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re: Did Trevor Lawrence progress faster than Justin Fields?

Posted on 9/24/18 at 7:44 am to
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 9/24/18 at 7:44 am to
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Are you calling for Kirby to be fired for wasting talent?

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Give me a break with this silly nonsense.

Why is it nonsense? Do you really want a coach that wastes and squanders talent, allowing it to walk away without giving it a chance? because that is exactly what you are charging.

This post was edited on 9/24/18 at 7:45 am
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58901 posts
Posted on 9/24/18 at 7:47 am to
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Who is asking for Fields to start? We’re asking for meaningful snaps in meaningful games and he has gotten none. Nothing in either USC or Missouri.
In those games, if he makes a mistake we could be beaten. One loss could eliminate any chance we have at the playoffs.

Either Fields is ready, or he is not. If he is ready he needs to be playing. If he is not, I do not want him getting meaningful snaps in games that we could lose due to playing a QB who is not ready.
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
32732 posts
Posted on 9/24/18 at 7:53 am to
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nonsense? Do you really want a coach that wastes and squanders talent, allowing it to walk away without giving it a chance? because that is exactly what you are charging.


Because its silly.
Posted by lewis and herschel
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 9/24/18 at 7:57 am to
100% Trust Kirby's judgement and evaluation ability, anyone that thinks different is dumb as dog shite.
Posted by UnderDog68
Thomasville, Ga.
Member since Sep 2017
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Posted on 9/24/18 at 10:02 am to
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Lawrence and Fields would both look like freshman versus a serious defense that could get to them.


Agree. I noticed that Lawrence likes to force throws sometimes. Did that a bit vs. GT.

A good defense with a pulse would probably eat that up.
Posted by FlexDawg
Member since Jan 2018
12812 posts
Posted on 9/24/18 at 10:26 am to
So my question still stands. For those of you who don't think fields could be valuable to us right now....Did Trevor Lawrence progress faster than Justin Fields? yes or no.
Posted by HTDawg
Member since Sep 2016
6683 posts
Posted on 9/24/18 at 10:27 am to
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In those games, if he makes a mistake we could be beaten.


Fromm was making mistakes in those games. You keep repeating this crap as if the world is going to end if we get Fields meaningful playing time in a meaningful game, and with that logic why ever play any freshman? Why play Fromm last year? It's silly.
Posted by HTDawg
Member since Sep 2016
6683 posts
Posted on 9/24/18 at 10:31 am to
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Lawrence and Fields would both look like freshman versus a serious defense that could get to them.


So does Fromm at times.
Posted by HTDawg
Member since Sep 2016
6683 posts
Posted on 9/24/18 at 10:34 am to
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So my question still stands. For those of you who don't think fields could be valuable to us right now....Did Trevor Lawrence progress faster than Justin Fields? yes or no.


Last post on this matter. The answer is obviously yes because he was given a chance to progress by actually getting meaningful playing time.
This post was edited on 9/24/18 at 10:34 am
Posted by bigdawg7780
SC
Member since Oct 2013
2788 posts
Posted on 9/24/18 at 10:37 am to
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Last post on this matter. The answer is obviously yes because he was given a chance to progress by actually getting meaningful playing time.


Are You Justin's cousin or street agent or something?
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
32732 posts
Posted on 9/24/18 at 11:40 am to
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100% Trust Kirby's judgement and evaluation ability, anyone that thinks different is dumb as dog shite.


Kirby isn't infallible. All those Bama fans who thought Tua should start over Hurts last year were thankful for their coach being wrong, and finally accepting it just in time to beat UGA.
Posted by Whiznot
Albany, GA
Member since Oct 2013
6994 posts
Posted on 9/24/18 at 11:51 am to
Why is Fromm allowed to make his mistakes but Fields isn't allowed to make any mistake?

Both QBs deserve meaningful playing time. Fields' meaningful time should be in the first three quarters. Fromm deserves to start and to play the 4th quarter if the win is in doubt.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58901 posts
Posted on 9/24/18 at 5:24 pm to
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So my question still stands. For those of you who don't think fields could be valuable to us right now....Did Trevor Lawrence progress faster than Justin Fields? yes or no.
I think it's already been answered. It's a matter of who is playing ahead of them more than who progressed faster. Fromm is much better than Bryant, therefore Lawrence is getting the nod.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58901 posts
Posted on 9/24/18 at 5:28 pm to
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Fromm was making mistakes in those games


Everybody makes mistakes. The kind of mistakes a freshman makes costs you games.
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You keep repeating this crap as if the world is going to end if we get Fields meaningful playing time in a meaningful game, and with that logic why ever play any freshma
The world won't end, but your playoff chances might.

