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re: Georgia's Name, Image, and Likeness bill signed into law by Brian Kemp
Posted on 5/6/21 at 12:01 pm to meansonny
Posted on 5/6/21 at 12:01 pm to meansonny
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Again, i think you are making my point.
The player just hands over his name and the marketing agency does all of his posts for him. Paycheck.
And in exchange the player gives up a part of his brand identity, has to keep his record clean, likely signs a non compete clause (can’t advertise for a competing business), and has to pay taxes on the income. There’s opportunity cost in everything, including this.
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And as for taxes, the barbershop will have a resident CPA as part of the recruiting pitch by the school (assuming the financial planner/sports agent hasnt already packaged that aspect for the 18 year old).
I mean cool? Still gotta write the check (especially if making north of $200k) and pay the agent/financial planner for managing the savings account. Or the player can learn to file his own taxes and save some additional costs in the process.
Either way, look at the marvelous entrepreneurial learning opportunity that now exists for a college student that, heretofore, wasn’t possible and think about how that better equips guys going into a league like the NFL where the stories of poor financial decision making, being taken advantage of, and general financial illiteracy have been prevalent for decades.
This post was edited on 5/6/21 at 12:07 pm
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Posted on 5/6/21 at 12:02 pm to Crowknowsbest
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Even then, you could delay finishing high school.
It happens. Brooks Austin is commenting about how many 19 year olds are finishing high school and enrolling as freshmen in college.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 12:02 pm to meansonny
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College football compensates players greater than any semipro ball.
It compensates most players more than what they are worth. For a small minority, they are worth much, much more than a scholarship.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 12:08 pm to tylerdurden24
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And in exchange the player gives up a part of his brand identity
Not exactly.
When someone pays you to promote your brand, you are increasing it at the same time with the extra exposure.
MJ23 didnt give up his brand with nike. He enhanced it.
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has to keep his record clean
Somewhat. Depends on the brand. The kardashians believe any press is good press. The NFL disagrees.
Barkley branded himself as "not a role model".
quote:um. So business is business. Lol. Great point (more adults making money off the backs of 18 year olds).
mean cool? Still gotta write the check (especially if making north of $200k) and pay the agent/financial planner for managing the savings account
quote:i dont know why this made me chuckle.
Or the player can learn to file his own taxes and save some additional costs in the process
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Either way, look at the marvelous entrepreneurial learning opportunity that now exists for a college student that, heretofore, wasn’t possible
My first post on the topic is that i want people to be able to go out and earn what they can.
I just dread the unintended consequences.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 12:09 pm to Crowknowsbest
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For a small minority, they are worth much, much more than a scholarship
1000% disagree with this.
Remove the university and no one cares.
You know that is true.
How much does the hartman fund require to watch these same kids in high school? How many hotels and restaurants in these high school towns boon on friday night because the fans of the player come to see the action?
I will hang up and listen
This post was edited on 5/6/21 at 12:12 pm
Posted on 5/6/21 at 12:20 pm to meansonny
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MJ23 didnt give up his brand with nike. He enhanced it
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The kardashians believe any press is good press. The NFL disagrees.
Barkley branded himself as "not a role model".
Which works for people who aren’t 18 years old and already have some brand identity before those deals. We all knew who Barkley and MJ were before they signed endorsement deals. The Kardashians were famous around LA dating back to their dad running around with OJ. Recruitniks like most on this board will know about these kids before they arrive on campus but the average person won’t.
As a negative identity goes, I can look past George Pickens doing dumb immature stuff but that doesn’t mean the casual viewer and consumer will and many businesses aren’t going to pay a college player $250k to give them bad press.
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um. So business is business. Lol. Great point (more adults making money off the backs of 18 year olds).
I took your point to mean they’ll cater to players even further by offering CPA services in house (honesty don’t know that that will be allowed but let’s assume it is). My point was students will have to learn how to do grown up business shite if they want to engage in grown up business practices, regardless of the motivations of the people engaging them in these opportunities.
quote:the thought of any college student doing taxes (and actually having to pay taxes) is funny but then these haven’t been normal college students for decades now.
i dont know why this made me chuckle.
