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re: Fromm's night
Posted on 9/3/19 at 1:41 pm to crispyUGA
Posted on 9/3/19 at 1:41 pm to crispyUGA
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Fromm had a deep pass called back due to a penalty
There was no holding on the deep pass. I'm thinking somebody on that crew decided they needed to slow things down because there was nothing that resembled a hold.
ESPN had plenty of time to show a replay, but decided not to draw attention to that bogus call. That's their editorial privilege showing. You can get a good idea of how ESPN would like the game to go by observing what they do or don't show after the play is over.
This post was edited on 9/3/19 at 1:51 pm
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Posted on 9/3/19 at 2:35 pm to wdhalgren
Fromm isn't as good as either Fields or Eason, it's not even a debate anymore. Obviously Fromm's my guy so I'm riding with him no matter what but let's call a spade a spade. If we'd given the ball to Fields, we would have a more dangerous offense but since Kirby loves to play it safe and never take any chances on offense, we have Fromm.
Posted on 9/3/19 at 2:46 pm to crispyUGA
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Y’all mother frickers need Jesus. Fromm had a deep pass called back due to a penalty, a pass to the end zone that probably should have been caught, and another pass to the goal line that one of our own players tipped that would have at least been a completion (if not a TD) to an open Pickens. The game was never in doubt and the plays were called like it. Sure, there was a little first-game rust but shut the frick with the chicken little shite, y’all.
Exactly.
Posted on 9/3/19 at 2:51 pm to jodeaux
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Fromm isn't as good as either Fields or Eason, it's not even a debate anymore. Obviously Fromm's my guy so I'm riding with him no matter what but let's call a spade a spade. If we'd given the ball to Fields, we would have a more dangerous offense but since Kirby loves to play it safe and never take any chances on offense, we have Fromm.
We don't run the offense for Fields. Not a fair comparison.
Fromm barely missed on two whole throws all game, and he made a grand total of zero bad decisions. He is a better QB for this team than either Eason or Fields.
I understand that overreacting to the positive isn't healthy, but neither is the doom and gloom.
Two things are going to happen:
1. Pickens will settle in and turn some of those targets into positive plays.
2. White and Cook will get more of BHs touches and turn targets into positive plays.
This team is fine. That game was good for UGA.
This post was edited on 9/3/19 at 2:52 pm
Posted on 9/3/19 at 4:39 pm to jodeaux
Fields and Eason will look great against most of the teams in their schedule. But if they play an elite defense they won’t have a chance. They won’t be able to just scamper for a first or throw to a wide open receiver.
Fromm wasn’t the reason we lost to Bama the last two times.
Fromm wasn’t the reason we lost to Bama the last two times.
This post was edited on 9/3/19 at 4:41 pm
Posted on 9/3/19 at 5:46 pm to SquatchDawg
I see your point and I'll concede that Fromm is probably the best choice for THIS offense over Fields but good coaches always take the most talented players and build a system around their skill set.
Good programs value talent first over system and I think we did the opposite with Fromm.
In any sport the best coaches and greatest programs go after the best talents and then figure out a scheme later. I always think about what Gregg Popvich does with the Spurs. Early on when Duncan was young they were a post team, then when the rules changed and the league became more versatile he got guys who could shoot 3's and defend and ditched being a team centered on Duncan as he aged.
You DO NOT let a talent like Fields walk. What you do is make the tough decision to bench the less talented kid and then center the offense around what Fields can do.
Trevor Lawrence is a different player than Kelly Bryant but is overall more talented. Dabo quickly recognized it and made a change when he needed to, early on in the season to let the more talented kid get snaps in preparation for tougher games. That paid off, we'll see if Kirby made the right decision I guess.
Good programs value talent first over system and I think we did the opposite with Fromm.
In any sport the best coaches and greatest programs go after the best talents and then figure out a scheme later. I always think about what Gregg Popvich does with the Spurs. Early on when Duncan was young they were a post team, then when the rules changed and the league became more versatile he got guys who could shoot 3's and defend and ditched being a team centered on Duncan as he aged.
You DO NOT let a talent like Fields walk. What you do is make the tough decision to bench the less talented kid and then center the offense around what Fields can do.
