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Genuine Question - On Campus Development

Posted on 3/5/21 at 1:46 pm
Posted by Dawg4Life
South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
462 posts
Posted on 3/5/21 at 1:46 pm
Hey guys. Before I get 900 downvotes for asking this, I had a genuine question. So a talking point dating all the way back to richt was we recruit well but development doesn’t really happen on campus.

There have been many talks with Kirby and his messaging to kids around the nfl is you need to be a top rounder for guaranteed money and to gun for the second contract. He also mentions that in the nfl, you aren’t coddled or developed like you are in college. You are expected to deliver immediately and probably only naturally develop some from completion, conditioning, age, etc

With all of that non development in the league, we sure do still seem to see a lot of guys hit another gear after us. Usually less heralded guys. The examples are plenty but (again at ease) do we think that even the positioned message of lesser development being countered by how many guys found clearly that next gear factors into our heavy early departures? If they tend to develop less in the nfl, why do so many hit the gear with by all accounts less coaching?
This post was edited on 3/5/21 at 1:48 pm
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
63752 posts
Posted on 3/5/21 at 1:55 pm to
1. Give me a few examples of mediocre nobodies at UGA that turned out to have 2-contract careers in the NFL. Please, if you have the time.

2. Not having to go to school and not having limited NCAA mandated hours training/practicing/coaching is another reason a guy can get better in the NFL.

3. First downvote.
Posted by BeefDawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
4747 posts
Posted on 3/5/21 at 2:54 pm to
Aside from David Andrews, is there a guy on here who was sub-optimal at UGA that has exceeded expectations in the NFL?

I don’t really see it.

David Andrews New England Patriots Center
Davin Bellamy Tennessee Titans Linebacker
Rodrigo Blankenship Indianapolis Colts Place kicker
Lawrence Cager New York Jets Wide Receiver
Nick Chubb Cleveland Browns Running Back
Tyler Clark Kansas City Chiefs Defensive End
Chris Conley Jacksonville Jaguars Wide Receiver
Tae Crowder New York Giants Linebacker
Reggie Davis Chicago Bears Wide Receiver
Leonard Floyd Los Angeles Rams Linebacker
Jake Fromm Buffalo Bills Quarterback
Lamont Gaillard Arizona Cardinals Center
Terry Godwin Jacksonville Jaguars Wide Receiver
A.J. Green Cincinnati Bengals Wide Receiver
Todd Gurley II Atlanta Falcons Running Back
Mecole Hardman Kansas City Chiefs Wide Receiver
Justin Houston Indianapolis Colts Defensive End
John Jenkins Chicago Bears Defensive Tackle
Ben Jones Tennessee Titans Center
Solomon Kindley Miami Dolphins Guard
Tyrique McGhee Los Angeles Rams Cornerback
Isaiah McKenzie Buffalo Bills Wide Receiver
Sony Michel New England Patriots Running Back
Isaac Nauta Green Bay Packers Tight End
Cameron Nizialek Jacksonville Jaguars Punter
Natrez Patrick Denver Broncos Linebacker
J.R. Reed Los Angeles Rams Safety
Riley Ridley Chicago Bears Wide Receiver
Maurice Smith Tennessee Titans Safety
Roquan Smith Chicago Bears Linebacker
Matthew Stafford Los Angeles Rams Quarterback
D'Andre Swift Detroit Lions Running Back
Andrew Thomas New York Giants Offensive Tackle
Shawn Williams Cincinnati Bengals Safety
Javon Wims Chicago Bears Wide Receiver
Charlie Woerner San Francisco 49ers Tight End
Posted by Dawg4Life
South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
462 posts
Posted on 3/5/21 at 3:06 pm to
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1. Give me a few examples of mediocre nobodies at UGA that turned out to have 2-contract careers in the NFL. Please, if you have the time.


Petty. The lowest hanging fruit that you can go to is geno Atkins. He made all sec first as a sophomore (great) and the showed up one more time second team as a senior. I suspect you didn’t expect him with 8 x pro bowl 2 x nfl first team 1 x second team and on the all decades team. For your digesting pleasure though. Ben Jones, reshad Jones, frigin Justin houston.