Why ever play a freshman? Most teams don't start freshman QB's if they have another alternative. There is a reason for that. You ask any major college football coach if his preference is to start a freshman at QB, and he will say no without giving it much thought.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58901 posts
Posted on 9/24/18 at 5:32 pm to
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Why is Fromm allowed to make his mistakes but Fields isn't allowed to make any mistake?

Because the coaches know how Fromm will handle his mistakes. He plays through them and doesn't allow them to hinder his production in the game or development. We don't know how Fields will handle his. he might play through them, or they might compound themselves and turn into a string of mistakes that cost you a game.

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Both QBs deserve meaningful playing time. Fields' meaningful time should be in the first three quarters. Fromm deserves to start and to play the 4th quarter if the win is in doubt.
This s what is happening, isn't it?
This post was edited on 9/25/18 at 5:39 am
Posted by BulldogSicEm
Member since Sep 2017
17 posts
Posted on 9/24/18 at 7:20 pm to
It's really that simple. Lawrence >>>> Bryant, Fields >> Fromm in terms of pure physical talent. Fromm + experience makes up for that physical gap, Bryant + experience doesn't. Bryant wouldn't start at most schools in the SEC, Fromm would start everywhere besides Mizzou/Bama/Miss St.

Also for people who thinks Fields is transferring, you do realize he'd sit out all of next year regardless? If he stays he'll get playing time and take over for Fromm in 2020. Before you bring him up, Eason left because he was already the starter and he'd have to compete with Fromm and Fields and probably rarely see the field again.
This post was edited on 9/24/18 at 7:22 pm
Posted by FlexDawg
Member since Jan 2018
12812 posts
Posted on 9/24/18 at 7:31 pm to
Most QB rankings have Bryant ranked in the ACC about where Fromm is ranked in the SEC.

Doubt Fromm is leaving after next year.
This post was edited on 9/24/18 at 7:38 pm
Posted by HTDawg
Member since Sep 2016
6683 posts
Posted on 9/24/18 at 8:48 pm to
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It's really that simple. Lawrence >>>> Bryant, Fields >> Fromm in terms of pure physical talent.


I said I had made my last post on this, but that statement is complete BS. I don't even know where you got that nonsense from. There is no evidence to back that up at all. Fields was #1 according to both 247 and ESPN until he broke his finger and shut it down. Fields also dominated Lawrence in the Elite 11. Fields is bigger, stronger, faster, more athletic, and with just as strong an arm. Lawrence is skin and bones. As for Bryant, he is only comparable to Fields in terms of running ability and I'm not even sure he's as good in that.

High school stats are irrelevant as Fields carried a mediocre/bad football teams in a larger classification.
Lawrence played for one of the best teams in the state in a lower classification.

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Also for people who thinks Fields is transferring, you do realize he'd sit out all of next year regardless? If he stays he'll get playing time and take over for Fromm in 2020.


Sitting out a year is meaningless when you can be a three year starter, possibly, versus a 1 year starter. His father has already chimed in. Fields is not DJ Shockley, and Shockley was not served well by riding the pine for three years, especially as it related to his development and NFL prospects. Fromm isn't leaving after next year because he's not an NFL QB. He's in the Aaron Murray realm of the draft and a third round pick. If he's lucky maybe he's a mid second round.
This post was edited on 9/24/18 at 8:55 pm
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
32732 posts
Posted on 9/24/18 at 10:31 pm to
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Everybody makes mistakes. The kind of mistakes a freshman makes costs you games.


List the mistakes by Greene, Murray, and Fromm that lost UGA games as freshmen.

Then remember how well Greene, Murray, and Fromm played as freshmen.

Point is, its not safe to assume Fields has an explosion of major mistakes. Chances are well against that based on what we have seen and know about him.

Another point, He might be the key to success vs Bama, and we are sitting him down doing nothing.

Thats my 12000. Go dawgs.
This post was edited on 9/24/18 at 10:33 pm
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
41605 posts
Posted on 9/24/18 at 10:40 pm to
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Why is Fromm allowed to make his mistakes but Fields isn't allowed to make any mistake?
Fields got significant "real" snaps in the first 3 games of the season. Well, at least two of the three. Our #1 priority as a team is to win games, not to develop players. That's a secondary issue even if it is an important one.

Fromm has been battle tested and went head-to-head with some of the best QBs in the nation (Lock, Stidham, Mayfield, Hurts/Tua) and either beat them head-to-head or held his own as a true freshman. He's only gotten better since last season, too.

Making a few mistakes is forgivable when the game and season is on the line. You don't yank your starter for a mostly untested freshman if you aren't desperate. Alabama made the switch against us because they were desperate. We haven't gotten there yet.

Fields may be the greatest QB ever but there's no reason to take that gamble in the heart of SEC play with our season and goals on the line just to prove a point when our starting QB is one of the most efficient passers in the nation. Fields will be given playing time but Fromm is our go-to QB until he starts losing us games and that's how it should be.
This post was edited on 9/24/18 at 10:55 pm
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