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MavsAg
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re: Guys coming back?
Cool. Thank you.


Hugh McElroy
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re: Guys coming back?
This is just me reading between the lines, but I think the tea leaves are that McCollum is prolly gone, but we have a chance with the other three. Billy said he would be "shocked" if we got all three, but he expects one or maybe two to stay. If we can get Hocker (who I think is the favorite to stay) and one of the tackles, that's a huge win.


CGSC Lobotomy
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re: Guys coming back?
I would be surprised if McCollum played any kind of football ever again. His back and knees are wrecked.


CGSC Lobotomy
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In your opinion, what do the lines look like if Hocker, Moore and Green all return, just Moore and Hocker and just Hocker?

My take:

All 3

LT - Moore
LG - K. Green
C - Robinson
RG - Hocker
RT - C. Green

Moore and Hocker

LT - Moore
LG - Hocker
C - Matthews
RG - Robinson
RT - K. Green

Just Hocker

LT - K. Green
LG - Robinson
C - Matthews
RG - Hocker
RT - Trainor

None

LT - K. Green
LG - Robinson
C - Matthews
RG - Ogunbiyi
RT - Trainor


socal91
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Member since Nov 2018
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re: Guys coming back?
I'm just happy to see a big win that doesn't feel like an outlier. Not to mention amidst it all to read posts on the internet using adult language like vapid and disingenuous. :)

And if all of the moral positives that have historically been part of A&M culture result in carrying over a bunch of just shy of NFL guys who just "want to," well, Katie bar the door.


gvwheeler
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won't lose you games

You seem to define "not lose you games" by "screwing up so badly you hand the game to the other team," but missing open receivers, failing to see open receivers, waiting too long to run, burning timeouts, ... also lose games.

Has he imrpoved? Yes, but I would expect any QB to improve if started 4 years. We've seen his ceiling and I am ready for someone with a higher ceiling.

It has nothing to do with race, hurt feelings, how hard he worked or how hard he tried. I want someone who can consistently see and hit open receivers. I want someone with emotion, passion, energy, and positive body language on the field.

I didn't like his off-field antics, but I have plenty of on-field reasons to want to move on to a new QB. Even fans from other teams comment Mond is holding us back. Frankly, I'm surprised so many are defending his play and downvoting anyone who is ready to move on.


socal91
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The aggregate value is high because of the duration, not the amplitude.


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NanosTacoRun
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You seem to define "not lose you games" by "screwing up so badly you hand the game to the other team," but missing open receivers, failing to see open receivers, waiting too long to run, burning timeouts, ... also lose games.

He won 8 in a row, 7 by double digits. I don't think you understand what "loses games"


socal91
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You never know what loses games until the game is over. And people always point to that ONE thing. That one missed tackle in Q4. That one dropped ball. But usually there were opportunities before that ONE event that would have made it inconsequential.

My kids are packers fans. They lamented a WR earlier this season for a fumble. I had to remind them of their cheering for the same guy's awesome 50 yard play earlier to set up a touchdown.

Recency bias often determines heroes and goats (not to be confused with GOATs) unfairly.

Mond is probably neither hero nor goat, but served admirably this year as a good placeholder until hopefully an actually good QB is an option.

I think we do all need to be cognizant of the fact that high schools aren't creating Jimbo (and thus NFL) qbs these days. That will make them hard to find. But it will also draw them to Jimbo.


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gvwheeler
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He won 8 in a row, 7 by double digits. I don't think you understand what "loses games"

I think you missed the point or else you're trolling.

Plus, he did not win 8 in a row. The team won 8 in a row.


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TbirdSpur2010
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You seem to define "not lose you games" by "screwing up so badly you hand the game to the other team," but missing open receivers, failing to see open receivers, waiting too long to run, burning timeouts, ... also lose games.


The first part is pretty clearly what most people mean by "losing you games." I'm NOT saying he's flawless. I *am* saying he's a gamer. Which is all you can ask of someone who has a ceiling that is a cut below truly elite. Going back to the Texas Bowl, how many times did he answer the call/counter right back when we needed a key drive? He did it vs. oSu. Obviously went toe to toe with Trask during the UF game (yes, the Maroon Goons had their coming out party, as well, but early in that game, he was having to sling it just to keep us in it). Answered right back after that fluky pick 6 in Starkville. Answered right back after Arkansas and UT opened up the scoring against us. Tossed a dime to Smith late on the road vs. Auburn. Tied the game up vs. UNC with his legs when the game was on the line and we never looked back.

