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Turns out last play of the game was a good call.
Posted on 10/9/22 at 6:46 am
Posted on 10/9/22 at 6:46 am
Last night I didn't like the call on last play of the game. However, this morning I watched the ending again. Truth is there was nothing wrong with the call except execution. King should have thrown the ball much earlier. Receiver was very open.
Ball should have been halfway there at this point.
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or even at this point.
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He was at the 1 by the time the bad (and late) pass arrived. That's how late the uncatchable throw was. King was late, knew it, and tried to zing it and it sailed. Wasn't going to be TD at that point regardless.
He was late on other throws last night also. Is it King? Coaching? Good teams score TDs on this play all night long. Was a very good play call. End of story.
Ball should have been halfway there at this point.
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[/img] He was at the 1 by the time the bad (and late) pass arrived. That's how late the uncatchable throw was. King was late, knew it, and tried to zing it and it sailed. Wasn't going to be TD at that point regardless.
He was late on other throws last night also. Is it King? Coaching? Good teams score TDs on this play all night long. Was a very good play call. End of story.
This post was edited on 10/9/22 at 6:51 am
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Posted on 10/9/22 at 6:50 am to Tridentds
Yes, ball needs to be in the air 2 seconds earlier
Posted on 10/9/22 at 7:16 am to Tridentds
Thanks for posting the picture. Definitely late on the throw based on how the route was run. I wonder if Stewart was actually supposed to go a yard or two deeper into the endzone before breaking to the pylon.
You can also see that King's feet are not square with the target. That contributed to the throw not being on target.
You can also see that King's feet are not square with the target. That contributed to the throw not being on target.
Posted on 10/9/22 at 7:30 am to Ag8556
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I wonder if Stewart was actually supposed to go a yard or two deeper into the endzone before breaking to the pylon.
The TV views last night of the receiver were so bad that they really didn't show him until he was at the goal or just outside of it. I thought the route was bad last night. Once you can see video of Stewart it is pretty clear he drove in far enough and created plenty of space for a good throw. Stewart did his job.
Also, if you watch the replay you can see that every other receiver knew the ball was going to the corner. They were all looking that way. King himself never looked anywhere else... no reads at all... that is where the ball was going. Fisher called the correct play. King threw it late. Very late.
This post was edited on 10/9/22 at 7:37 am
Posted on 10/9/22 at 7:36 am to Tridentds
Stewart proved he could make clutch catches. He was in that DBs head.
No problem with the call.
No problem with the call.
Posted on 10/9/22 at 8:00 am to Pvt Hudson
Yep, the potential was there, I just don’t like Jimbo asking his backup (or starter? I’m confused at this point) QB to hit a perfectly timed throw, in a small window, with zero margin for error. Even on many of the completions King was either high, behind, or off to the side last night.
Side note is I’m glad Stewart had a bounce back game. Not sure what’s up with our receiving corp, but it takes them having a bad game (Moose vs Arky, Stewart vs Miss St) to then follow it up with a good game (Moose vs Miss st and Stewart vs Bama). Hope for more consistency overall as that will help our struggling QB, whoever it is.
Side note is I’m glad Stewart had a bounce back game. Not sure what’s up with our receiving corp, but it takes them having a bad game (Moose vs Arky, Stewart vs Miss St) to then follow it up with a good game (Moose vs Miss st and Stewart vs Bama). Hope for more consistency overall as that will help our struggling QB, whoever it is.
Posted on 10/9/22 at 8:23 am to Tridentds
No. It was not a good call because Jimbo should have known that is too difficult of a throw for him to make w/the game on the line. Period. End of story.
He was inaccurate all night long so to expect him to make a perfect NFL throw like that is ludicrous. It's not a throw he regularly makes, he had been slow to get the ball out all game long, and he isn't accurate enough to make that your winner take all call. It was a stupid arse call to make. There is no getting around it.
He was inaccurate all night long so to expect him to make a perfect NFL throw like that is ludicrous. It's not a throw he regularly makes, he had been slow to get the ball out all game long, and he isn't accurate enough to make that your winner take all call. It was a stupid arse call to make. There is no getting around it.
This post was edited on 10/9/22 at 8:28 am
Posted on 10/9/22 at 8:41 am to Tridentds
The ball sailed so much…. It could have been a PERFECT play with a PERFECT route, and it still would have been ucatchable.
The details keep killing us.
The details keep killing us.
Posted on 10/9/22 at 9:16 am to Jobu93
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The details keep killing us.
Jimbo not understanding that he needs to call plays that work to his players strengths is killing us.
You don't ask somebody who is mediocre at shooting 3s to hit one to win the game. Even if the guy is open it's a dumb thing to pull the game on.
