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re: All of Fromm's offensive plays

Posted by Jay Gatsby on 11/17/17 at 9:43 am
I wouldn't argue that Fromm should be benched for this performance.... but I wouldn't be stupid enough to keep insisting Fromm is a better QB than Eason. Fromm finally faced the scenario Eason faced all last season and it wasn't pretty. What happens when he has to throw it.. when they know he has to throw it.. When there is no rushing game and they just keep coming. well, now we know.

Anyone who continues to compare Eason's numbers last year against Fromm's this year is simply dumb as hell. This was the first apples to apples comparison and it didn't go well. That defense was almost identical all the way down to our dear friend "trigga" Trey. Fromm is a great game manager, Eason is a weapon. Sometime's the QB has to take the team on his shoulders and make it happen. That's a job for a weapon, not a game manager.

re: Eason will start vs Vandy?

Posted by Jay Gatsby on 10/4/17 at 3:16 pm
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He has certainly gone through progressions. He did so on his first TD run against UTk where his first and second targets were covered and he took off running. Granted, at that point pressure was coming down on him, but he still looked that way before running. Also, it's strange how most of his pre-snap reads are good. He just happens to lock on to a target that is open or has a great matchup. He's got to be super lucky, our receivers have made drastic improvements over last year, or he's making good pre-snap reads so that he doesn't have to go through his progression as much. I don't know which one it is but he's been very successful so far with only a couple glaringly bad misreads


Sorry man, I cant agree. I think you are just spinning things at this point because you just love the guy and thats okay. The presnap reads are a joke.. he is throwing to his primary and reading absolutely nothing. The article where Hardeman quoted him saying in the huddle he was throwing to him was a clear indication of this. His throw to Nauta in the Tenn game is another. Nauta fell out early in the route. If the play goes to X he's throwing it there. If it goes to Y, he's throwing it there. Your timing numbers support this beyond all. He cant drop back in the pocket and make 2 or 3 reads in an avererage of 1.5 seconds on the regular dude. I'm sorry, he isn't reading a got-dam thing bro. His primary targets have just been super wide open a lot because we run the ball 70% of the time.

re: Eason will start vs Vandy?

Posted by Jay Gatsby on 10/4/17 at 12:37 pm
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I just did some hand timing on the time-to-throw (from the snap) for Eason and Fromm.


I enjoy that you at least think about your point but...

this can highlight something else just as much. Fromm locks onto his primary receiver pre-snap and throws it to them no matter what, neglecting to ever go through his progressions which takes time.

Lucky for us that our running game rocks or this would actually be a very bad thing. it certainly sucks for our Tight Ends who have all but disappeared because they are rarely the primary receivers. Nauta was our second leading receiver last year. Think about that. Jake is throwing to wide open guys a fair portion of the time. A luxury Eason almost never had last year.
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Acworth (got fired for sexual harrassment)


dammit Bobby :rotflmao:

re: So Where does Eason transfer to?

Posted by Jay Gatsby on 10/3/17 at 3:04 pm
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Defenses benefit from offenses that dominate the TOP, which we have two of the last three games. If we pass more, we probably have more incompletions leaving more time on the board, or we have quicker scores causing the defense to come back on the field faster.


Yeah, not thinking we are throwing much out of the Wild dawg. We would've won both games easily. Even with Mecole or Sonny playing QB. This team is just way better than it was last year.

re: So Where does Eason transfer to?

Posted by Jay Gatsby on 10/3/17 at 2:34 pm
Nah, this is referencing a comment I made earlier about our passing offense being last in the league in yards, 11th in completion percentage ect. He said if you take out our other players pass attempts we move up to 5th, but you would also have to do that for every other team in the league as well to make that statement relevant.

re: So Where does Eason transfer to?

Posted by Jay Gatsby on 10/3/17 at 2:29 pm
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Why?


because you said it moves him from 11th to 5th.. that's without adjusting the rest of the league by the same factor. he may actually be 12th at that point. you can't do it like that is all. Every factor must be applied equally to all or your stats are not valid

re: So Where does Eason transfer to?

Posted by Jay Gatsby on 10/3/17 at 2:26 pm
I can respect your argument but the fact is we only had to score more than 3pts one game and 0pts in the other. I'm gonna go with we would've done that running the Wild Dawg all day in both games.

:cheers:

re: So Where does Eason transfer to?

Posted by Jay Gatsby on 10/3/17 at 2:22 pm
Dude Just stop.. you would have to factor in every attempt not made by the starters of the other teams too so it would likely make a very small difference and could potentially hurt your argument. :spank:

re: So Where does Eason transfer to?

