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re: And with that, we’re at war (Sul Ross statue vandalized)
Posted on 6/15/20 at 10:31 pm to International_Aggie
Posted on 6/15/20 at 10:31 pm to International_Aggie
Young is a weird guy, in that he comes from a fundamental conservative Mormon background who appears to have become a liberal academic who had an affair with a former student of his.
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Posted on 6/15/20 at 11:56 pm to Old Sarge
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NASCAR just banned confederate flags.
I have no issue with this move. Why on earth would anyone WANT to wave around that flag?
I’ve never understood the desire to fly that flag. I proudly wave Ol’ Glory, because she represents the freedoms and privileges enshrined in our constitution. The Confederate flag does not.
Posted on 6/16/20 at 2:20 am to International_Aggie
why people want to glorify a losing, traitorous, effort is beyond me
Posted on 6/16/20 at 8:11 am to WestCoastAg
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why people want to glorify a losing, traitorous, effort is beyond me
Amen.
Posted on 6/16/20 at 9:39 am to WestCoastAg
Posted on 6/16/20 at 10:08 am to TbirdSpur2010
Yeah that would be like celebrating the battle of the Alamo. Wait... what did I just say.
Posted on 6/16/20 at 11:36 am to Farmer1906
Texas ultimately defeated Mexico. The Confederacy on the other hand got their shite pushed back in and no longer exists. And why honor your ancestors by flying the rebel flag??? Seems kind of odd to honor them by reminding us that they were part of a huge failure. Everything they fought for no longer exists. They played themselves.
Posted on 6/17/20 at 10:05 am to Farmer1906
Come on, man. The Alamo was a strategic victory for the Texans.
It showed the strength and resolve of the Texans, inflicted damage on the Mexican Army, and bought Houston time to rally.
Heroic last stands only matter if the pave to way for future victory.
It showed the strength and resolve of the Texans, inflicted damage on the Mexican Army, and bought Houston time to rally.
Heroic last stands only matter if the pave to way for future victory.
This post was edited on 6/17/20 at 10:07 am
Posted on 6/17/20 at 11:22 am to Texas Weazel
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Texas ultimately defeated Mexico. The Confederacy on the other hand got their shite pushed back in and no longer exists. And why honor your ancestors by flying the rebel flag??? Seems kind of odd to honor them by reminding us that they were part of a huge failure. Everything they fought for no longer exists. They played themselves.
Can't say it any better than this.
Posted on 6/18/20 at 9:00 am to Old Sarge
quote:Banning things that others like, just because YOU do not like them ... the first small step on the road to authoritarianism.quote:I have no issue with this move. Why on earth would anyone WANT to wave around that flag?
NASCAR just banned confederate flags.
Posted on 6/18/20 at 10:55 am to AggieHank86
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the first small step on the road to authoritarianism.
NASCAR is a private company. They're free to enforce whatever rules they want. If you don't agree or like the rule, then go do business somewhere else. Capitalism is the great racial and social equalizer. A dollar from a transgendered Colombian midget Jew holds the same value as a dollar from a morbidly obese, inbred southern redneck.
Everyone is still allowed to fly whatever flag they want in public or in their own home (unless you have a HOA...those Nazis will get you
).Posted on 6/18/20 at 11:08 am to AggieHank86
is NASCAR not a private company free to make their own decisions about their business?
Posted on 6/18/20 at 11:15 am to Texas Weazel
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A dollar from a transgendered Colombian midget Jew holds the same value as a dollar from a morbidly obese, inbred southern redneck.
Yes, but $1 is the most you will get from a transgendered Columbian midget jew.
You will get millions from obese inbred southern rednecks.
That is not equal.
Posted on 6/18/20 at 1:07 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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You will get millions from obese inbred southern rednecks.
The entire organization actually gets most of their millions from their sponsors. And right now, their sponsors don't want to be associated with the rebel flag.
Capitalism wins.
Posted on 6/18/20 at 1:27 pm to Texas Weazel
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The entire organization actually gets most of their millions from their sponsors. And right now, their sponsors don't want to be associated with the rebel flag.
That doesn't compel the "appeased demographic" to buy from them. Fans vote with their wallets.