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My first post on the topic is that i want people to be able to go out and earn what they can.
I just dread the unintended consequences.
And I agree that there will be unintended consequences (specifically those I highlighted back in the first page of this thread). But I also believe the benefit to the students far outweighs those likely downsides that come with new opportunity. And I certainly don’t think it means the end of college Athletics as we know it (that will come about as a result of further conference realignment and playoff expansion)
Posted on 5/6/21 at 12:22 pm to meansonny
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How much does the hartman fund require to watch these same kids in high school? How many hotels and restaurants in these high school towns boon on friday night because the fans of the player come to see the action?
I bet Nike would have a different opinion regarding a Todd Gurley or AJ Green.
shite, IMG already shells out a bunch of money to build relationships with standouts in high school through their Academy.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 12:31 pm to meansonny
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1000% disagree with this.
Remove the university and no one cares.
You know that is true.
How much does the hartman fund require to watch these same kids in high school? How many hotels and restaurants in these high school towns boon on friday night because the fans of the player come to see the action?
I will hang up and listen
Kind of an apples to oranges comparison, especially since there is no defined NFL minor league (only college football). They have virtually no choice but to go to college to then advance to to the NFL so, of course, the school helps make the player because al the talent in the sport is going to that same level and often playing on the same fields against the same opponents. High school football is a mish mash of talent spread out over thousands of teams compared to better talent spread out over a few dozen P5 programs at the college level.
Better comparison is in baseball where high schoolers can either go straight to the MLB or to college. Even as an avid college baseball fan, I’m not so naive as to think that people care more about college teams and players than who a pro team is scouting in high school and who is in their minor league system. It’s absolutely the other way around.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 12:51 pm to tylerdurden24
I'm one of the crotchety old bastards that thinks the NFL should create a minor league and we can return CFB back toward more amateurism.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 12:51 pm to deeprig9
Also, I'm finally getting around to watching Last Chance U. I'm on the final season (for FB). Good stuff. Sad too.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 12:54 pm to deeprig9
Honestly, I wouldn’t be opposed. We are just long past the point of no return; no financial reason or incentive for that to ever happen.
Last Chance U is both great and sad on a number of levels. I’ve rewatched the first season a few times now.
Last Chance U is both great and sad on a number of levels. I’ve rewatched the first season a few times now.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 12:56 pm to Crowknowsbest
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I bet Nike would have a different opinion regarding a Todd Gurley or AJ Green
Nike isnt giving gurley or aj green money if they opt out and play semipro football. I have no clue what your point is. Nike didnt give jamie newman anything this past year and he was "a prospective first rounder". How many other opt outs had nike endorsements?
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shite, IMG already shells out a bunch of money to build relationships with standouts in high school through their Academy.
A bunch of parents shell out a ton of money to IMG to have their kids practice and play against the best in the country. In addition to the training/competition, they know colleges will see their kids perform.
The rich parents fund the scholarships and recruiting for the best athletes. It is a concept that has been around for decades (starting as a tennis academy). Again, im not sure your point?
Posted on 5/6/21 at 12:59 pm to tylerdurden24
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Kind of an apples to oranges comparison, especially since there is no defined NFL minor league (only college football). They have virtually no choice but to go to college to then advance to to the NFL so, of course, the school helps make the player because al the talent in the sport is going to that same level and often playing on the same fields against the same opponents. High school football is a mish mash of talent spread out over thousands of teams compared to better talent spread out over a few dozen P5 programs at the college level
Disagree.
Minor league football fails because no one gives a shite.
College football succeeds because of the university colors, rivalries, and built in fanbase (alumni and college town).
