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Posted on 7/23/20 at 9:41 pm
Posted on 7/23/20 at 9:41 pm
With Oregon getting a couple recruits there every year for the past three years, I was curious about the lay of the land. My knowledge of Alabama high schools football is Hoover High School.
I know the South produces a lot of football players. However, it’s just mind numbing when you compare Oregon vs Alabama. Oregon has a population of 4.2 million people and Alabama 4.9 million. Oregon has 10 players with a composite score in the 247 database. I stopped counting after 60 for Alabama.
Today Christian Burkhalter from Spanish Fort committed to Oregon. He’s 6’5” 230 kid that moves really well and Nebraska, Oregon, Virginia and UCLA recruited him. So, no one in the SEC is heavily pursuing him.
Anyway, it’s impressive. I was curious about the following:
What are the best leagues?
Pipeline schools?
Any dominant style of play?
Any other notable characteristics?
After doing some digging, it’s really apparent that PAC 12 schools have to recruit nationally to stay relevant.
I know the South produces a lot of football players. However, it’s just mind numbing when you compare Oregon vs Alabama. Oregon has a population of 4.2 million people and Alabama 4.9 million. Oregon has 10 players with a composite score in the 247 database. I stopped counting after 60 for Alabama.
Today Christian Burkhalter from Spanish Fort committed to Oregon. He’s 6’5” 230 kid that moves really well and Nebraska, Oregon, Virginia and UCLA recruited him. So, no one in the SEC is heavily pursuing him.
Anyway, it’s impressive. I was curious about the following:
What are the best leagues?
Pipeline schools?
Any dominant style of play?
Any other notable characteristics?
After doing some digging, it’s really apparent that PAC 12 schools have to recruit nationally to stay relevant.
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Posted on 7/23/20 at 11:01 pm to bisonduck
Barbour County High.
Best of the best.
Google it.
Best of the best.
Google it.
Posted on 7/23/20 at 11:28 pm to bisonduck
Oregon gets a lot of recruits out of California. I counted and I don't remember the length of time but it was at 130 recruits. So they depend on California a lot which makes sense that they border it.
Posted on 7/23/20 at 11:33 pm to bisonduck
From a talent standpoint, 7A Region 3 is the best league. 3 College feeder schools( Hoover, Thompson, Hewitt-Trussville) are in that region. Central-Phenix City, Pinson Valley, Carver, and St.Paul are some of the other top college feeder schools.
Just the overall dedication to the sport is probably the biggest difference. Probably a lot more parents get their kids involved in youth football here compared to Oregon. That is where it starts.
Just the overall dedication to the sport is probably the biggest difference. Probably a lot more parents get their kids involved in youth football here compared to Oregon. That is where it starts.
Posted on 7/24/20 at 3:23 am to bisonduck
Oregon might have 4.2 million people, but the percentage of those with fast twitch muscle is far less than any state in the South.
Closest place for the Ducks to recruit some fast twitchy kids is California.
Closest place for the Ducks to recruit some fast twitchy kids is California.
Posted on 7/24/20 at 3:38 am to dchog
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Oregon gets a lot of recruits out of California. I counted and I don't remember the length of time but it was at 130 recruits. So they depend on California a lot which makes sense that they border it.
Oregon got their dline recruits last cycle from Georgia, NC, Alabama and one from California . Shipley (85 composite) was the lone Californian and he visited UW, Oregon and ASU (top 3 recruiters on the West last cycle) in June and committed to Oregon. If you look at Washington’s classes they’re totally unbalanced. They tripped Shipley and a kid from Idaho that went to Utah last cycle and signed no interior DL. They loaded up the year before and have to this cycle.
It was totally barren of DL/OL. Remember too that the entire PAC lives on California.
Posted on 7/24/20 at 3:43 am to LSUFreek
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Oregon might have 4.2 million people, but the percentage of those with fast twitch muscle is far less than any state in the South.
Closest place for the Ducks to recruit some fast twitchy kids is California.