Trevor Lawrence is a different player than Kelly Bryant but is overall more talented. Dabo quickly recognized it and made a change when he needed to, early on in the season to let the more talented kid get snaps in preparation for tougher games. That paid off, we'll see if Kirby made the right decision I guess.
Posted on 9/3/19 at 6:12 pm to jodeaux
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Trevor Lawrence is a different player than Kelly Bryant but is overall more talented. Dabo quickly recognized it and made a change when he needed to, early on in the season to let the more talented kid get snaps in preparation for tougher games. That paid off, we'll see if Kirby made the right decision I guess.
1. Kelly Bryant isn't as good as Fromm. Period.
2. Lawrence got the nod because they were having trouble with winnable games with Bryant at QB. They weren't maximizing the talent they had at receiver, and KB wasn't getting better. He would not have unseated Fromm.
Posted on 9/3/19 at 7:20 pm to jodeaux
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but good coaches always take the most talented players and build a system around their skill set.
Great coaches don't.
Posted on 9/3/19 at 7:59 pm to jodeaux
Were you high went you wrote this? Serious question.
Posted on 9/3/19 at 8:41 pm to jodeaux
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You DO NOT let a talent like Fields walk. What you do is make the tough decision to bench the less talented kid and then center the offense around what Fields can do.
This is a very odd take. We didn't "let Fields walk". He left, on his own.
We were 90 seconds away from a return trip to the CFP. Beating the "unbeatable" (as it was thought at the time) Aladambama. I don't think we are in that position if we conceded the QB job to Fields.
And TL is a generational talent. Period.
As far as Eason goes....please
Posted on 9/3/19 at 9:00 pm to WorkinDawg
It's not worth arguing with some people. Their minds are broken. It's like the people who were pissed that Richt was fired because Eason might not come here now.
Posted on 9/4/19 at 7:47 am to jodeaux
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jodeaux
Posted on 9/4/19 at 9:34 am to WorkinDawg
We let him walk when we didn't give him the ball after the LSU game last year. We all knew last year's team wasn't quite championship caliber, so we should've made the tough choice to bench Fromm for someone with a higher ceiling.
Alabama barely beats us, that extra dimension we need could come from a dual threat QB right? That's essentially the only difference between Alabama and Georgia right now. They have QB's that can make things happen with their feet and we don't. That makes them just a LITTLE bit better, a little more dangerous and we don't have that. I wish we did because there's going to be a moment this year where it's 3rd and 7, Fromm is back there and we get blitzed and the kid won't be able to get outside the pocket to make a play. He'll either have to throw it away or get sacked.
It's in these moments we'll wish we had an athlete back there.
Alabama barely beats us, that extra dimension we need could come from a dual threat QB right? That's essentially the only difference between Alabama and Georgia right now. They have QB's that can make things happen with their feet and we don't. That makes them just a LITTLE bit better, a little more dangerous and we don't have that. I wish we did because there's going to be a moment this year where it's 3rd and 7, Fromm is back there and we get blitzed and the kid won't be able to get outside the pocket to make a play. He'll either have to throw it away or get sacked.
It's in these moments we'll wish we had an athlete back there.
Posted on 9/4/19 at 9:50 am to jodeaux
You suggest that the difference between bama and us is athleticism at QB...
That must be it. Couldn’t have anything to do with them having 3 or 4 first round receivers to our zero, insane talent and depth on the interior DL, which is one of our biggest weaknesses, and equal or better talent at nearly every other position.
Yes, Tua is a better QB than Jake. He is also a better QB than Fields. Hell, if not for Lawrence, who is likely once in a generation good, he would be the best QB in all of college football
That must be it. Couldn’t have anything to do with them having 3 or 4 first round receivers to our zero, insane talent and depth on the interior DL, which is one of our biggest weaknesses, and equal or better talent at nearly every other position.
Yes, Tua is a better QB than Jake. He is also a better QB than Fields. Hell, if not for Lawrence, who is likely once in a generation good, he would be the best QB in all of college football
Posted on 9/4/19 at 10:37 am to NCDawg52
I've not really commented on this much since last season, but I will only say this. If Jake Fromm doesn't lead this team to a championship, and Justin Fields balls out and becomes the stud everyone believed he was and leads OSU to a championship, Smart and UGA are going to look foolish. Even more so if Jacob Eason flourishes at Washington. It's going to look like we not only made the wrong choice, but it's also going to look like we don't develop QBs very well. We certainly didn't develop Fields very well and our usage of him was not only stupid, it was detrimental to his development.
