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Posted on 1/14/20 at 9:52 am to Peter Buck
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Sounds like his offense is pretty close to what we did or at least tried to do this year.
His offenses have been pass heavy compared to what we've been doing since Kirby got here. He may run the same concepts but I don't remember his time with the Bucs.
Posted on 1/14/20 at 9:54 am to Porter Osborne Jr
Change title to Todd not Jeff. I think Jeff runs triple option at Army we definitely don’t want that
Posted on 1/14/20 at 9:57 am to Peter Buck
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Explain yourself then
Monken runs more of a spread offense built around throwing the football to open up the run. He attacks the entire field, while we seemed to favor the sidelines mid-level throws. Monken likes attacking downfield as well as running screens. Lots of play action, which was MIA at UGA this past year.
Posted on 1/14/20 at 9:59 am to playmakers in space
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our title confused me a bit. Looked up Jeff Monken and found the Army HC.
Got the first names wrong. Corrected, now.
Posted on 1/14/20 at 9:59 am to Peter Buck
quote:I'm not speaking for him, but Monken clearly uses the pass to open the run, and that's not at all what we do or tried to do this past season.
Explain yourself then
Monken goes vertical A LOT, as well as inside/middle screens just as much as outside. And his run scheme is 50/50 inside/outside, too.
Not really that close to what we did this past season.
He seems more balanced and even leans towards the pass and using the middle more while also taking more intermediate and deep shots.
Posted on 1/14/20 at 10:06 am to Leon S Kennedy
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This would be a homerun. Let's see if Smart wants a great coach or great recruiter because Coley is completely outclassed by Monken as a coach.
Well, LSU has basically 2 OC's so maybe that would work for us.
Posted on 1/14/20 at 10:19 am to GurleyGirl
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ell, LSU has basically 2 OC's so maybe that would work for us.
And so does Clemson.
Coincidence?
Posted on 1/14/20 at 10:25 am to Hobnail
Whatever works.
To this point, it's hard to argue with results, and Clemson & LSU have a lot more to show for their efforts than we do.
To this point, it's hard to argue with results, and Clemson & LSU have a lot more to show for their efforts than we do.
Posted on 1/14/20 at 10:29 am to BeefDawg
We ran a spread that was attempting to be more balanced, which I think is the bigger point. We ran PA, but not many screens. As far as working the whole field. That is different in result, but not sure in concept. Would love to see us be able to execute that better. We were successful this year in the run when we were completing passes and getting first downs. I’m sure a new guy will bring his own wrinkles.
We tried some screens but damn if they seemed to get blown up. That would be a nice wrinkle to slow down a pass rush.
We tried some screens but damn if they seemed to get blown up. That would be a nice wrinkle to slow down a pass rush.
Posted on 1/14/20 at 10:37 am to Peter Buck
quote:Yeah I agree.
We ran a spread that was attempting to be more balanced, which I think is the bigger point. We ran PA, but not many screens. As far as working the whole field. That is different in result, but not sure in concept. Would love to see us be able to execute that better. We were successful this year in the run when we were completing passes and getting first downs. I’m sure a new guy will bring his own wrinkles.
We tried some screens but damn if they seemed to get blown up. That would be a nice wrinkle to slow down a pass rush.
I don't remember us even running a middle screen this season. Did we? Or were all of them outside?
Our run game was also probably 75/25 inside to outside too. It was pretty drastic a difference how often we went inside the tackles as opposed to towards the sidelines.
And I think we under-utilized the middle of the field quite significantly on intermediate and deep passes.
Anyways, the big differences are that Monken uses the pass to open the run, and then he is 50/50 inside/outside on nearly everything.
We were run to open the pass, and primarily inside run scheme and short/outside pass scheme, and then tossed in the occasional jet sweep.
It really wasn't a dynamic offense by any standard.
Posted on 1/14/20 at 10:41 am to BeefDawg
Not a coincidence that in the bowl game we ran a lot more to the outside and stretched the field a little more in the passing game the offense seemed to have more success.
Posted on 1/14/20 at 10:45 am to BeefDawg
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tossed in the occasional jet sweep
To be fair to Coley, that Jet Sweep motion was *supposed* to give a similar threat to the QB keeping on some of those interior run plays, but it just seemed clunky when we ran it...
I just think in general, without a pretty dynamic downfield passing attack, most teams don't worry *too* much about the jet sweep because you aren't necessarily taking their perimeter defenders 30+ yards up field and clearing out huge running lanes. We've got some things to work on for sure. Monken looks capable.
I'm with Porter though... seems we could have announced already if he was the guy - unless either he or we are still looking around.
Posted on 1/14/20 at 10:45 am to Peter Buck
Personally, I don't understand why we didn't go tempo more often. We can't control opposing defenses flopping to slow the game down, but Fromm definitely seemed to be more comfortable up tempo, and he had more success there, too.
Posted on 1/14/20 at 10:51 am to VoxDawg
Hell... we've been screaming that since his Freshman year... 
It was obvious that Fromm worked well out of the up-tempo... it played to his strengths in pre-snap reads... Unfortunately, Kirby is in many ways addicted to substitutions... on both sides of the ball. Makes it damn hard to run tempo when he's trying to get the "perfect 11" on the field all the time.
I think if we take anything away from what LSU did offensively this year, it was how multiple they were with the *same* 11 guys on offense. Not that they didn't substitute, but they could run their offense effectively without subbing giving them room to push tempo where they want to. For us to do that, we're going to need more than one reliable receiving target (ideally 3+)...
It was obvious that Fromm worked well out of the up-tempo... it played to his strengths in pre-snap reads... Unfortunately, Kirby is in many ways addicted to substitutions... on both sides of the ball. Makes it damn hard to run tempo when he's trying to get the "perfect 11" on the field all the time.
I think if we take anything away from what LSU did offensively this year, it was how multiple they were with the *same* 11 guys on offense. Not that they didn't substitute, but they could run their offense effectively without subbing giving them room to push tempo where they want to. For us to do that, we're going to need more than one reliable receiving target (ideally 3+)...
Posted on 1/14/20 at 10:52 am to VoxDawg
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Personally, I don't understand why we didn't go tempo more often. We can't control opposing defenses flopping to slow the game down, but Fromm definitely seemed to be more comfortable up tempo, and he had more success there, too.
It goes against clock control and resting defense principles, but the offense sure seemed to do well in that mode... agree for sure.
Posted on 1/14/20 at 11:10 am to VoxDawg
If Newman is as advertised with the long ball prowess, that alone will change the way defenses attack us at the box.....
Posted on 1/14/20 at 11:14 am to Peter Buck
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It goes against clock control and resting defense principles, but the offense sure seemed to do well in that mode... agree for sure.
Know what else goes against resting defense principles? 5 straight 3 & outs.
Something's gotta give.
Posted on 1/14/20 at 11:17 am to Peter Buck
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We ran PA
Eh...
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Been asked a bunch about #UGA offense and their inconsistency.
Two big picture issues that must change:
1 - Their run % on 2nd & 7-plus is 3rd highest in FBS
2 - Their % play-action is 114th in FBS
The first one is understandable, the second one is truly unbelievable.
This is as of November 18, so deep into the season
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This post was edited on 1/14/20 at 11:18 am
Posted on 1/14/20 at 11:29 am to VoxDawg
We return more than 6 starters on defense? It's more like 8 by my count. We lose Clark, Crowder, Reed. I'm pretty sure that Davis had more starts than Barnett. Don't know who else he's counting as a starter that's gone.
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