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re: Did Trevor Lawrence progress faster than Justin Fields?
Posted on 9/23/18 at 12:24 pm to FinleyStreet
Posted on 9/23/18 at 12:24 pm to FinleyStreet
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Lawrence is the clear better player at Clemson; I don't think that's the case in our situation.
Because they gave him a chance to show it in a conference game. If you don't give your most talented QB
any legitimate shot to play in any meaningful game, he's never going to develop and you'll never know what he can do. He's not going to develop by practice alone.
I'll never understand the assumption that he's going to suck if he gets put in? Here are his stats this year, in limited playing time.
14 of 17
142 yards
82.4% completion pct
8.35 YPA
2 TD passes
0 INTs
0 Sacks
191.3 RAT
98.0 QBR
96.4 ADJ QBR
He's also utilized the TE, which Fromm doesn't. He's also doesn't seem to be afraid to throw over the middle.
This post was edited on 9/23/18 at 12:26 pm
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Posted on 9/23/18 at 12:36 pm to lewis and herschel
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Kirby had no problem playing Fromm over Eason even after he recovered. If Fields gives us the best chance to win, he would do it again.
Kirby would probably do the same if the situation arose again.
Posted on 9/23/18 at 12:37 pm to lewis and herschel
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Watching the highlight package, Fromm played very well overall. The int was on Mecole.
It was a pass in tight coverage. Was no one else open?
Posted on 9/23/18 at 12:41 pm to SquatchDawg
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It’s “everyone else has to earn their spot except this guy” and that’s not the right way to do it.
We are playing backups all over the field in every game. Are you fine with that?
Posted on 9/23/18 at 12:41 pm to djsdawg
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Was no one else open?
Yes, Ridley down the sideline. It was a read and Fromm made the wrong one and cost us points.
But we're worried that if Fields makes a mistake, it's the end of the world. We've already got a quarterback making screw-ups.
Posted on 9/23/18 at 12:43 pm to lewis and herschel
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Kirby had no problem playing Fromm over Eason even after he recovered.
He didn't have any choice. Eason missed almost half the season with that injury and Fromm was clearly leading the team better and led us to an undefeated record. No way was he going to remove Fromm at that point.
Here's what I expected. After a very good freshman year, I expected Fromm to look absolutely great this year. At times he looks like he has regressed. If Fromm was lights out this year, we wouldn't be talking about Fields. Fromm has looked downright bad at times.
Posted on 9/23/18 at 12:44 pm to HTDawg
Don't get me wrong, I'm chomping at the bit to see Fields too, but I think there may be reasons we haven't seen him out there consistently.
Posted on 9/23/18 at 12:47 pm to FinleyStreet
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think there may be reasons we haven't seen him out there consistently.
Perhaps they are bad reasons.
Posted on 9/23/18 at 1:15 pm to Crowknowsbest
Mecole had it with both hands and allowed to be stript.
Posted on 9/23/18 at 1:18 pm to HTDawg
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Funny how Clemson and Alabama didn't have that mentality with their freshman QBs. Look at them now.
I don't doubt Fields could have the same type of day right now against GT that Lawrence did.
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It's also laughable how you automatically assume that Fields is just going to be terrible if we bring him in.
I didn't say that. I said what if.
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I suspect it has nothing to do with that and more to do with the fact that you love Fromm and will defend him no matter what.
I will call Fromm out when he makes bad throws and has off games.
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If Fromm was playing lights out, this wouldn't even be a discussion. His performance in the first half of the only two real games we played were just garbage.
He's top 10 in passer rating and yards per attempt. He struggled in the 1st half, but because we're not idiots and pulled him at halftime like you want, he played great in each second half and helped us win those games.
Posted on 9/23/18 at 1:25 pm to Dawgsontop34
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don't doubt Fields could have the same type of day right now against GT that Lawrence did.
Both would probably do the same to mizzou. Clemson would give him a chance I bet.
This post was edited on 9/23/18 at 1:26 pm
Posted on 9/23/18 at 1:27 pm to Dawgsontop34
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I don't doubt Fields could have the same type of day right now against GT that Lawrence did.
