re: All of Fromm's offensive plays

After watching most of those - the AU line was simply running around our guys. They rarely rushed more than 5 against our 6. We got completely handled up front.

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After watching the Auburn highlights, anyone who thinks we should bench Fromm is crazy. He played extremely well, considering he was under pressure for at least half of his throws. If we can tighten up just a little bit, and give him more time, this game has a whole different outcome.

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You couldn’t be more correct.

I wouldn't argue that Fromm should be benched for this performance.... but I wouldn't be stupid enough to keep insisting Fromm is a better QB than Eason. Fromm finally faced the scenario Eason faced all last season and it wasn't pretty. What happens when he has to throw it.. when they know he has to throw it.. When there is no rushing game and they just keep coming. well, now we know.

Anyone who continues to compare Eason's numbers last year against Fromm's this year is simply dumb as hell. This was the first apples to apples comparison and it didn't go well. That defense was almost identical all the way down to our dear friend "trigga" Trey. Fromm is a great game manager, Eason is a weapon. Sometime's the QB has to take the team on his shoulders and make it happen. That's a job for a weapon, not a game manager.

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I wouldn't argue that Fromm should be benched for this performance.... but I wouldn't be stupid enough to keep insisting Fromm is a better QB than Eason. Fromm finally faced the scenario Eason faced all last season and it wasn't pretty. What happens when he has to throw it.. when they know he has to throw it.. When there is no rushing game and they just keep coming. well, now we know.

Anyone who continues to compare Eason's numbers last year against Fromm's this year is simply dumb as hell. This was the first apples to apples comparison and it didn't go well. That defense was almost identical all the way down to our dear friend "trigga" Trey. Fromm is a great game manager, Eason is a weapon. Sometime's the QB has to take the team on his shoulders and make it happen. That's a job for a weapon, not a game manager.

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While I agree with your premise, it is clear to me that Fromm is a more accurate passer and has a better sense for how long he can hold on to the ball and where to go with it once the sack timer is running out.

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Eason is a weapon

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WRONG

While I agree that Fromm hasn't been asked to win games like Eason did last year, I disagree with the "apples to apples" comparison between Auburn this year vs. last year. Auburn is much better this year than they were last year with a much better balanced offense this year that has helped their defense. Their defense this year, especially against the pass, is much better.

Here are the stats for Eason last year against Auburn:
20/31 (65%)
208 yards
0 TD
0 INT
54.3 QBR

Here are the stats for Fromm against Auburn this year:
13/28 (46%)
184 Yards
1 TD
0 INT
15.8 QBR

Obviously Fromm didn't do as well, but again, Auburn's defense is much better this year over last year. Here are the rushing stats for comparison:

2016 vs. Auburn:
43 carries
135 yards
3.1 yards/carry

2017 vs. Auburn:
32 carries
46 yars
1.4 yards/carry

As you can see, not exactly apples-to-apples there as Eason had some help on the ground last year where Fromm had almost zero help.

Here is how Auburn's defense stacks up against itself from last year (in parenthesis):

Total yards allowed: 8th (40th)
Rushing yards: 16th (28th)
Passing yards: 31st (106th)

Auburn has statistically improved on defense this year, especially against the pass. No wonder Eason did better against them.

A better balanced offense this year has helped Fromm, of course, but Fromm has been great (except against Auburn) on 3rd downs when we have been expected to throw the ball. Fromm has been very accurate with the deep ball, as well. He's more than a game manager.

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parenthesis):

Total yards allowed: 8th (40th)
Rushing yards: 16th (28th)
Passing yards: 31st (106th

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Are those the stats that Auburn had on defense COMING into our game or end of the year??Huge diffence...they played their 2 best teams after us ALABAMA and OH

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Here are the stats for Eason last year against Auburn:
20/31 (65%)
208 yards
0 TD
0 INT
54.3 QBR

Here are the stats for Fromm against Auburn this year:
13/28 (46%)
184 Yards
1 TD
0 INT
15.8 QBR

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We had a much better game plan last year.We came out throwing deep early and often and it eventually opened up the run game.

AU was a top 10 coming into the game and I believe a 10 point favorite.