Example, I go out of my way not to buy anything from Gillette because of their misandrist ads. I intentionally buy generic.
This post was edited on 6/18/20 at 1:29 pm
Posted on 6/18/20 at 3:16 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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That doesn't compel the "appeased demographic" to buy from them. Fans vote with their wallets.
But it "appeases" the sponsors that make the business viable. Without sponsors, there is no NASCAR. You think Ford, Procter & Gamble, Nationwide, Toyota, FedEx, Coca-Cola, Goodyear, etc. all want to be associated with the Rebel flag? No way. Not in today's environment. NASCAR just got in front of the issue they know they would have to address eventually.
Like I said, capitalism will sort society out. The almighty dollar is the great equalizer.
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Example, I go out of my way not to buy anything from Gillette because of their misandrist ads. I intentionally buy generic.
Just buy an electric shaver and be done with it.
Posted on 6/18/20 at 3:26 pm to Texas Weazel
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Just buy an electric shaver and be done with it.
I have one. Sometimes you just can't get a completely clean shave with just an electric. Often it pushes hairs into the skin that you can only get by using a straight razor against the grain or, worst-case, a pair of tweezers. It's especially apparent when shaving your neck if you have coarse hair.
You don't get much closer of a shave than using a straight razor in the shower, using the steam to loosen your pores.
This post was edited on 6/18/20 at 3:27 pm
Posted on 6/18/20 at 4:50 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
Now I am not and as I get older I realize that I probably never will be a graduate in any form from Texas A&M University. My college degrees did not coincide with my football and sports fandom and my love for the University I always aspired to attend growing up. So I do not believe and I’m not asserting that my thoughts on this matter bear a great deal of weight.
However, I was not aware of the intimate details of Sully’s Confederate war past. I’m gonna be honest and say I find myself wavering on my conviction that his statue and recognition on campus should remain in the form it is in presently.
Flame away, but I’m finding myself swaying towards removing it.
However, I was not aware of the intimate details of Sully’s Confederate war past. I’m gonna be honest and say I find myself wavering on my conviction that his statue and recognition on campus should remain in the form it is in presently.
Flame away, but I’m finding myself swaying towards removing it.
Posted on 6/18/20 at 4:59 pm to Old Sarge
From the site we will not name, here's why the statue was originally pitched in 1898, shortly after Ross died:
Three different papers are cited here: The Battalion, The Predecessor to the Houston Chronicle and the Dallas Morning News.
The Texas Senate approved it 25-0 in 1917 using different reasoning which muddies the waters by highlighting his CSA service.
I wouldn't be opposed to putting a statue of Matthew Gaines directly on the other side of the granite block behind the Ross Statue like this:
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That way, students entering the Academic Building see Ross and students leaving the Academic Building see Gaines.
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Todd, C. C., "Alumni Address," The Battalion, 15 January 1898, pages 20-21. Todd said, in part: "I bear a tribute to the life of General Ross not as a soldier or as a statesman that is left for his companions in war and state, but to his perseverance, kindness, and encouragement to us while students of this institution. To the Alumni of this college he needs no monument of marble, for his image will ever remain fresh within our memories. His was the hand of encouragement extended to us when the dark shadows of failure threatened to envelope us, and despair would fain have taken the place of hope. In him we knew the master firm in requirements yet ever ready to give praise to duty well performed and encouragement to those worthy of it, as such we loved him, and as such we mourn for his loss second only to the loss of a father. Seven years ago he found this college struggling for existence, since thence through his exertions mainly it has risen to its present grandeur and usefulness. During that time he learned to love the institution, to love the students as he was revered by them. During his presidency he gave them advice such as if followed would make them all men among men
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teps are being taken to erect upon the campus a marble statue of the late President Ross. We think that the service that President Ross rendered our college should be recognized in some such way. The Battalion, 1 February 1898, page 17
