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re: Did Trevor Lawrence progress faster than Justin Fields?

Posted on 9/23/18 at 2:48 pm to
Posted by HTDawg
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Posted on 9/23/18 at 2:48 pm to
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It's his freshman year. I'm more than fine slowly bringing him along


I don't believe Fields will be around long enough for that. If he's still riding pine and not getting any meaningful playing time by the end of this year, it's over. He'll do it somewhere else.

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The best QBs in the world have times where they are slightly off. It's a little ridiculous to expect him to be perfect.


He's had two awful first halves and wasn't all that consistent at any point in the second half. I didn't expect that out of Fromm. Calling it slightly off is the understatement of the year.
Posted by Dawgsontop34
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Posted on 9/23/18 at 3:14 pm to
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He's had two awful first halves and wasn't all that consistent at any point in the second half.


Posted by meansonny
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Posted on 9/23/18 at 3:27 pm to
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I don't believe Fields will be around long enough for that. If he's still riding pine and not getting any meaningful playing time by the end of this year, it's over. He'll do it somewhere else.


100% disagree.

Cheers
Posted by HTDawg
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Posted on 9/23/18 at 3:40 pm to
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Now you're being disingenuous. Aside from three TDs, one of which was wide open by 20 yards and couldn't have been easier, and the other two which were great plays by wide receivers, he wasn't all that consistent.
Posted by HTDawg
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Posted on 9/23/18 at 3:41 pm to
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100% disagree.


If you think Fields is riding the pine for three years behind a far less talented QB, then that's your prerogative. We'll see. I say there's no way that happens. He isn't DJ Shockley.
Posted by meansonny
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Posted on 9/23/18 at 3:46 pm to
You said riding the pine this year.

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If he's still riding pine and not getting any meaningful playing time by the end of this year, it's over. He'll do it somewhere else.


I'm starting to think some on this board have special needs.
Posted by HTDawg
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Posted on 9/23/18 at 5:03 pm to
Let's put it this way. If he's getting no more meaningful playing time the rest of this year than he's getting so far, he'll transfer. If he's not getting a legitimate shot at any point this year, and at this point I'm not sure he will, why would he stick around 2 more years to start one season? The season is not going to get any easier and if you want him to be ready in case Fromm gets injured, we've failed at that so far. These are the kind of games he should haven gotten more snaps.
Posted by lewis and herschel
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Posted on 9/23/18 at 5:30 pm to
There has been no surprises and Fields and his family knew the situation when they came in. I think Fields will do whatever to make Georgia better, and that is not holding the coaching staff hostage. He will get plenty of playing time and when it's time, he will start.
Posted by Dawgsontop34
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Posted on 9/23/18 at 5:34 pm to
So instead, he’ll transfer, sit out a year, have to learn a new playbook, to then play 1 year.

Makes sense to me...
Posted by Dawgsontop34
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Posted on 9/23/18 at 5:43 pm to
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Now you're being disingenuous. Aside from three TDs, one of which was wide open by 20 yards and couldn't have been easier, and the other two which were great plays by wide receivers, he wasn't all that consistent.



I'm being disingenuous? Jake Fromm's 2nd half stats this year:

13/15, 309 yards, 4 TDs, 0 INTs.
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 9/23/18 at 5:50 pm to
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There has been no surprises and Fields and his family knew the situation when they came in. I think Fields will do whatever to make Georgia better, and that is not holding the coaching staff hostage. He will get plenty of


I bet they expected more PT, and that was before frimm’s First half struggles in sec play. He isn’t getting plenty of PT.
Posted by DawgsLife
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Posted on 9/23/18 at 5:57 pm to
My thought is Bryant is not as talented as Fromm. There is a difference in making a move to an experienced player because the player in front of him is struggling.

Fromm is very capable and Bryant is more of a liability. At this stage of development Bryant is not that much better than Lawrence.