Why are you comparing only Auburn from last year and not UGA?Where are the UGA stats comparing this year's team to last?Didn't we have better supporting cast this
year?

Weren't we the favorite and ranked in the top 5 this year?

I mean I've heard some on here state last year's roster was the worst since the mid 90's and this year's team was so much better than our '02 team that it was laughable to even compare the two.

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Are those the stats that Auburn had on defense COMING into our game or end of the year??Huge diffence...they played their 2 best teams after us ALABAMA and OH

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All of last years, but that's a good point. I'll refactor the stats to show where Auburn was going into the game last year and going into the game this year:

Total yards allowed: 21st (19th)
Rushing yards: 24th (26th)
Passing yards: 18th (62nd)

So from this, the total yards allowed and the rushing yards allowed are comparable coming into the game, but they were vastly improved this year against the pass, which ultimately is why Eason was able to pick them apart last year and why Fromm struggled. Thanks for the correction but the point still stands.

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We had a much better game plan last year.We came out throwing deep early and often and it eventually opened up the run game.

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We started the game this year with a good drive that resulted in a TD and then was held down with a boot on our throats for the remainder of the game until the last drive.

Last year our first drive ended with a punt. We did not have an offensive TD last year (our lone TD came from a pick-six). Our defense is what won the game for us last year so not sure how our game plan was better last year compared to this year, though obviously our game plan sucked badly this year.

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AU was a top 10 coming into the game and I believe a 10 point favorite.

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Yeah, they were #9 and the favorite to win, but we were playing at home and still needed our defense to shut them down in order to win by two FGs. Not sure how this is relevant when comparing how Fromm and Eason did against them, especially considering there are a lot of factors that play into win/loss records and rankings that don't tell the whole story.

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Why are you comparing only Auburn from last year and not UGA?Where are the UGA stats comparing this year's team to last?Didn't we have better supporting cast this
year?

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I compared our QBs (where the focus was) to their defense and threw in our rush stats to show the offensive "help" they each got. What other stats would you like for me to include? Obviously our defense gave our offense more help last year but we're comparing how our QBs performed against each other, since the allegation was we had an apples-to-apples comparison for the two. I think the fact the Auburn's passing defense was so much better this year is enough to show that it wasn't apples-to-apples.

If there are other stats you want me to look up, I can do that. I thought I chose the most relevant to the discussion, though.

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Weren't we the favorite and ranked in the top 5 this year?

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Like the question above about rankings and favorites, I think it's irrelevant. Fromm has shown that he can throw the ball and after watching the game more than once, it was obvious that we didn't lose because of Fromm just like we didn't beat Auburn last year because of Eason.

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I mean I've heard some on here state last year's roster was the worst since the mid 90's and this year's team was so much better than our '02 team that it was laughable to even compare the two.

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Yeah, last year was pretty bad. I'm talking specifically about the apples-to-apples comparison that was brought up regarding how each QB played against Auburn, though. Our offense wasn't great last year but they actually played better against Auburn's defense than we did this year, gaining over 100 more yards last year. Granted, we scored two offensive TDs this year compared to 0 last year, but we dominated the TOP last year, which allowed us to win by hanging on our defense. We had almost twice the number of minutes in TOP than they did last year. Controlling the line is what we did well last year and we didn't do that this year. That was the difference. That, and dumb penalties (and the muffed punt).

Definitely planning on including that. That was great.

My issue with Fromm is he really is telegraphing his passes badly. Locked in from the snap. He sometimes gets to the check down, but he seems to really be 1 receiver, wait wait wait for the receiver to come out of the route, then check down if not open. He's not getting into 2 and 3 receiver reads at all. This will work against Kentucky when you have time to wait for the receiver to break and the route to develop, but Bama/Auburn there is no way you have time to wait that long. Those defenses see this deficiency so they lock Wims down, cover the checks, pay less attention to WR #2 and WR #3 and pin their ears back on the line. This is why it's so so important to get Ridley and/or Nauta involved to force the D to spread.

And this isnt a pro Eason vote, he's much worse at these things than Fromm is. And Jake is incredibly accurate and has great footwork which are also advantages. But Chaney needs to either get him through the progress faster or game plan so that there's less slow developing routes vs. a Bama or Auburn D.