Asking him to make a perfect throw when he is so mediocre w/ball placement and is constantly slow to get it out.. I mean shite, even during the interview at the start of the game Jimbo said King needed to get the ball out faster and stop thinking too much. So of course he makes a call that required King to do the two things he knows the kid needs work on and was struggling to do all game.
This post was edited on 10/9/22 at 12:18 pm
Posted on 10/9/22 at 9:22 am to Dr RC
Certainly fair game to debate the play call but that throw does not require an NFL QB. King is standing by the hash mark that is closest to the pylon. The distance on the pass is not very long at all in the grand scheme of things. I would definitely agree with you if the throw was supposed to go to the pylon on the opposite side of the field.
Posted on 10/9/22 at 9:35 am to Dr RC
I get Sunday morning QB is fun, but what call do you make? You can see the LBs in the snip spying King and Achane - handoff, option, run play wasn’t going anywhere.
Maybe a pass to Moose - hard to tell where the DB is - LB may be able to get a hand on the ball if - again - not perfectly placed.
Maybe a pass to Moose - hard to tell where the DB is - LB may be able to get a hand on the ball if - again - not perfectly placed.
Posted on 10/9/22 at 10:18 am to Ag8556
Chris Doering just did a really good breakdown of the last play on SEC Football Final. I was wrong about King being late with the ball. King released on time based on his drop back. There was no hitch or hesitation.
Doering had a perfect video angle that showed Stewart was too shallow on his route before breaking back to the pylon. He said Stewart needed to sell the fade route more to get the DB to turn his hips and create more room in the end zone to work. Just a learning experience for Stewart going forward.
Doering had a perfect video angle that showed Stewart was too shallow on his route before breaking back to the pylon. He said Stewart needed to sell the fade route more to get the DB to turn his hips and create more room in the end zone to work. Just a learning experience for Stewart going forward.
Posted on 10/9/22 at 10:19 am to Dr RC
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No. It was not a good call because Jimbo should have known that is too difficult of a throw for him to make w/the game on the line
If that throw of 12-14 yards is now considered too difficult a pass then we just suck at football.
Thrown on time that is an easy throw. Doesn’t have to be a missile. Just a good accurate throw. If done properly Stewart has ball in hands with DB a yard away.
What you are calling a difficult throw is not at all.
Posted on 10/9/22 at 1:06 pm to Ag8556
Doesn't matter if King was late or not, he threw a bad ball that wasn't catchable in the end zone. I still think PI could have and should have been called, I don't care if they had just called it, the Bama DB was tackling Stewart already when the ball was in the air.
Posted on 10/9/22 at 3:50 pm to Tridentds
I 100% agree with your point. Ball was late, and maybe the route should’ve been run a bit deeper.
Playing devils advocate here: why run a play that requires basically perfect timing to win the game from the 2?
Playing devils advocate here: why run a play that requires basically perfect timing to win the game from the 2?
Posted on 10/9/22 at 5:19 pm to Tridentds
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Thrown on time that is an easy throw. Doesn’t have to be a missile. Just a good accurate throw.
Prior to the last play of the game, King had 109 passing attempts on the season. "On time" and "accurate" are not two themes that come to mind when thinking about those 109 attempts.
Posted on 10/10/22 at 9:31 am to Raid05
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he threw a bad ball that wasn't catchable in the end zone
That’s not really on Jimbo. I don’t think he’s getting credit for the clock management and play calling that put them on the goal line with a chance to win on the last play.
Posted on 10/10/22 at 9:44 am to Pvt Hudson
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That’s not really on Jimbo. I don’t think he’s getting credit for the clock management and play calling that put them on the goal line with a chance to win on the last play.
He really isn't getting credit for that last drive. The criticism I have for Jimbo is we keep burning timeouts early . We should have had 2 timeouts left on that last drive or more time from calling timeouts when Bama had the ball last. We should have had 2 or 3 plays to get it in.
Posted on 10/10/22 at 10:00 am to Tridentds
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We should have had 2 timeouts left on that last drive or more time from calling timeouts when Bama had the ball last.
I think we had to waste 2 timeouts in the 2nd half due to lack of preparedness, one for personnel issues and one for getting the play in too late. We also had one (maybe two) personnel issues that resulted in penalties.
A common theme under Fisher, and when you aren't good enough in other aspects of the game, self-inflicted injuries like these can be the difference between winning and losing. Probably another argument for Jimbo needing to get over himself and hire an OC so he can take more responsibility for holding everyone accountable play-by-play
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Posted on 10/10/22 at 11:30 am to NanosTacoRun
Or how bout killing almost a minute trying to go for it on fourth down then just kicking the field goal anyways. I didn’t understand that at all
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