Hitting another gear doesn’t mean all pro either. Did you imagine Jordan Jenkins to still be earning contracts this far down the road. Etc.
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
25484 posts
Posted on 3/5/21 at 3:24 pm to
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Aside from David Andrews, is there a guy on here who was sub-optimal at UGA that has exceeded expectations in the NFL?


Was Boss Andrews sub-optimal at UGA?
He was voted offensive mvp on the team in 2013.
Voted team mvp in 2014.
2nd team all conference 2014
Finalist for the rimington trophy 2014 (top 6 centers in the country).

There was nothing sub-optimal about Andrews at UGA. His draft stock came from his measurables (height, weight, build, speed, explosiveness, and bench).
Posted by IT_Dawg
Georgia
Member since Oct 2012
21689 posts
Posted on 3/5/21 at 3:53 pm to
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The lowest hanging fruit that you can go to is geno Atkins

Dude had 33 sacks in 3 years and played in the SEC with some of the best DTs around. You can go frick yourself if you didn’t think he was great at UGA

Coming out of HS, he was ranked 24th DT by Rivals and 41st by Scout...a 3 star. He was 2nd team all-sec behind Cody and Williams his Sr. year, and drafted like 10th DT. So he went from 41st DT out of HS to an NFL draftee....frick. Our coaches suck at On Campus Development

And that was your lowest hanging fruit??? Whose next...AJ Green because we developed him into First Team All-Craigslister instead of an All American WR?

Go check out this thread on how shitty our development was with Eric Stokes - LINK
Almost a 2 star kid about to be a 2nd round draft pick
This post was edited on 3/5/21 at 4:26 pm
Posted by dallasga6
Scrap Metal Magnate...
Member since Mar 2009
25651 posts
Posted on 3/5/21 at 4:06 pm to
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You can go frick yourself if you didn’t think he was great at UGA


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Posted by Crowknowsbest
Member since May 2012
25869 posts
Posted on 3/5/21 at 5:10 pm to
quote:

There have been many talks with Kirby and his messaging to kids around the nfl is you need to be a top rounder for guaranteed money and to gun for the second contract. He also mentions that in the nfl, you aren’t coddled or developed like you are in college.

I think he means this more in terms of NFL teams not wasting roster spots on projects who need to develop before they play (exception being QBs). The guys that stick obviously keep developing once they get there. You just have to be good enough to stick when you arrive.
This post was edited on 3/5/21 at 5:13 pm
Posted by AlaCowboy
North Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
6938 posts
Posted on 3/5/21 at 5:12 pm to
quote:

With all of that non development in the league, we sure do still seem to see a lot of guys hit another gear after us.


Development occurs over time. A 2017 lower 4* may well develop into a 3rd round draft choice by 2020, and all his cumulative playing experience gel into another gear in the NFL and makes all-pro by 2023.
Posted by AlaCowboy
North Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
6938 posts
Posted on 3/5/21 at 5:15 pm to
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I think he means this more in terms of NFL teams not wasting roster spots on projects who need to develop before they play (exception being QBs).


Plenty of 6th and 7th rounders were picked as projects.
Posted by Dawg4Life
South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
462 posts
Posted on 3/5/21 at 5:19 pm to
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You can go frick yourself if you didn’t think he was great at UGA


Your inner duche is really showing. I literally took extra effort to type everyone don’t freak out like 2 times in the post just for tools like you and you still can’t help yourself. Your just a confrontational arse person clearly so fricking step dude.

And I didn’t say anywhere Geno sucked so don’t put words in my mouth. I said he hit another gear. Which you can clearly agree with as the 4th round draft pick is an all decade team in the nfl. Yes those do not equate. Go frick yourself you bum
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
63752 posts
Posted on 3/5/21 at 5:25 pm to
David Andrews was not sub-optimal, he was a badass here. Not sure your point, Mr Beefdawg.
Posted by Crowknowsbest
Member since May 2012
25869 posts
Posted on 3/5/21 at 5:26 pm to
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Plenty of 6th and 7th rounders were picked as projects.

