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re: 2013 Alabama Football Recruiting Thread - DH Decommited from UGA
Posted on 3/14/12 at 12:02 pm to MagillaGuerilla
Posted on 3/14/12 at 12:02 pm to MagillaGuerilla
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Four-star wide receiver Ahmad Fulwood of Jacksonville (Fla.) Bishop Kenny High visited Florida a couple of weeks ago, and word is that the Gators are now the team to beat at this point. Fulwood apparently gave some thought to pulling the trigger for UF, but held off. Clemson, which hosted Fulwood for a Junior Day just as Alabama did, remains a strong player in this race as well. Fulwood enjoyed his trip to Alabama last month, but it appears the Crimson Tide staff still has its work cut out for it if it hopes to land the 6-foot-4, 200-pound phenom. An early commitment figures to go Florida's way, so the longer this recruitment drags out, the better off Alabama is. Hosting a still-uncommitted Fulwood for a big game this fall is where Alabama wants to be with him.
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Posted on 3/14/12 at 12:13 pm to MagillaGuerilla
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Recruiting Corner:
*Ken Santa Marina very high on Bama
*Other targets at OT are Colin McGovern and Dorian Johnson
*Expect to take close to a full class
*Bama is shooting for 2 QBs
*Source still claims Liner isn't solid
*Source says Auburn is worried about a potential flip
*Every time Nkemdiche comes on campus, he acts like a commitment
*Staff loves Miami LB Matthew Thomas
*Reggie Chevis is close to earning a Bama offer
Bama is at a very interesting crossroads. They lost a huge senior class (for Bama, 17 seniors). This year Bama has just 9 scholarship seniors. They have only three juniors likely to leave early.
The talent available seems like it could peak this year. The tension and publicity associated with managing the roster numbers has never been higher. Bama may well have to ask a number of juniors not to return in order to get to 85.
Posted on 3/14/12 at 12:22 pm to jddawg58
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Bama may well have to ask a number of juniors not to return in order to get to 85
I don't anticipate it being an issue. We're right around 85 or 86 right now (not counting Carswell or Bowman). We typically have around 5 or 6 transfers/medicals/dismissals between spring practice and fall camp. So, I see us only carrying around 80 scholarship players next season thanks in large part to the fact that we were limited to signing 26 this past year.
9 seniors + 5 (due to being at 80) + 4 juniors going pro = 18 spots. We'll oversign by about 6 like we did this year and have a couple guys slated to greyshirt in case we don't get the anticipated amount of attrition.
That's how I expect us to wind up with a class around 24 or 25.
Posted on 3/14/12 at 12:37 pm to sarc
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Bama may well have to ask a number of juniors not to return in order to get to 85
I don't anticipate it being an issue. We're right around 85 or 86 right now (not counting Carswell or Bowman). We typically have around 5 or 6 transfers/medicals/dismissals between spring practice and fall camp. So, I see us only carrying around 80 scholarship players next season thanks in large part to the fact that we were limited to signing 26 this past year.
9 seniors + 5 (due to being at 80) + 4 juniors going pro = 18 spots. We'll oversign by about 6 like we did this year and have a couple guys slated to greyshirt in case we don't get the anticipated amount of attrition.
That's how I expect us to wind up with a class around 24 or 25.
By my count Bama is presently at 86. At no time in last five years has Saban had a season with less than 84 on the roster. I think the management must come after next spring.
Bama will have enough leave to get their EEs in but will have to have a big reduction after the spring. Next spring will become a defacto tryout for upperclassmen.
Posted on 3/14/12 at 1:11 pm to MagillaGuerilla
...... but BuccWilder said Bama is in the drivers seat. 
Posted on 3/14/12 at 1:17 pm to jddawg58
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At no time in last five years has Saban had a season with less than 84 on the roster
That's because at no point in the last 5 years was he as limited on NSD as he was this year. If it weren't for the new 25 signing rule, we would've oversigned by ~10 this year instead of 6. With offseason attrition, that would've allowed us to carry 85 into the season. Since we couldn't oversign as much as normal, we will be around 80 heading into fall if we have a few transfers/dismissals/medicals/non-qualifiers.
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Next spring will become a defacto tryout for upperclassmen.
No more than it was last spring.
This post was edited on 3/14/12 at 1:18 pm
Posted on 3/14/12 at 2:35 pm to sarc
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At no time in last five years has Saban had a season with less than 84 on the roster
That's because at no point in the last 5 years was he as limited on NSD as he was this year. If it weren't for the new 25 signing rule, we would've oversigned by ~10 this year instead of 6. With offseason attrition, that would've allowed us to carry 85 into the season. Since we couldn't oversign as much as normal, we will be around 80 heading into fall if we have a few transfers/dismissals/medicals/non-qualifiers.
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Next spring will become a defacto tryout for upperclassmen.
No more than it was last spring.
Only real change in the signing rules was that they no longer allow greyshirts to sign a LOI until they enter class, #s reduced from 28 to 25, and if you sign a LOI it counts even if you don't qualify academically. You have always been limited to bringing in no more than 25 in an individual class.
In summary you used to sign and place and sign and greyshirt, can't do that anymore. Anyone who signs counts. Bama only brings in 25 regardless of the rules but this year's attrition will have to be far higher than last year's.
Saban is never going to have less than 84-85 on the roster.
