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re: Calzada to Auburn
Posted on 8/24/22 at 2:09 pm to Texas Gentleman
Posted on 8/24/22 at 2:09 pm to Texas Gentleman
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how much could we really expect out of the second string qb that is apparently going to be 2nd or 3rd string at auburn who has a pretty crappy QB situation?
I don't expect any more out of Calzada than what he showed us.
I expect a hell of a lot more out of Jimbo. Whether that's better recruiting, better development, or at least taking a QB transfer/true QB recruit to ensure you have more than 2 guys available at the position, it was a situation completely of Jimbo's making. And other coaches around the nation are relying on backup qbs/walkon QBs without their own offense tanking, so I don't really have much sympathy for Jimbo concerning that.
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Posted on 8/28/22 at 1:54 pm to NanosTacoRun
Calzada is officially the backup to the guy who was the backup of our backup QB
Posted on 8/28/22 at 10:53 pm to NanosTacoRun
The reality is that, unless you’ve got a stud freshman/RS freshman as a backup QB who can actually play, really nobody has quality P5 QBs sitting on the bench anymore. No quality players at that position hang around more than two years without being named the starter anymore. For perspective Max Johnson is about as good as you can hope for in terms of an upperclassman at backup QB.
These days when starters get hurt, it’s usually a dumpster fire. It’s hard to fault Jimbo specifically for something that all coaches deal with now.
These days when starters get hurt, it’s usually a dumpster fire. It’s hard to fault Jimbo specifically for something that all coaches deal with now.
Posted on 8/29/22 at 8:48 am to Roger Klarvin
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It’s hard to fault Jimbo specifically for something that all coaches deal with now.
I'd buy this argument if he had a bunch of quality QBs in campus and all the backups bailed. But Jimbo wasn't victimized by the transfer portal, he just fricked up recruiting the position and it bit him in the arse.
Posted on 8/29/22 at 1:46 pm to NanosTacoRun
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Jimbo wasn't victimized by the transfer portal, he just fricked up recruiting the position and it bit him in the arse.
Eh, I think Klarvin is right. This isn't really a recruiting thing as much as a sign of the times.
Posted on 8/29/22 at 8:42 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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Eh, I think Klarvin is right. This isn't really a recruiting thing as much as a sign of the times.
4 recruiting classes (2018, 2019, 2020, 2021) with one good QB. Blaming that on transfers or the times (?) makes sense.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 10:31 am to NanosTacoRun
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Calzada is officially the backup
Scratch that. Calzada is actually 3rd string
Auburn depth chart
Posted on 8/30/22 at 10:32 am to NanosTacoRun
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4 recruiting classes (2018, 2019, 2020, 2021) with one good QB. Blaming that on transfers or the times (?) makes sense.
It does make sense, though.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:35 pm to NanosTacoRun
It’s hard to bring in top talent year after year due to playing time. You aren’t likely to have another superstar in the wings as most QBs aren’t going to wait around with the new transfer rules and portal. Doesn’t matter how many recruiting cycles you have.
Look at this year, the Holstein kid committed and then decommitted, mostly because King and Weigman have a lot of eligibility ahead of them.
Look at this year, the Holstein kid committed and then decommitted, mostly because King and Weigman have a lot of eligibility ahead of them.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 2:02 pm to Texas Gentleman
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It’s hard to bring in top talent year after year due to playing time.
Sure, but no one is scared of Haynes King or Zach Calzada.
Jimbo is the QB guru that is supposed to swing the big dick in recruiting and he landed Foster, Calzada, King and then no quarterback in the 4 classes leading up to the 2021 season. Whatever the excuse, it was a failure that cost us big time last year.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 2:20 pm to NanosTacoRun
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then no quarterback in the 4 classes leading up to the 2021 season
Huh? Stowers was 2021 (4-star), King was 2020 (4-star), Calzada was 2019 (3-star), and Foster was 2018 (4-star). He's taken a qb recruit in every class since he took over. I realize Foster and Stowers are already gone/moved positions but they were qb recruits at the time.
No one may be scared of Calzada, but King was a top 150 player in the nation and mid 4 star guy with offers from: Auburn, LSU, Oregon, Arky, Tennessee, and more.
This post was edited on 8/30/22 at 2:21 pm
Posted on 8/30/22 at 3:16 pm to Texas Gentleman
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Stowers was 2021 (4-star), King was 2020 (4-star), Calzada was 2019 (3-star), and Foster was 2018 (4-star).
Yeah that's the bad recruiting I was talking about
Posted on 8/30/22 at 3:51 pm to Texas Gentleman
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Stowers was 2021 (4-star), King was 2020 (4-star), Calzada was 2019 (3-star), and Foster was 2018 (4-star).
So 3 total busts at the QB position and 1 giant question mark.
Boffo job by the QB whisperer.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 4:17 pm to Dr RC
With Mond firmly entrenched by the 2019 season, I'm sure that played into some of the recruiting he was able to do. Plus some of those classes just flat out didnt turn out many good qbs. Just for fun I just looked at the 2019 qb class and here are the top 4 qbs from 24/7:
1 Spencer Rattler
2 Bo Nix
3 Jayden Daniels
4 Ryan Hilinski
Thats a whole lot of "meh" looking back in hindsight. 3 of the 4 have transferred.