No one is spending the money to see a player. Hell, fans hate on the justin fields, brenton coxes, and jaime newmans who dont play for their university. It isnt about the athletes and names on the back of the jerseys. 100% about the colors and name of the university.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 1:02 pm to tylerdurden24
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i dont know why this made me chuckle.
the thought of any college student doing taxes (and actually having to pay taxes) is funny but then these haven’t been normal college students for decades now.
I can fill in all the paperwork and tell you to sign here and you just prepared your own taxes. No exchange of money or benefits. Happens more than you think.
And the entire point of a sports agency is to give you the agent, financial planner, cpa, and social media company all in one package. As i said, kirby is about to pucker up.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 1:05 pm to meansonny
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Minor league football fails because no one gives a shite.
To my knowledge, there has never been an NFL-recognized minor league other than the relationship that exists with colleges (there’s never been a reason to have one as the NFL is concerned). So seems a little premature to assume that one would fail or why.
quote:Yeah it succeeds in some large part because of those things but we aren’t out there cheering for a team that sucks or for the walk on riding the bench. The players matter too. Most can and do love college football for both reasons, they’re not mutually exclusive.
College football succeeds because of the university colors, rivalries, and built in fanbase (alumni and college town).
No one is spending the money to see a player.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 1:13 pm to meansonny
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100% about the colors and name of the university.
Is it? If there aren’t future NFL players on the field, do you think John Doe from Seattle is tuning in to watch Georgia play Florida?
Posted on 5/6/21 at 1:19 pm to meansonny
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Nike isnt giving gurley or aj green money if they opt out and play semipro football.
I mean they might. We don’t know that. Nike and Adidas dish out a lot of money in basketball under the table just to get kids to a school their brand controls. I’m not sure why they wouldn’t sponsor a Trevor Lawrence heading into his sophomore year at Clemson.
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Nike didnt give jamie newman anything this past year and he was "a prospective first rounder".
Jamie Newman is not in the small minority I’m talking about. Regardless, I’m sure an agent paid his living expenses after opting out.
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The rich parents fund the scholarships and recruiting for the best athletes. It is a concept that has been around for decades (starting as a tennis academy). Again, im not sure your point?
Those rich parents would pay for their kids to go there with half the amount of 5*s on campus and/or if their kid was on the JV team, and IMG could pocket the difference. Instead they pay for more athletes to go there because they want that relationship.
The fact that the market for an IMG Academy even exists should tell you a lot about the preposterousness of amateur sports in 2021.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 1:31 pm to tylerdurden24
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To my knowledge, there has never been an NFL-recognized minor league other than the relationship that exists with colleges (there’s never been a reason to have one as the NFL is concerned). So seems a little premature to assume that one would fail or why.
You have it backwards. Every non nfl/afl league have failed.
It is premature to assume that one wouldnt fail.
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Yeah it succeeds in some large part because of those things but we aren’t out there cheering for a team that sucks or for the walk on riding the bench. The players matter too. Most can and do love college football for both reasons, they’re not mutually exclusive.
There are 73713 college football players who rotate through every 3 to 5 years.
I cant express enough how it isnt the players and it is the universities/alumni/towns that drive the sport.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 1:34 pm to Crowknowsbest
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Is it? If there aren’t future NFL players on the field, do you think John Doe from Seattle is tuning in to watch Georgia play Florida
John Doe from seattle is tuning in to watch Georgia because dawgnation is everywhere (or he is gatornation. Or the winner affects whatever nation he is affiliated with).
He isnt tuning in to see jamie newman, justin fields, cade mays, otis reese, divaad wilson, etc..
Posted on 5/6/21 at 1:40 pm to meansonny
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John Doe from seattle is tuning in to watch Georgia because dawgnation is everywhere (or he is gatornation. Or the winner affects whatever nation he is affiliated with).
He isnt tuning in to see jamie newman, justin fields, cade mays, otis reese, divaad wilson, etc..
I very strongly disagree. If Georgia and Florida’s rosters are populated by a bunch of 5’10”, 170 lb dudes running 4.9 40s, no one is watching.
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