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Has he imrpoved? Yes, but I would expect any QB to improve if started 4 years. We've seen his ceiling and I am ready for someone with a higher ceiling.


I've literally said I'm ready for him to pass the baton. Just trying to provide some perspective for some of the nonsense talking about he's terrible. I'm not out here talking about "#HeisMond" or anything crazy like that, nor do I think he should return or that he'd make a quantum leap with another year under center for us. Again, for a Sumlin recruit who didn't win his own QB competition and stayed the starter through a major coaching change, he's performed as well as can be expected for a 4th year player. Kudos/thanks are in order. As is a changing of the guard at QB.


TbirdSpur2010
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Not to mention amidst it all to read posts on the internet using adult language like vapid and disingenuous. :)


Oh you know I'll bust out the vocab

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if all of the moral positives that have historically been part of A&M culture result in carrying over a bunch of just shy of NFL guys who just "want to," well, Katie bar the door.


That's the linchpin to the whole "sleeping giant" mystique we've always heard about TAMU, but never fully realized. Good teams come and go--enough talent in the state trickles through here to virtually guarantee that every now and then. But retention/culture is something that is takes intention to build--something that hasn't always been there. And whenever we did have those fringe NFL guys, they'd bolt at the earliest opportunity (not that I'd necessarily blame them). This is the first TAMU team I can recall with such a robust locker room culture. The playoff snub seemed to galvanize them, in a way, instead of fracturing their drive like we've seen it do to some other teams in the past. That's pretty cool to witness. Hopefully the start of something very special for this program.


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Warrior Poet
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Moms has improved every year under jimbo and was a pretty solid game manager this year for us. We’d probably be a contender with him next year if a few things fall right with the OL. We are a power running team first and foremost with a three-deep that would start at every SEC school.

But I’m ready for King. It’s time.


Ollieoxenfree99
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Mond has had 4 years. Improvement from Freshman to Senior year wasn't great. It kinda sickens me that he "passed" Manziel's record. Sure, he's had twice as long to get those numbers.


Warrior Poet
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I agree. But he has improved in stats that jimbo cares about. You also have to consider that he played a reduced all-SEC schedule this year and recorded his best stats of all.

INT
17 - 6
18 - 9
19 - 9
20 - 3

Completion %
17 - 51.5%
18 - 57.3%
19 - 61.6%
20 - 63.3%

Pass TD
17 - 8
18 - 24
19 - 20
20 - 19 (reduced all-SEC schedule)

Yards per completion
17 - 6.1
18 - 7.5
19 - 6.9
20 - 7.7

3rd down conversion %
17 - 38.05%
18 - 41.18%
19 - 40%
20 - 54.89% (#3 nationally)

I’m just saying the guy is a game manager through and through and if that’s what Jimbo says he needs to win then frick it who am I to say shite.


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FortWorthAg15
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The only backup OL I’ve seen play meaningful snaps is Layden Robinson. I would also assume he is the first in line for a OG/OC spot. After that, I have no clue Trainor is the only true OT that’s not a true freshman. Matthews has been around and he is a Matthews, but is he currently hurt? It thought I saw him not dressed out on the sideline during the bowl game.


WhiskerBiscuitSlayer
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Matthews has been around and he is a Matthews,


He is the value brand version.


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ShaneTheLegLechler
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I thought it was interesting Robinson didn’t replace McCollum at center when he got hurt and it was Green instead. Probably shouldn’t read too much into it but I figured he would be next in line and didn’t even know Green had taken snaps at center


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Texas Gentleman
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re: Guys coming back?
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For all we know, he could take the step from good to great next year, if he returned


Mond is not going to get any better with another year, he’s at his ceiling. I think his “improvement” this year is mainly due to a better offensive line and running game, not actually better passing mechanics, field vision, etc.

Saw someone else mention, he’s a game manager now that he’s mostly eliminated his turnovers and I agree with that take. There are very few teams in college football outside of Alabama that can win a natty with a “game manager” QB (and even they haven’t had one in awhile since the likes of AJ Mccaron). We need a great/electric QB. Mond just isn’t that.

I do appreciate the games he’s won, but I’d like to see some fresh blood at this point and take our chances on the next generation QB.


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Hugh McElroy
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The only backup OL I’ve seen play meaningful snaps is Layden Robinson.


I think he's almost certain to be starting at guard. Dude was really good when he came in.

I think Hocker moves to left guard, Robinson takes over at right guard. At Center, it's either Green or Aki or Matthews. If it's Aki or Matthews, Green goes to tackle. Hopefully, we get Carson Green or Dan Moore back.


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