It's whatever at this point, hold the recruiting against him or dont, one side isnt likely to convince the other. I'm actually not as worried about the QB spot, I think between King (assuming he can stay healthy and isnt injury prone) and Weigman, we are pretty good at that position for awhile. Of course Jimbo needs to keep bringing in a 4 star or better guy every year or two at QB but WR and OL are still areas I'd like to see us get better at across the roster.
1 Spencer Rattler
2 Bo Nix
3 Jayden Daniels
4 Ryan Hilinski
Thats a whole lot of "meh" looking back in hindsight. 3 of the 4 have transferred.
It's whatever at this point, hold the recruiting against him or dont, one side isnt likely to convince the other. I'm actually not as worried about the QB spot, I think between King (assuming he can stay healthy and isnt injury prone) and Weigman, we are pretty good at that position for awhile. Of course Jimbo needs to keep bringing in a 4 star or better guy every year or two at QB but WR and OL are still areas I'd like to see us get better at across the roster.
This post was edited on 8/30/22 at 4:20 pm
Posted on 8/30/22 at 4:53 pm to Dr RC
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So 3 total busts at the QB position and 1 giant question mark.
What is a normal hit rate? Look how many talented guys Georgia brought in before they found their guy in a former walk on. Even Bama who takes the cream on the crop each year seems to have plenty of guys flame out.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 8:07 pm to Farmer1906
Precisely.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 10:37 pm to Farmer1906
Jimbo isn’t paid his fat arse salary to give us a “normal” hit rate. He is paid to go well above that.
I’m sorry but when you give a guy the kind of contract we gave him he has to produce better than the average. A so called QB whisperer and supposed top 5 coach who is given everything he wants from assistant pay to constantly improving facilities that now rival top tier pro teams can’t be putting up the kind of results he’s been giving us. It’s arguable he hasn’t even given us what Harbaugh is giving Michigan and I’m pretty sure most if not all here would say Jimmy has seriously underachieved.
And before any of y’all go but but the #1 class I’ll tell you right now I don’t care. Recruiting wins are nice but results on the field are what matter. He’s failed in that regard so far. His big achievement is an Orange Bowl win against a so so UNC team that had most its star players sitting in a covid year where we somehow got the easiest SEC schedule in the entire time we’ve been in the conference.
If I was grading his time here it would be a C at best.
I’m sorry but when you give a guy the kind of contract we gave him he has to produce better than the average. A so called QB whisperer and supposed top 5 coach who is given everything he wants from assistant pay to constantly improving facilities that now rival top tier pro teams can’t be putting up the kind of results he’s been giving us. It’s arguable he hasn’t even given us what Harbaugh is giving Michigan and I’m pretty sure most if not all here would say Jimmy has seriously underachieved.
And before any of y’all go but but the #1 class I’ll tell you right now I don’t care. Recruiting wins are nice but results on the field are what matter. He’s failed in that regard so far. His big achievement is an Orange Bowl win against a so so UNC team that had most its star players sitting in a covid year where we somehow got the easiest SEC schedule in the entire time we’ve been in the conference.
If I was grading his time here it would be a C at best.
This post was edited on 8/30/22 at 10:41 pm
Posted on 8/30/22 at 11:18 pm to Dr RC
Not sure why you needed go on that little rant. If you don’t know what the bar is then how can you judge someone on that particular aspect?
Posted on 8/30/22 at 11:28 pm to Farmer1906
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If you don’t know what the bar is
I think the bar is 'don't have QB play so bad that it ruins a season'
Georgia, a school you mentioned, doesn't have an issue clearing this bar. Alabama, another school you mentioned, doesn't have an issue clearing this bar.
Jimbo often has an issue clearing this bar.
Posted on 8/31/22 at 7:05 am to NanosTacoRun
Well, as much as I hate to break it to y’all but…… you do realize we aren’t at their level right? The whole plan is to get there, but we aren’t yet.
And “ruins a season” is pretty subjective. I’m starting to be more and more impressed that we went 8-4 with a guy who’s now 3rd string at Auburn.
And I still chuckle everytime I see RC post the “2020 was a fluke” narrative. We played an all sec schedule that year and had to play an extra 2 teams out of the east, which included Florida who was still good at the time. Easier than every other year? I’d argue this past year the west was weak and there for the taking. Bama and auburn at home, weak lsu on the road, mizzou from the east…2021 wasn’t a difficult one, but we had a guy who’s now third string at a different school as our QB.
And “ruins a season” is pretty subjective. I’m starting to be more and more impressed that we went 8-4 with a guy who’s now 3rd string at Auburn.
And I still chuckle everytime I see RC post the “2020 was a fluke” narrative. We played an all sec schedule that year and had to play an extra 2 teams out of the east, which included Florida who was still good at the time. Easier than every other year? I’d argue this past year the west was weak and there for the taking. Bama and auburn at home, weak lsu on the road, mizzou from the east…2021 wasn’t a difficult one, but we had a guy who’s now third string at a different school as our QB.
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