Maybe as position players, but you can’t stay on a roster if you can’t help immediately on special teams or as a backup. That player may be a “project” in that the team hopes they develop into something more than that.
This post was edited on 3/5/21 at 5:28 pm
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
63752 posts
Posted on 3/5/21 at 5:27 pm to
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Your inner duche is really showing. I literally took extra effort to type everyone don’t freak out like 2 times in the post just for tools like you and you still can’t help yourself. Your just a confrontational arse person clearly so fricking step dude.

And I didn’t say anywhere Geno sucked so don’t put words in my mouth. I said he hit another gear. Which you can clearly agree with as the 4th round draft pick is an all decade team in the nfl. Yes those do not equate. Go frick yourself you bum


This might not be the right UGA board for you.
Posted by Dawg4Life
South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
462 posts
Posted on 3/5/21 at 5:35 pm to
quote:

This might not be the right UGA board for you.


It was a moment of weakness. Rookie move
Posted by Barstools
Atlanta
Member since Jan 2016
9400 posts
Posted on 3/5/21 at 5:42 pm to
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Aside from David Andrews...sub-optimal


Andrews played in over 50 games at UGA including 10 his freshman year and started every game his Jr and Sr seasons. He was a Remington finalist and offensive MVP his jr/sr years.

I mean, sure, optimally he would have started every game he was eligible and would have been x4 NCAA all american but I'm not sure sub optimal describes his career at UGA.
This post was edited on 3/5/21 at 5:46 pm
Posted by BeefDawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
4747 posts
Posted on 3/5/21 at 5:53 pm to
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David Andrews was not sub-optimal, he was a badass here. Not sure your point, Mr Beefdawg.
I wasn’t trying to get anyone bent out of shape. Was more along the lines of him vastly outplaying his measurables and draft stock.

I mean going from 2nd team all conference and undrafted to starting for the Pats, beating out a pro bowl center, going to 3 SB’s and winning 2 is kind of a stark difference. No?

We can call him a badass while at UGA, which I agree, but we’re a little biased, too. He wasn’t recognized nationally as “optimal”. And to act like he was is absurd.
Posted by Barstools
Atlanta
Member since Jan 2016
9400 posts
Posted on 3/5/21 at 5:57 pm to
quote:

He wasn’t recognized nationally as “optimal”.


Except for when he was voted as a Remington finalist which is the best center in the nation.

Sorry, your definition of optimal is broken. In this day in age it's optimal to get two solid years out of a player. We got 4 out of Andrews. He was not sub-optimal
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And to act like he was is absurd.
This post was edited on 3/5/21 at 6:00 pm
Posted by BeefDawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
4747 posts
Posted on 3/5/21 at 6:23 pm to
Gezuz frick you guys are obnoxiously sensitive about the stupidest shite.
Posted by IT_Dawg
Georgia
Member since Oct 2012
21689 posts
Posted on 3/5/21 at 7:57 pm to
quote:

Your inner duche is really showing

Duche:noun: the territory of a duke or duchess;

Thanks! I do feel like a Duke around these parts

quote:

I literally took extra effort to type everyone don’t freak out like 2 times in the post

Hahaha. Pussy.
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just for tools like you and you still can’t help yourself. Your just a confrontational arse person clearly so fricking step dude.


quote:

I said he hit another gear. Which you can clearly agree with as the 4th round draft pick is an all decade team in the nfl.

Yea, but you started with:
quote:

So a talking point dating all the way back to richt was we recruit well but development doesn’t really happen on campus

Then brought up a 3star guy that went from 41st DT in his High School class, to a 2 time allSEC team guy, that got drafted in the NFL, who played in the first game in NFL and by seasons end was a starter.

And yea, I was pretty sure Jordan Jenkins would still be in the NFL after 5 years. He was a great OLB that was always flying to the ball and getting TFLs. He was drafted in the 3rd round.

I’m not really sure what you are trying to get at here, but so far, all your examples are huge piles of shite and show that we have developed kids at UGA and put them in position to be great at the next level.

Anyway, you sound like you know nothing about football and prefer sex with men over women.
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