Fromm is as good as he is because he is smart and has tremendous work ethic. Nobody is going to outwork him. Is that enough? I don't know, but we can't have anymore games from him like the LSU game last year, and he can't disappear at times during a game. No more getting a lead and then hoping the defense can hold up. We've lost twice to Bama doing that.
The jury is still out on Fields and Eason, but they looked far better than they ever did here. Of course they were playing against weak teams.
As for people saying Fromm led us to the playoffs, yes he did. Kelly Bryant also led Clemson to the playoffs as well. Sweeney still made the tough choice to bench him.
Fromm is as good as he is because he is smart and has tremendous work ethic. Nobody is going to outwork him. Is that enough? I don't know, but we can't have anymore games from him like the LSU game last year, and he can't disappear at times during a game. No more getting a lead and then hoping the defense can hold up. We've lost twice to Bama doing that.
The jury is still out on Fields and Eason, but they looked far better than they ever did here. Of course they were playing against weak teams.
As for people saying Fromm led us to the playoffs, yes he did. Kelly Bryant also led Clemson to the playoffs as well. Sweeney still made the tough choice to bench him.
This post was edited on 9/4/19 at 10:41 am
Posted on 9/4/19 at 10:41 am to HTDawg
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Fromm is as good as he is because he is smart and has tremendous work ethic. Nobody is going to outwork him. Is that enough? I don't know, but we can't have anymore games from him like the LSU game last year, and he can't disappear at times during a game. No more getting a lead and then hoping the defense can hold up. We've lost twice to Bama doing that.
Thank You, another voice of reason on this topic. This is exactly the situation.
Posted on 9/4/19 at 10:54 am to HTDawg
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Of course they were playing against weak teams.
This is a major point. Hold off on anointing Eason and Fields until they’ve played SEVERAL tough teams. Many on here with deep football knowledge commented on Fields’ inability to properly go through his progressions. I believe Eason had similar struggles.
Posted on 9/4/19 at 10:56 am to jodeaux
I'm one of those who thinks Fields could end up as good or better than Lawrence. I still don't think it would have been right to bench Fromm.
Did you watch Bryant last season? He was hindering the offense. Lawrence wasn't staring only because of his upside. He was staring because he was the best option at that moment.
Now you could say Fields should have been given more opportunity, but I suspect if Lawrence wasn't outperforming Bryant in practice he wouldn't have gotten the keys either. The situation wasn't perfect, but on balance Kirby played it right.
Did you watch Bryant last season? He was hindering the offense. Lawrence wasn't staring only because of his upside. He was staring because he was the best option at that moment.
Now you could say Fields should have been given more opportunity, but I suspect if Lawrence wasn't outperforming Bryant in practice he wouldn't have gotten the keys either. The situation wasn't perfect, but on balance Kirby played it right.
Posted on 9/4/19 at 11:10 am to lambertdawg
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This is a major point. Hold off on anointing Eason and Fields until they’ve played SEVERAL tough teams. Many on here with deep football knowledge commented on Fields’ inability to properly go through his progressions. I believe Eason had similar struggles.
The defense reading thing isn't a deal breaker.
1. Most freshmen - Fromm and Tua included - are behind last year's Jake Fromm when it comes to reading defenses, and limited PT doesn't help to catch up.
2. It's quite possible that Fields running ability would have more than made up for that deficiency.
But that still doesn't matter that much because of our offense. UGA has the best offensive line and best group of RBs in the country. Decision making and leadership at QB are what's most important. If those guys couldn't show a clear advantage there was no chance to unseat Jake.
If you want the offense to change argue that. However, as long as this was what we recruited and ran, Jake was the best option.
Posted on 9/4/19 at 11:38 am to chillmonster
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id you watch Bryant last season? He was hindering the offense. Lawrence wasn't staring only because of his upside. He was staring because he was the best option at that moment.
Good friend of mine is good friends with Clemson's QB coach. They knew TL was the starter 1 week into camp. Even called his 1st start before the season started. TL is a different dude.
But Eason? dam almighty. Have some already forgotten what our O looked like with him at the helm? Good grief...
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