Posted on 3/14/12 at 2:59 pm to gatordmb89
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but BuccWilder said Bama is in the drivers seat.
I'm still holding out hope. We have had nothing but recruiting misses, busts, and academic casualties in searching for the "next Julio". We really need a big-bodied WR for A.J.
Posted on 3/14/12 at 3:03 pm to CapstoneGrad06
JUCO ranks have some guys with nice size
Posted on 3/14/12 at 3:41 pm to jddawg58
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this year's attrition will have to be far higher than last year's
Don't know why you think that. Last year we had 8 seniors and 4 juniors go pro and still brought in 24 new players (22 new signees + 2 greyshirts). This year we have 9 seniors. So if we have 3 juniors go pro and sign 24, the numbers will be exactly the same as they were last year.
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Saban is never going to have less than 84-85 on the roster
Like I said, this was true as long as he could sign as many players as he wanted. We are currently at 86, and there is still 5 months til fall camp. There is at least 1 player who's future is in doubt due to medical issues, 1 player who's status on the team is in doubt, at least 1 signee who's a questionable qualifier. And like I said, we typically have several who transfer during the summer because they want to go somewhere they can get PT. CNS was able to account for this in the past by oversigning by 10-12. This year we had a large senior class combined with the new 25 signing limit which prevented us from oversigning by that margin. This year is different and we will likely be <85 which means we will just give some walk-ons scholarships.
Ideally, you want to be at 85. But it's not a big deal at all to be at 80 because 5 non-contributing players transferred. And the upside of it is that it opens up more spots for the 2013 class.
This post was edited on 3/14/12 at 3:45 pm
Posted on 3/14/12 at 3:43 pm to sarc
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Don't know why you think that. Last year we had 8 seniors and 4 juniors go pro and still brought in 24 new players (22 new signees + 2 greyshirts). This year we have 9 seniors. So if we have 3 juniors go pro and sign 24, the numbers will be exactly the same as they were last year.
We had 17 seniors last year along with three juniors leaving early (Dont'a never applied for a redshirt). End of story.
Posted on 3/14/12 at 3:47 pm to CapstoneGrad06
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We had 17 seniors last year along with three juniors leaving early (Dont'a never applied for a redshirt). End of story
I'm talking about the number of seniors going into NSD of last year, i.e. the 2010 seniors.
Posted on 3/14/12 at 3:49 pm to sarc
What would be the point of arguing about the seniors impacting the 2011 class (those from the '10 team), relative to those impacting the 2013 class (those from the '12 team)? Isn't this about how the numbers will be managed for this fall?
Posted on 3/14/12 at 3:55 pm to CapstoneGrad06
I was responding to this comment:
I assume that by "last year's" attrition he is talking about summer/fall 2011. And I assume that by "this year's" attrition he is actually talking about summer/fall 2013 because 2013 is when he was previously claiming that spring practice would serve as tryouts for upperclassmen.
And FTR, Hightower was redshirted in '09.
dont'a bio
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Bama only brings in 25 regardless of the rules but this year's attrition will have to be far higher than last year's.
I assume that by "last year's" attrition he is talking about summer/fall 2011. And I assume that by "this year's" attrition he is actually talking about summer/fall 2013 because 2013 is when he was previously claiming that spring practice would serve as tryouts for upperclassmen.
And FTR, Hightower was redshirted in '09.
dont'a bio
Posted on 3/14/12 at 3:58 pm to NATidefan
Update, from 247, in the Auburn Recruiting Thread for anyone interested.
Posted on 3/14/12 at 3:59 pm to sarc
Medical redshirts aren't applied until the athlete actually comes back for the fifth year. Dont'a Hightower walked on Senior Day. He had no intentions of coming back, though he could have. He was in essence a senior for the 2011 season.
Posted on 3/14/12 at 4:00 pm to TTsTowel
You had to run over here to talk about Dee Liner?
Posted on 3/14/12 at 4:02 pm to CapstoneGrad06
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2013 Alabama Football Recruiting
What would be the point of arguing about the seniors impacting the 2011 class (those from the '10 team), relative to those impacting the 2013 class (those from the '12 team)? Isn't this about how the numbers will be managed for this fall?
You and I are in agreement. That was my point. Bama lost 17 seniors this past year and will lose 9 seniors this year. I only expect that three or less juniors will enter the draft. Unless Bama loses some players that means it can give only 12 scholarships.
I believe Bama will sign 25 or close to it because it is shaping up to be a phenomenal class. Saban is going to catch a lot of heat and there is going to be a lot of ammunition for the oversigning advocates (four year scholarships, Philon and Taylor grayshirt critics) to beat the drum against Bama. Saban needs to give some thought to how he manages his numbers from a public relations standpoint. He seems to have an incredible recruiting run going, and I would like to see it continue.
How Bama manages the numbers does matter, in spite of what some fans think.
This post was edited on 3/14/12 at 4:04 pm
Posted on 3/14/12 at 4:03 pm to CapstoneGrad06
I think we're arguing over semantics. While I suppose it's true that he was technically a senior, every official and unofficial roster, TV broadcaster, etc...listed him as a junior.
Posted on 3/14/12 at 4:04 pm to CapstoneGrad06
No, I'm pretty sure some Alabama fans would like to read about it since he is so far up Bama's board. News is news. I'd expect an Alabama fan to do the same if news was found out on their end.
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