We are always going to go to California for the bulk of our recruiting. The blue chip kids that come to Oregon are mostly Californians. Also, Arizona is very up and coming.
That being said, it’s not twitchy players so much as OL/DL. You can’t balance your classes and manage a roster effectively without supplementing.
This post was edited on 7/24/20 at 3:48 am
Posted on 7/24/20 at 11:47 am to bisonduck
Alabama high school football produces a lot of future NFL players. You will see them all over Power 5. Most tend to be late developers at small schools, but still future NFL caliber.
Saban and staff tends to sign anywhere from 6-12 in-state kids in a given class. I often wish they would take a chance a couple more at times. But hard to argue with his recruiting approach.
Looking back, Alabama had something like 20 of 22 starters on the 1992 national title team from the state of Alabama. Even Saban’s first full class at Alabama had 19 from in-state. But you just can’t do that these days. A national approach keeps programs at the top.
Saban and staff tends to sign anywhere from 6-12 in-state kids in a given class. I often wish they would take a chance a couple more at times. But hard to argue with his recruiting approach.
Looking back, Alabama had something like 20 of 22 starters on the 1992 national title team from the state of Alabama. Even Saban’s first full class at Alabama had 19 from in-state. But you just can’t do that these days. A national approach keeps programs at the top.
Posted on 7/27/20 at 9:13 pm to bisonduck
Mobile has produced some talent-
DJ Fluker went to McGilll
AJ McCarron, Mark Baron, and Jake Coker all went to St Paul’s
Julio Jones was from Baldwin county
Cj Mosley is from Mobile, but i can’t remember his school.
I know St Pauls had some kids sign at Auburn the last couple of years.
DJ Fluker went to McGilll
AJ McCarron, Mark Baron, and Jake Coker all went to St Paul’s
Julio Jones was from Baldwin county
Cj Mosley is from Mobile, but i can’t remember his school.
I know St Pauls had some kids sign at Auburn the last couple of years.
Posted on 7/27/20 at 9:31 pm to Kk74
CJ Mosley is from Theodore.
Posted on 7/27/20 at 9:38 pm to bisonduck
I did some incredibly scientific and detailed research on the reason Alabama has so many more athletes than Oregon. The answer was so shocking I could barely believe it in 2020. DEMOGRAPHICS seems to be the deciding factor. Shocked. Shocked I tell you.
Posted on 7/28/20 at 9:20 am to bisonduck
The bay area produces more NFL players per capita than nearly anywhere else in the country. Haven't looked for last year, but two years ago Mobile by itself was in the top 10 total without regards to population and as many NFL players came from there as new orleans.
The state produces elite linebackers every year, moreso than just about anywhere else in the southeast when adjusting for population. Offensive and defensive linemen grow on trees here. I'd put the consistent high end skill guys behind a state like louisiana, but Bama typically produces better front 7 players (not to say that there aren't great players from the other state in both categories, just not in the same numbers)
Every now and then there's an elite QB from Alabama. Jamarcus Russell, Brodie Croyle, Tyler Watts, Jameis Winston, Pat White were all highly sought after recruits.
As far as feeder areas:
Best players in the state come from the following in order IMO
Mobile county
Jefferson county (birmingham)
Baldwin County (eastern shore)
Montgomery county
Madison County (huntsville)
The state produces elite linebackers every year, moreso than just about anywhere else in the southeast when adjusting for population. Offensive and defensive linemen grow on trees here. I'd put the consistent high end skill guys behind a state like louisiana, but Bama typically produces better front 7 players (not to say that there aren't great players from the other state in both categories, just not in the same numbers)
Every now and then there's an elite QB from Alabama. Jamarcus Russell, Brodie Croyle, Tyler Watts, Jameis Winston, Pat White were all highly sought after recruits.