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The College Monument 287 The joint executive committee representing the Alumni association and the Alpha Phi fraternity of the Agricultural and Mechanical ex-cadets met at the Houston Light Guard armory, elected officers of the committee, decided upon the character of memorial to be erected on the college campus to the memory of General L. S. Ross and formulated plans for raising the funds needed. The executive committee vested with plenary powers consists of W. B. Philpot, College Station chairman, C. C. Todd secretary, F. A. Reichardt, treasurer, T. H. Franklin and H. G. Rhodes. It was unanimously decided that the ex-cadets of the college would erect on the college campus a civilian statue of General Ross to be of heroic size out of Texan marble and mounted on a suitable pedestal. It is desired to raise the necessary funds at once with a view to completing the statue at the earliest possible date in order that the unveiling may take place during the commencement exercises in June next. The L. S. Ross Chapter No. 2 Alpha Phi fraternity made the first contribution of $200 and the students of the corps of cadets expressed a desire to contribute to the erection of the statue and generously offered $300. Appeal to the People of Texas Following close upon the deep and touching manifestations of grief at the death of ex-Governor L. S. Ross there was formed the firm and fixed resolve by his friends and especially by the cadets and alumni of the Agricultural and Mechanical college to erect at the earliest possible day on the college campus a monument to his memory which will give accurate expression to his form and features and serve to worthily perpetuate his memory unto posterity. This resolution was born with no ephemeral impulse but was formed because it was known that Governor Ross was worthy of the honor and that his sincere, faithful, honest and patriotic life and unselfish service deserved such a tribute. Those responsible for the movement are not unmindful of the force of the suggestion that his monument should take the form of a memorial building, and that such design will at no distant day be consummated there is no doubt but the two purposes need to nowise conflict one with the other, for the monument can and will doubtless be so erected that when the further design of the organization of cadets and alumni building the Ross memorial hall and library is consummated it can be so constructed that the monument will stand on the portico thereof. The monument purposed to be erected will need no interpreter but will stand as a testimonial of the love and admiration of thousands for one of the purest, noblest and most heroic spirits that ever loved and served his State and follow men. Those responsible for this movement warmly commend every kindred movement having for its object the rendering of honor to the memory of the noble dead, but the design herein set forth is distinct and separate from every other and contemplates what may be termed the college monument. The monument will be a witness eloquent in its very silence to the faith in and love of him by those who know him best and will stand amid scenes that will be through the coming years associated with his name and where was wrought his last and greatest work and upon soil consecrated by his tread along the path of duty nobly and unselfishly discharged. There will be no lagging in the prosecution of the purpose to erect such a monument as shall be worthy as far as is possible of him whose memory it will enshrine. Earnest and loving hearts are enlisted in the movement and aid is asked of every Texan who admires courage, integrity, fidelity, manliness and patriotism and who holds in reverence the memory of an unpretentious but heroic soul of Texas who served her faithfully in war and in peace. The value of such a monument as it is proposed to erect can not be measured in money but it will exert an influence upon those now living and upon generations yet to come that will be felt in times beyond those in which such monument will endure. Those who will look upon it and contemplate the noble life and lofty character of Lawrence Sullivan Ross will feed on him in their minds and hearts and grow strong and brave in noble and exalted purpose 288 and endeavor in honoring his memory. Texans will do honor to themselves for unto her bosom Texas hath folded no nobler or worthier son. W. B. Philpot, C. C. Todd, T. H. Franklin, F. A. Reichardt, H. G. Rhodes, Executive Committee. Houston Daily Post, 14 February 1898, page 6
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From a Colored Man. Austin, Tex., Feb. 17 (To The News) Inclosed find the sum of $1, which you will add to the Ross monument fund. The amount is small, but I hope it will do some good. If every true and loyal Texan would do as much as we would be able to erect a monument that would be a credit to the name of our proud state and do honor to so grand a man as Gov. Ross. Hoping the monument will meet with great success, I remain a true Texan, and believe in giving honor to whom honor is due. Lewis M. Mitchell (colored). Dallas Morning News, 19 February 1898, page 6
Three different papers are cited here: The Battalion, The Predecessor to the Houston Chronicle and the Dallas Morning News.
The Texas Senate approved it 25-0 in 1917 using different reasoning which muddies the waters by highlighting his CSA service.
I wouldn't be opposed to putting a statue of Matthew Gaines directly on the other side of the granite block behind the Ross Statue like this:
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That way, students entering the Academic Building see Ross and students leaving the Academic Building see Gaines.
This post was edited on 6/18/20 at 5:04 pm
Posted on 6/18/20 at 9:47 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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