At this stage of development Fromm is better than Fields. That might change, but right now Fields wants to pull the ball down and run when pressured.
Posted by lewis and herschel
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Posted on 9/23/18 at 6:05 pm to
He has played a so much that he was pulled in fear he would get hurt, we sent a walk on out for mop up once we got to the 4-5-6th teams.
Posted by meansonny
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Posted on 9/23/18 at 6:13 pm to
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There has been no surprises and Fields and his family knew the situation when they came in. I think Fields will do whatever to make Georgia better, and that is not holding the coaching staff hostage. He will get plenty of playing time and when it's time, he will start.




The fields family said that they were OK with a redshirt this season. They know the track record of great qbs who took a redshirt.

This is the learning year. They have publicly said as much to the media.
Posted by HTDawg
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Posted on 9/23/18 at 9:11 pm to
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He will get plenty of playing time and when it's time, he will start.


We're going around in circles at this point, but I can't imagine you really believe Fields is going to sit on his arse behind a less talented QB for three years to play one year. He could transfer, sit a year, and still have three years of eligibility. Then again, it would be just like UGA to completely waste a talent like Fields.
Posted by HTDawg
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Posted on 9/23/18 at 9:13 pm to
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I'm being disingenuous? Jake Fromm's 2nd half stats this year:


There are lies, damned lies, and then there are stats. I specifically mentioned consistency. He's put up good stats, but the consistency isn't there.

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but right now Fields wants to pull the ball down and run when pressured.


I keep hearing this nonsense but I'm not buying it. I could just as easily argue Fromm takes sakes because he holds the ball too long at times. I could also argue he looks like a deer in the headlights with any pressure. I could say he doesn't throw to the TEs and he won't throw over the middle unless a guy is wide open. All of those would be just as valid as the claim that Fields pulls the ball down and runs too much. He hasn't had enough playing time to make that claim and I've seen a number of times where nobody is open when he decides to run.

We aren't going to agree, so it's pointless to keep on arguing the point.
This post was edited on 9/23/18 at 9:19 pm
Posted by djsdawg
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Posted on 9/23/18 at 10:18 pm to
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has played a so much that he was pulled in fear he would get hurt, we sent a walk on out for mop up once we got to the 4-5-6th teams.


We didn’t pull him from playing too much in the Columbia’s
Posted by DawgsLife
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Posted on 9/24/18 at 5:56 am to
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it would be just like UGA to completely waste a talent like Fields.
Are you calling for Kirby to be fired for wasting talent? because if he is wasting talent and we are not winning championships I would be calling for him to be fired.

At some point you just have to trust your head coach and figure he sees something you don't. Either trust Kirby or fire him.
Posted by DawgsLife
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Posted on 9/24/18 at 6:04 am to
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I keep hearing this nonsense but I'm not buying it.
You don't have to buy it. All you have to do is watch the plays. They are right there on YouTube.

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I could just as easily argue Fromm takes sakes because he holds the ball too long at times.

That could be argued. And that might be true from time to time. Nobody is claiming that Fromm is perfect. He is just more experienced...knows the playbook better and has the confidence of the team right now. He has proven he can play under great pressure.
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He hasn't had enough playing time to make that claim and I've seen a number of times where nobody is open when he decides to run.
He's had enough playing time to see that he does that in a high percentage of that time. And you could also say, instead of running he could stay in the pocket and wait for his receivers to break their routes before he takes off.


Nobody is arguing that Fields is not talented....or that he will never take over for Fromm. Simply that Fromm is ahead in development right now, and we are not ready to turn things over to a young, inexperienced QB and take a chance on losses.

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We aren't going to agree, so it's pointless to keep on arguing the point.


You are probably right here. So, why don't we trust our coach to make the right decisions. That's what he gets paid a lot of money to do.
This post was edited on 9/24/18 at 6:06 am
Posted by HTDawg
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 9/24/18 at 7:24 am to
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Are you calling for Kirby to be fired for wasting talent?


Give me a break with this silly nonsense.

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we are not ready to turn things over to a young, inexperienced QB and take a chance on losses.


Who is asking for Fields to start? We’re asking for meaningful snaps in meaningful games and he has gotten none. Nothing in either USC or Missouri.
This post was edited on 9/24/18 at 7:28 am
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