Posted by Jay Gatsby on 10/3/17 at 2:10 pm
Except one glaring difference everyone keeps ignoring... Eason had 151 pass attempts thru 5 games
Fromm has 84 pass attempts thru 5 games

Eason was asked to do twice as much with a substantially worse team. It's not comparable if you are being remotely fair about it

Of course his stats would suffer as a result

re: So Where does Eason transfer to?

Posted by Jay Gatsby on 10/3/17 at 1:56 pm
Fromm 84
Eason 4
Ramsey 4
Swift 1

and both Eason and Ramsey completed one so its not all negative impact, well technically Ramsey completed 3

:lol:

re: So Where does Eason transfer to?

Posted by Jay Gatsby on 10/3/17 at 1:48 pm
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Including Eason's



:rotflmao:

He has 4 pass attempts this season

re: So Where does Eason transfer to?

Posted by Jay Gatsby on 10/3/17 at 1:45 pm
...and we have Whiznot projecting again.

The facts are we don't put that on Fromm like we did Eason. Eason had 300yd games by this point. If you sort it by completion percentage we are 11th out of 14.

You sir are a tool

re: So Where does Eason transfer to?

Posted by Jay Gatsby on 10/3/17 at 1:25 pm
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You lost all cred with this statement


True statement cited in many articles on the subject. You would lose credibility for not knowing that. Sorry, you started it. look it up :spank:

re: So Where does Eason transfer to?

Posted by Jay Gatsby on 10/3/17 at 12:56 pm
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but it was Ole Miss on the road last year (before they lost their starting QB) and Miss St at home this year.


Yep, blew that one. my bad

re: Eason will start vs Vandy?

Posted by Jay Gatsby on 10/3/17 at 12:53 pm
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Controversy over at the half.


Gotta admit that would theoretically do it. It would leave little room for argument unless he "Fromms" it and plays good but not great and wins. Then you have the "well, we won with Eason too, so chemistry wasn't broken chatter."

re: So Where does Eason transfer to?

Posted by Jay Gatsby on 10/3/17 at 12:33 pm
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I don't think we know who the better QB is right now but we know what we had with Eason last year and we know what we have with Fromm this year and in my humble estimation, this year's Fromm has out-performed last year's Eason in terms of consistency and leadership if nothing else. He's given the offense a much needed spark that was clearly visible as soon as he stepped foot on the field for the first time after Eason went down. He's as polished as any true freshman I've seen and he's done what we've asked him to do very well considering.


I understand what you are saying but... the difference between last years 3-2 Eason Team and this years 5-0 Fromm team is a defense that gave up 45pts to MState last year and 3 this year and a defense that gave up 34pts to Tenn last year and 0 this year. Neither of those things involve the QB position. So we can assume with this years defense and last years QB we would be in EXACTLY the same place we are now.

re: So Where does Eason transfer to?

Posted by Jay Gatsby on 10/3/17 at 10:38 am
Ahh, but there in lies the rub. We asked Eason to single handedly win games with his arm last year on a much worse team. That alone made his numbers look substantially lower than they might otherwise while there where many more drops as well. No one is making Godwins catch in the endzone on last years team. Wimms isn't snatching a for sure interception out of a defenders hands for a 30yrd gain. I found it amusing hearing the announcers label Fromms penchant for throwing to his primary receiver at all costs a "pre-snap read" essentially excusing him for never going through his progressions.

We don't ask Fromm to do what we asked Eason to do last year and under far worse circumstances. Yet he did rise to the occasion several times. We just can't know what Eason is capable of when surrounded by a decent supporting cast. It certainly could be worse, but it could be incredible. Labeling Fromm the better QB is extreme folly to say the least. Doesn't make it untrue, just a bit of a gamble on limited info. Fromm running last years offense throwing as much as Eason is likely a record number of interceptions. He loves the 50/50 balls and sooner or later they fall on the other teams 50 too.

re: So Where does Eason transfer to?

Posted by Jay Gatsby on 10/3/17 at 9:07 am
I find this an interesting comparison as Brady would certainly end up having a hall of fame career but he was hardly the better QB that season. If you remember, and most don't, it was Bledsoe who came in and won the championship game againts the Steelers to gift Brady his first super bowl. Brady was horrible that game and after tweaking his ankle, Bledsoe came in, led the team down the field from deep in their own end and threw the TD pass. The ONLY TD New England had that day but it was enough to win.. and Why? Because their defense was amazing.

We have a similar scenario here. We are winning because we have perhaps the best defense in the country. We have the worst passing offense in the SEC and a middle of the pack offense overall. Its lifted by a incredible stable of running backs.

Moral of the Story is Fromm is good enough to get you there, but it will take a little magic to win the game you want the most. That magic is likely Eason, not Fromm. Just like it was Bledsoe, not Brady that started it all for NE.
Umm.. you sir have a future in drama. And the only name being called is your projection of what Trash is.. now go read a book and let the adults talk :booboo: