl). It is the best amateurs in football.
My man, if amateurism is your bag then might interest you in an Ivy League or DIII program. Because, otherwise, amateurism died out a long time ago. The only amateurs playing at the University of Georgia right now are the walk ons you’ve never heard of.
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Posted on 5/6/21 at 11:13 am to tylerdurden24
Does it not go hand in hand with the transfer portal? Small schools best players waiting in line to transfer to a school that pays
Posted on 5/6/21 at 11:17 am to Buddy2012
I think it can exacerbate the problems with the transfer portal in that a naive 19 year old will think if he hits the portal, he can go to Georgia and not only start but also make bank signing ad deals. Only to find out no top P5 is all that interested and his spot at his previous school is now gone.
The portal sucks as it is but I don’t see it staying that way for long; the powers that be are going to be forced to regulate it as a result of outcry from coaches and ADs and the players are going to see too many of their friends and teammates get screwed as opposed to benefit. The novelty will wear off, it’s just a pain in the arse for now
The portal sucks as it is but I don’t see it staying that way for long; the powers that be are going to be forced to regulate it as a result of outcry from coaches and ADs and the players are going to see too many of their friends and teammates get screwed as opposed to benefit. The novelty will wear off, it’s just a pain in the arse for now
Posted on 5/6/21 at 11:35 am to tylerdurden24
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My man, if amateurism is your bag then might interest you in an Ivy League or DIII program. Because, otherwise, amateurism died out a long time ago. The only amateurs playing at the University of Georgia right now are the walk ons you’ve never heard of.
I agree to disagree.
Practice squads of 25+ year olds would knock the snot out of UGA.
Why?
Amateurism
Posted on 5/6/21 at 11:39 am to meansonny
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Amateurism
A concept created by old men to take advantage of young men.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 11:44 am to tylerdurden24
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Cool. Roughly 21 weeks in a season, that’s about $1700 a post. Sign here, here’s the contact of our PR rep and they will work with you on building what your daily posts need to say, promote, how they should look, and when you should post them. There is a clause in your contract that says if you damage your public image in any way (I.e. get arrested) that we can terminate the deal at any time. We will send you a tax form in January. Glad to have you part of our team!
Again, i think you are making my point.
The player just hands over his name and the marketing agency does all of his posts for him. Paycheck.
And as for taxes, the barbershop will have a resident CPA as part of the recruiting pitch by the school (assuming the financial planner/sports agent hasnt already packaged that aspect for the 18 year old).
Posted on 5/6/21 at 11:44 am to meansonny
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Practice squads of 25+ year olds would knock the snot out of UGA.
Because they’re 25.
European soccer has professional leagues dedicated for younger players. Why couldn’t college football also have an age/enrollment limitation?
Posted on 5/6/21 at 11:46 am to Crowknowsbest
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Amateurism
A concept created by old men to take advantage of young men
I promise you that old men would gladly play for UGA if the rules didnt limit eligibility. And i promise you that UGA would gladly take that 28 year old QB.
Too many people get into their feelings over the word amateurism. But without it, this wouldnt be college football. There would be absolutely zero hope for 18 and 19 year olds to see the field.
This isnt rocket surgery.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 11:48 am to meansonny
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Too many people get into their feelings over the word amateurism. But without it, this wouldnt be college football. There would be absolutely zero hope for 18 and 19 year olds to see the field.
This isnt rocket surgery.
There is no age limitation on college football. If someone wants to delay enrollment so they can play college football at 28, they already can. Chris Weinke and Brandon Weeden already did.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 11:49 am to Crowknowsbest
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European soccer has professional leagues dedicated for younger players
There are amateur leagues.
And professional leagues.
Im aware of amateur leagues that offer room/housing much in the same fashion as college. And they limit the age of participation.
Im not aware of professional leagues that limit ages. But if that is a thing... why hasnt it happened in american football? Free country and free enterprise and all. Buy the talent and make it happen.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 11:50 am to meansonny
Like NFL practice squads? Yeah, because they have an advantage of having already spent - full 3-4 years in college strength and football programs working on their craft. That’s like saying a high school graduate tends to be smarter than a high school freshman.