Fields would have never been given the chance, unlike Lawrence. Lawrence has had meaningful series in every game. Fields has had no meaningful series against the only two competent teams we have played.
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I didn't say that. I said what if.
I sincerely hope Kirby smart is not saying "what if Fields sucks when I put him in" when making that decision.
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I will call Fromm out when he makes bad throws and has off games.
He's already made numerous bad throws and had two awful halves. He's checkdown Charlie and a very good game manager at best. If our running game gets stoned, we may be in trouble.
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He struggled in the 1st half
He shouldn't be struggling period. He's had a full year of experience, including against top flight teams.
This post was edited on 9/23/18 at 1:29 pm
Posted on 9/23/18 at 1:27 pm to lewis and herschel
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Mecole had it with both hands and allowed to be stript.
Risky throw put hardman in a difficult spot. Fromm should have gone through his progressions.
This post was edited on 9/23/18 at 1:37 pm
Posted on 9/23/18 at 1:32 pm to djsdawg
Can't have it both ways, the ability to fit a ball into tight coverage is the very essence of being a hall of fame qb....
Fromm did his part, Mecole has been awesome but it was on him to hang on to it. Just the way it is.
Fromm did his part, Mecole has been awesome but it was on him to hang on to it. Just the way it is.
Posted on 9/23/18 at 1:35 pm to lewis and herschel
You can have it both ways. If another guy is open, and apparently Ridley was according to long, Fromm needs to find him, and he didn’t.
Posted on 9/23/18 at 1:37 pm to lewis and herschel
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Can't have it both ways, the ability to fit a ball into tight coverage is the very essence of being a hall of fame qb....
You don't want to throw it into tight windows if you don't have to.
Posted on 9/23/18 at 1:40 pm to lewis and herschel
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Can't have it both ways, the ability to fit a ball into tight coverage is the very essence of being a hall of fame qb....
Yes, that's true, but you only need to use that ability if it's absolutely necessary. The reason he fit that ball in was because he made a terrible read on third down.
And if you're going to blame Mecole and not Fromm for the interception, then you have to give all the credit for two of Fromm's three TD's to Ridley and Holloman for making amazing individual plays on the ball.
Posted on 9/23/18 at 1:43 pm to FlexDawg
It's crazy how some football people think.
When we played South Carolina Gary Danielson was talking about Kirby's QB options. Danielson said that if Fields is called on and plays much better than Fromm, then Kirby has a problem.
A QB playing bad is a problem. A QB playing well is a benefit.
Fromm and Field are both talented winners. I wouldn't be afraid to play either. I wouldn't be afraid to play both. I would worry about having all the eggs in one basket.
When we played South Carolina Gary Danielson was talking about Kirby's QB options. Danielson said that if Fields is called on and plays much better than Fromm, then Kirby has a problem.
A QB playing bad is a problem. A QB playing well is a benefit.
Fromm and Field are both talented winners. I wouldn't be afraid to play either. I wouldn't be afraid to play both. I would worry about having all the eggs in one basket.
Posted on 9/23/18 at 2:39 pm to HTDawg
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Fields has had no meaningful series against the only two competent teams we have played.
That's also because Fromm is better than Bryant as I stated earlier.
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I sincerely hope Kirby smart is not saying "what if Fields sucks when I put him in" when making that decision.
It's not the only thought, but you have to consider Fields not playing well on the road in a tough environment, and then making a QB controversy. On the other hand, imagine him having the same attitude with Fromm when he pulls him. He's trusted him in the 2nd half of both games, and been rewarded.
Look, I think Fields is a transcendent, win you a national championship type of player. It's his freshman year. I'm more than fine slowly bringing him along, and if we need to make a change, we can do it. We've beaten every team by double digits, and I just don't think there's the need for that right now.
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He shouldn't be struggling period.
The best QBs in the world have times where they are slightly off. It's a little ridiculous to expect him to be perfect.
Posted on 9/23/18 at 2:44 pm to Dawgsontop34
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It's his freshman year. I'm more than fine slowly bringing him along,
There is a difference between slowly with some PT in all games and slowly but sitting him in some games.
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