As far as feeder areas:
Best players in the state come from the following in order IMO
Mobile county
Jefferson county (birmingham)
Baldwin County (eastern shore)
Montgomery county
Madison County (huntsville)
Posted on 7/28/20 at 11:26 am to Riseupfromtherubble
Eastern shore lol. I can't even remember the last time a fairhope, daphne or SF kid, outside of the two convicted of rape in high school, went to legit D1 programs. Maybe pat white. Jones, fluker and the third kid off that team all went to Foley. They have some good kids but I sure wouldn't put them on that list.
This post was edited on 7/28/20 at 11:28 am
Posted on 7/28/20 at 11:36 am to artompkins
I did forget Ryan Anderson but still...
Posted on 7/28/20 at 12:20 pm to artompkins
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Anderson and McGaster were teammates on Daphne's 2010 state-championship team. So were Eric Lee, Michael Pierce and T.J. Yeldon - players who already were on NFL rosters.
Spanish Fort has been one of the better programs in the state in the last 5 years. Daphne still turns out good players, and even Fairhope/Foley have D1 caliber players every now and then
Posted on 8/2/20 at 9:43 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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The bay area produces more NFL players per capita than nearly anywhere else in the country
I highly doubt this.
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Mobile by itself was in the top 10 total without regards to population and as many NFL players came from there as new orleans
LINK
Complete horseshite.Miami, FL
25
Las Vegas, NV
11
Houston, TX
17
New Orleans, LA
11
Fort Lauderdale, FL
15
Tampa, FL
11
Cincinnati, OH
14
Birmingham, AL
10
Pittsburgh, PA
12
Dallas, TX
10
Washington, DC
12
Detroit, MI
10
Cleveland, OH
11
Los Angeles, CA
10
ETA and it wasn't the case 2 years ago.
This post was edited on 8/2/20 at 9:47 pm
Posted on 8/4/20 at 1:20 pm to RD Dawg
LINK
I'm not going to dig for the old article, but here's a list with 9 guys from Mobile that were in the league two years ago (23 since 2000) from a city with 189,000 people.
You can horseshite all you want, Mobile is an elite producer of NFL talent. That's a city half the size of New Orleans and not including the guys from right across the bay bridge
I'm not going to dig for the old article, but here's a list with 9 guys from Mobile that were in the league two years ago (23 since 2000) from a city with 189,000 people.
You can horseshite all you want, Mobile is an elite producer of NFL talent. That's a city half the size of New Orleans and not including the guys from right across the bay bridge
This post was edited on 8/4/20 at 1:23 pm
Posted on 8/4/20 at 1:51 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
Mobile
Mark Barron St Paul’s
AJ McCarron St Paul’s
Rodney Hudson B C Rain
CJ Mosley Theodore
LaMical Perine Theodore
Jimmy Ward Davidson
Jaquiski Tartt Davidson
Taylor Stallworth Murphy
Ito Smith McGill
Baldwin County across the bay
Ryan Anderson Daphne
TJ Yeldon Daphne
Michael Pierce Daphne
Julio Foley
D.J. Fluker Katrina kid McGill-Foley
Mark Barron St Paul’s
AJ McCarron St Paul’s
Rodney Hudson B C Rain
CJ Mosley Theodore
LaMical Perine Theodore
Jimmy Ward Davidson
Jaquiski Tartt Davidson
Taylor Stallworth Murphy
Ito Smith McGill
Baldwin County across the bay
Ryan Anderson Daphne
TJ Yeldon Daphne
Michael Pierce Daphne
Julio Foley
D.J. Fluker Katrina kid McGill-Foley
Posted on 8/4/20 at 2:01 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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You can horseshite all you want, Mobile is an elite producer of NFL talent. That's a city half the size of New Orleans and not including the guys from right across the bay bridge
This is what you said:
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Mobile by itself was in the top 10 total without regards to population
Which clearly isn't the case.
Fort Lauderdale is the same size and currently has 15 NFL players.
Sounds like it does well per capita.
Posted on 8/4/20 at 9:19 pm to RD Dawg
I believe the stat was Mobile and Pensacola together produce the most NFL players per capita. Nonetheless, Mobile produces playas.
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