Whether or not they operated under an actual amateurism model in college or operated under the professional model we’ve been erroneously calling amateurism (to avoid having to pay players) for the past century is irrelevant.
A better comparison is UGA would beat the shite out of Harvard in football. Why? Amateurism. Our top flight recruits were offered a scholarship and premier coaching opportunity to come here. The guys at Harvard May have played in high school but chose that school for academic and career advancement opportunities but play football simply because they want to and not because it has anything to do with their academic opportunity or advancement. THAT is amateurism
And let me correct myself on something I said earlier: amateur athletes at UGA aren’t just the walk ons playing football. It’s also the cross country runners, most of the baseball team, etc who play despite receiving no financial aid because of Title IX or sport-specific limitations. But, yeah, in football amateurism is virtually non existent.
Whether or not they operated under an actual amateurism model in college or operated under the professional model we’ve been erroneously calling amateurism (to avoid having to pay players) for the past century is irrelevant.
A better comparison is UGA would beat the shite out of Harvard in football. Why? Amateurism. Our top flight recruits were offered a scholarship and premier coaching opportunity to come here. The guys at Harvard May have played in high school but chose that school for academic and career advancement opportunities but play football simply because they want to and not because it has anything to do with their academic opportunity or advancement. THAT is amateurism
And let me correct myself on something I said earlier: amateur athletes at UGA aren’t just the walk ons playing football. It’s also the cross country runners, most of the baseball team, etc who play despite receiving no financial aid because of Title IX or sport-specific limitations. But, yeah, in football amateurism is virtually non existent.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 11:51 am to Crowknowsbest
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There is no age limitation on college football. If someone wants to delay enrollment so they can play college football at 28, they already can. Chris Weinke and Brandon Weeden already did.
Agreed. But there is rules on the application of this. Dont you agree?
Outside of mission trips, military service, and minor league non-affiliated sports, i dont know of anyone eligible for college football.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 11:52 am to meansonny
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why hasnt it happened in american football?
Because college football has had the opportunity to develop into a behemoth without having to pay its labor, the startup costs for an independent league to compete with it are prohibitively high, and the NFL has no incentive to create a developmental league of its own because college football exists.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 11:53 am to meansonny
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Outside of mission trips, military service, and minor league non-affiliated sports, i dont know of anyone eligible for college football.
Other people would be eligible if they waited until they were 24 to go to college and start their eligibility clock.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 11:55 am to meansonny
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Im aware of amateur leagues that offer room/housing much in the same fashion as college. And they limit the age of participation.
European soccer is not amateur at any level, to my knowledge. The family gets a signing bonus beyond just room and board.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 11:57 am to meansonny
There is no age restriction on college football eligibility. I could walk out the door today, enroll at UGA, and try out for the team. I wouldn’t make it, let alone play a snap and not because of my age but because 18 year olds who are at their physical peak and have just finished playing 4 years in high school are going to outclass me by miles.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 11:58 am to Crowknowsbest
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Because college football has had the opportunity to develop into a behemoth without having to pay its labor,
College football compensates players greater than any semipro ball. You know that. Average reimbursement is $2700/month. And that is before training, facilities, etc..
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NFL has no incentive to create a developmental league of its own because college football exists.
That is half of it.
The other half is protecting the brand/NFL shield. Every transgression by an nfl player affects the brand. Increase that to a minor league system of 18 year olds, and they dont want to have to worry/protect young people with money as it relates to bad press.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 11:59 am to tylerdurden24
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There is no age restriction on college football eligibility
5 years from high school.
As has been said, there are exceptions.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 11:59 am to tylerdurden24
Amateurism has nothing to do with age, really. It was created, or at least was promoted as dignified, so people who ran athletic contests didn’t have to pay the winners.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 12:01 pm to meansonny
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5 years from high school.
Pretty sure that isn’t the case. Even then, you could delay finishing high school.
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